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carpediem4570
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Re: Blaser vs. all the rest [Re: 500grains]
      #156964 - 20/03/10 07:44 AM

Of course; and here my mind was racing through the gutter trying to figure out all the unsavoury responses.

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Re: Blaser vs. all the rest [Re: 500Bo]
      #156980 - 20/03/10 12:12 PM

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Okay guys, I have another angle; let's say that I find a really good deal on a double, it's right handed but has a stock without a cheek rest. I've used side by side shotguns all my life and was never bothered by the trigger configuration being set-up for a right handed person. Is this really a "big deal" or is it something I can deal with. I'd be curious if there are some lefty's out there that have some experience with this.

I mean, I watch Craig Boddington use right handed bolt action rifles all the time as awkward as it is watching him work the action, I've done the same thing using my father's rifles before buying my own left handed rifles. I would bet he has used right handed doubles on safari many times over the years.

Any thoughts?



I'm a lefty, and the problem with right hand DR's, is most will be "cast" for a right handed person. Bolt guns have straight stocks, so that's why Boddington can use them so easily...

DR

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Re: Blaser vs. all the rest [Re: DM]
      #157031 - 21/03/10 07:40 AM

Im not a Blaser fan either.

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Re: Blaser vs. all the rest [Re: Grenadier]
      #157072 - 22/03/10 12:25 AM

I read this thread and I was really surprised by what was said by the poster who said he had a couple of Blaser S2s and "broke both of them." I have a Blaser .470 and I have to say that I really like the gun and can't really understand how you could "break" one. It regulated perfectly with 500 grain Woodleighs and 100 grains of IMR4831 or a Kynoch wad and 87 grains of Reloder 15, is very, very accurate and they are hell for stout. In fact, S2s are noted for their accuracy and their ease of regulation. It is a Luxus grade gun and it has a superb piece of wood on it.

When the R93 first came out, many of the traditional Mauser bolt crowd promptly rejected them. However, if you have ever shot one you soon realize that they may be the finest takedown rifle ever produced. The S2 is not a "traditional" double and when it came out, it was similarly rejected by those who insist on a "proper" English double. I just don't have that prejudice. I buy what works and trust me, the S2 works. I have a friend who has had a number of doubles and had some pretty significant issues with a Heym .500 NE. He shoots my S2 and likes it much better than his Heym.

There is one criticism of the S2 that is indeed correct. They don't handle as well as some of the other doubles. A really good English gun has the correct barrel contour in each caliber to help the gun balance. Blaser puts pretty heavy barrels on the .470 and .500 and aims to get the gun to balance by adding weight to the stock. That is not the best solution and makes them seem a little "clubby." On the other hand, some of the other continental makers like Merkel and Krieghoff use one barrel contour for all their guns with the consequence that the .375 is too heavy and the .470 and .500 are too light. Despite what John Taylor says, you'll will understand when you touch off a .500 NE in a 10.5 pound Merkel!

Just my two cents but I love my S2 and I think it is a joy to shoot.

Dave

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Re: Blaser vs. all the rest [Re: dbush2508]
      #157119 - 22/03/10 02:08 PM

Well, dbush2508, it was like this. I didn't break the damn things, they broke themselves. The 500/416 broke the forearm after two shots. Then the right barrel would only feed WR (not Westley Richards) ammo because its rims are thinner (not SAAMI spec). WR ammo is very expensive and very unavailable. Blaser USA said they measured the rim depth and it worked with their ammo, not American ammo. I sent it back to the dealer in trade for a 470. Then the 470 broke the stock at the wrist after we corrected the slight crossing problem of 6 inches at 50 yards. The crossing problem took $400 to correct. Laser regulating doesn't work. The barrels had never been on the action of the 470 and had to be gunsmithed to fit.

The Blaser handles like a piece of iron strapped to a 2x4. Even the Merkel feels better. The idea of cocking via the "safety" was interesting; plus it only took about 20-25 lb of pressure to operate.

I wouldn't trust it to hunt rabbits, to say nothing of Cape Buffalo (one which is hanging on my wall with two 458 Lott holes repaired.)

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Re: Blaser vs. all the rest [Re: poprivit]
      #157161 - 22/03/10 11:52 PM

Poprivit:

I can't respond to your comments with respect to your Blaser .500/.416. Although I have a .500/.416, it is a Krieghoff. I have had zero problems with it and love the caliber. In that gun, I have been shooting both Bell and Jamison brass.

With respect to your Blaser .470, I would like to gently suggest to you that your crossing problem was because of your loads or your ammo, not the gun. Blaser 470s are regulated with Wolfgang Romney ammunition. As near as I can tell, that ammunition falls perfectly within the Kynoch window and not the new, faster 2150 fps out of a a 24 inch barrel standard. Kyonch ammo runs 2125 but that is out of a 31 inch barrel. That ammo will regulate closer to 2000-2050 fps out of a 25 inch barrel which is right where most vintage guns regulate. My .470 would not regulate with Hornady ammunition. It was just too fast. When I slowed it down and found the right loads, I found that it shoots like gangbusters. I have had no issues with the wood.

As I indicated, I like my gun and I am sorry that you had such a bad experience with your S2.

Good luck and good hunting.

Dave

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Re: Blaser vs. all the rest [Re: dbush2508]
      #157198 - 23/03/10 04:57 PM

Blaser vs others always creates interestring comments. Plenty of threads in the past. I have owned a Blaser S2 Safari in 470 NE for a while now. Never used factory ammo in it but reload my own. I suppose I have only fired around 120 shots in it so far. I found it very easy to regulate and it is very accurate. No trouble at all and spot on at 100 metres. Nothing broken yet but I suppose that can happen to any rifle. I have shot a few scrub bulls and pigs with it so far and doubt it will ever see DG. Safe to use solids in it.

It is not a British rifle and never will be. It is different. I like the one I have and will continue using it. Great rifle.

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Re: Blaser vs. all the rest [Re: 500grains]
      #158070 - 02/04/10 08:05 AM

IMHO:

If I were to actually BUY a double (instead of building it) I think a man could not go wrong with a Merkel in 470NE or 500NE. Love them, strong, reliable, safe.

If I had more money than the US Gub-mint and Curl put together , I'd get a Heym Jumbo .577NE or 600NE. Possibly a Searcy in 700NE. If for pure Macho reasons a Ken Owens 4 bore.

Of course these are Hunt'n guns, not show pieces.

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Re: Blaser vs. all the rest [Re: 500grains]
      #159356 - 23/04/10 06:55 AM

VC will build you a lefty PH for about $11,500. This includes left handed stock and the left trigger being in front firing the left barrel. Pretty sure a VC will be my next double, either a 375 H&H or 450/400.

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Re: Blaser vs. all the rest [Re: Snowwolfe]
      #159384 - 24/04/10 04:11 AM

Ken with KEBCO returns from Africa next week. I'm placing my order for a .500 Verney-Carron when he gets back to the office, probably Wednesday.

For those curious, the following is how the pricing breaks down;

Basic "PH" Model = $11,000
Fully left handed version = $1,400
Cheek rest = $190

Total for fully left handed model = $12,590

I checked with other makers and this is what I was quoted;

Searcy = $18,000
Heym = $17,000
Krieghoff = $12,695 (left stock only)

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Re: Blaser vs. all the rest [Re: 500Bo]
      #159627 - 28/04/10 08:40 AM

500Bo

I believe you have made a wise choice for a modern double.

Ken is back in town. My bespoke V-C .500 which I ordered last September will be shipped in 2 weeks.

A few weeks ago I ordered from Ken a bespoke V-C .577.

You are a couple hours south of me. Perhaps you and Curl and I can get together to shoot. I look forward to meeting you.

Don

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Re: Blaser vs. all the rest [Re: 500grains]
      #159643 - 28/04/10 06:59 PM

I went through a rough patch recently so I can appreciate.

I own two Blaser rifles (an R93 and a LRS-2) and am considering a K95...but no way would I get an S2. The hood over the chambers, the way the cocking system works (it's far better on the bolt guns), the problems that have been reported, and the idea that it's set up for ammo that's not available here killed it for me. There are some folks that seem to like them (just go to Blaserpro.com) but nothing about them inspired me to consider one. If you want a combi-cocker, I'd get the Krieghoff. Otherwise I'd go Merkel, VC or Heym, depending on your taste and wallet. I've been speaking with Merkel (about a drilling) and they seem decent to deal with.

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