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farshot
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New Federal Ammo - .470 specifically - with new bullets
      #152870 - 05/02/10 02:11 AM

I have my Merkel .470 that was regulated with the 500 gr Woodleigh bullets. I see now that Federal has discontinued those and put out the Barnes, and I beleive Bearclaw and Swift instead.

Has anyone tried (or heard from Federal) how any of these new factory loads regulate / compare with the old "standard".?

Sure I reload, but I always bring the factory loads when I hunt.

I would be upset if they are vastly different.

I do find it interesting that Barnes is now a factory load for doubles given the constant discussion about damage from monometal bullets.

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Re: New Federal Ammo - .470 specifically - with new bullets [Re: farshot]
      #152876 - 05/02/10 03:12 AM

Kynoch offers Woodleigh bullets and are priced in the range of Federal.

I'd like to know how Federal's sales are faring in light of Hornady's offering. Based on Midway's pricing it looks like Federal has lowered their price on the Swift and Barnes offerings in 470. I'm surprised they are dropping the Woodleighs as many won't shoot Barnes or Swifts.

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Re: New Federal Ammo - .470 specifically - with new bullets [Re: 470evans]
      #152896 - 05/02/10 08:54 AM


I have heard from quite a lot of .470 owners that had guns that were regulated with the Federal Woodleigh loads that switched over to the new Hornady DGX factory loads and saw no change in regulation. That is no surprise, as they would taylor their new factory ammo to regulate in a similar fashion as to what most people were shooting in the past (Fed / Woodies). The Hornady ammo is also more consistent as far as velocity is concerned - and a lot cheaper. In my .470 it doesn't make a difference what I shoot at what speed, by the way - slower calibers like the .470 are not as finicky in regards to regulation anyhow. But I'd go with the Hornaday, the Federal holds no advantage and is overpriced.

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Re: New Federal Ammo - .470 specifically - with new bullets [Re: 404bearslayer]
      #154318 - 21/02/10 07:50 AM

404

That's encouraging news particularly as the Federal 470 ammo costs about $244 per box and $134 for the Hornady DGX.

farshot, I have the same (or similar) rifle as you. You wouldn't happen to be in Edmonton, would you? I need to pick up a box of ammo on my way back North but I think that I may be hooped due to WSS closing time on Sunday.

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Re: New Federal Ammo - .470 specifically - with new bullets [Re: 470evans]
      #154320 - 21/02/10 08:05 AM

Quote:

Kynoch offers Woodleigh bullets and are priced in the range of Federal.

I'd like to know how Federal's sales are faring in light of Hornady's offering. Based on Midway's pricing it looks like Federal has lowered their price on the Swift and Barnes offerings in 470. I'm surprised they are dropping the Woodleighs as many won't shoot Barnes or Swifts.




I wouldn't shoot Barnes or Swift's in my DR's.

Not sure why they would change, anyone got any ideas ?

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Re: New Federal Ammo - .470 specifically - with new bullets [Re: 500Nitro]
      #154375 - 22/02/10 02:46 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Kynoch offers Woodleigh bullets and are priced in the range of Federal.

I'd like to know how Federal's sales are faring in light of Hornady's offering. Based on Midway's pricing it looks like Federal has lowered their price on the Swift and Barnes offerings in 470. I'm surprised they are dropping the Woodleighs as many won't shoot Barnes or Swifts.




I wouldn't shoot Barnes or Swift's in my DR's.

Not sure why they would change, anyone got any ideas ?



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No proof, but if this is like anything else, some "marketing genius" made a move before doing the research..now they are stuck with inventory and a product that will not be as desirable by the masses as the previous product. Competition makes companies do crazy things, and sometimes, IMHO, the wrong things..

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Re: New Federal Ammo - .470 specifically - with new bullets [Re: 500Nitro]
      #154377 - 22/02/10 02:48 AM

Quote:

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Kynoch offers Woodleigh bullets and are priced in the range of Federal.

I'd like to know how Federal's sales are faring in light of Hornady's offering. Based on Midway's pricing it looks like Federal has lowered their price on the Swift and Barnes offerings in 470. I'm surprised they are dropping the Woodleighs as many won't shoot Barnes or Swifts.




I wouldn't shoot Barnes or Swift's in my DR's.

Not sure why they would change, anyone got any ideas ?



Neither would I.

Do they have any disclaimers on the new boxes?

Will be interesting to see the results in a year or so.

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Re: New Federal Ammo - .470 specifically - with new bullets [Re: NitroX]
      #154399 - 22/02/10 05:50 AM

my merkel was regulated for the 470 sledge hammer now thats a bronze bullet,hum,i guess thats why i have stouter barrels and i will use Barnes the new guns are more versatile i guess at the shot show 2009 i asked every gun maker about the "BARNES" STIGMA they all said wont be a problem all with not an exception.but here in the US we cant get woodleighs on a regular basis try to find a 450 400 bullet not going to happen .Federal priced themselves out of the market there is no way 20 shells should go for 20$ a round, i guess they feel you have to be rich to have the gun so shell out the money.Hornaday is a hot company now and will chew up its competion.

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Re: New Federal Ammo - .470 specifically - with new bullets [Re: bwananelson]
      #154416 - 22/02/10 09:11 AM

Bwana, I hope you are right, why can't Hornady load Woodleighs though ? best, Mike

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Re: New Federal Ammo - .470 specifically - with new bullets [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #154420 - 22/02/10 10:14 AM

BwanaNelson,

my .470 was regulated with TBBC and TB Sledgehammer as well.

I have good news for you:

Today I have actually field-tested a load with Hornady DGS solids to see how they would fare versus the expensive Sledgehammer factory loads. Load was 107 grains of Hodgdon 4350, with Fed 215 primer and OAL of 3.930' in a Norma case. Speed came out at about 2150 f/s, which I had planned for. Recoil 'feel' and barrel-rise is almost identical to the Federal load (which was weaker at an average 2089 f/s), except that it kicks a lot less (is subjective, of course, but I was quite pleasantly surprised). So, more speed with smoother recoil, and very consistent ignition. Also no flattened primers and stressed brass as with the Fed load. Furthermore, with the Federal loads (TBBC and TB Sledgehammer) there was always the occasional round that would really go off kilter with a big boom (and very harsh recoil) - if that happens, consistent shooting becomes a drag as you guard against the next unexpected 'bomb'. This DGS load, as well as DGX loads that I had tested earlier, is now one of my favorite loads. I had bought the Hornady bullets initially only for plinking, now I am actually a bit miffed that I'm sitting on a ton of Federal factory ammo. I don't know whether it is my gun or the caliber, but I have no issues with changing bullets and varying speed - everything regulates well, no change in POI or anything else that would matter. (Usual Disclaimer: Load data only valid for my gun, a modern H&H, with 24' barrel, start out low and work up...)

I cannot speak for the Hornady factory ammo, which is supposedly loaded with Hodgdon 4831, which did not work well in my gun with the Hornday bullets at all (muzzle flash, rough ingnition) - maybe they did because they use Winchester primers on about everything - that one did not go well with H 4350 in another gun of mine, might do better with H 4813 (which I tested with Fed 215). But if you reload, you might want to give the DGX /DGS with H 4350 a try.


Mike,

Hornady is not using Woodleighs because they are (amongst other things) a bullet company. Even though they are usually cheaper then the competition, they produce very good bullets and ammo.

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Re: New Federal Ammo - .470 specifically - with new bullets [Re: 404bearslayer]
      #154432 - 22/02/10 11:01 AM

I don't know the ammo or bullets but it will be interesting to see how the rifles fare overtime, including the solder in between. I'm not a technical expert.

If the modern rifles and modern makers advise it is OK and indeed say they regulate the rifles with the ammo in question (in writing).... interesting ....

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