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prof242
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Re: Are the Remington .45-70 doubles regulated? [Re: bwananelson]
      #112566 - 26/08/08 09:02 AM

Just a quick note. I bought one of the .45-70 Spartans a week ago. No, they are not regulated. Mine put one shot on target (25"x35") and the other may be still travelling for all I know. This was for four shots out of each barrel. Yes, there is a jackscrew adjustment under the barrels. You take a pin punch to turn this to adjust the barrels. I found out about this today by calling Remington. There was nothing in the box for paperwork, except a copy of four pages that I think was done by the manufacturer. Very sparse on info.
Tomorrow, I'm going to the range and, starting at 15 yds, fire two shots, adjust the sucker if both are on paper, move to 25yds, do it again, then move to 50 yds. Right now, the left barrel is dead on at 50 yds (I did get the sights adjusted for that barrel).
There's more info on AR, but, if you want, let me know and I'll post more here.

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Re: Are the Remington .45-70 doubles regulated? [Re: prof242]
      #112573 - 26/08/08 09:47 AM

the left is supposed to be fixed the right a floater that adjusts,what a ammo are you trying

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Re: Are the Remington .45-70 doubles regulated? [Re: bwananelson]
      #112577 - 26/08/08 10:44 AM

Are you shooting off hand or from a rest?

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Re: Are the Remington .45-70 doubles regulated? [Re: bwananelson]
      #112579 - 26/08/08 10:53 AM

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good point that is why i am researching a good scope mount for a low power quality scope.not just a 22 type mount but one that will lock in the rear notch to resist recoil.granted they are not perfect but for utility i think they fit the bill nicely.they will get more field time than thier costlier safemates and i have plenty of affordable brass and ammo really want to try the 45 70 leverlution ammo from hornaday in it.out of the lever gun they almost produce 1 jagged hole at 100 yards but we will see.i need the right mount first.i say the cost of a weapon does not mean it wont produce results i have had some real cheaply made 22's that have fed me many a meal and shot well to boot




Bwananelson,
Check this out. This is what I put on my 30-06. Very low mount.

http://www.kilic-feintechnik.de/fileadmin/pdf/mak_katalog_07.pdf

Page 36 of 44.


MAK-Skand-Ring. For the 12mm wide prism rail/rib an ultra low Ø30mm
fixed ring with interchangeable steel recoil lug was developed by MAK.
This ring can be mounted directly on all drop-barrel design guns with
12mm wide prism rib with or without recoil slot. (Zoli, Sabatti, Bettinsoli,
Finnclassic etc). As well as on all 12mm wide prism that are most often
seen on popular .22 LR rifles. The 5mm height of construction coupled
with the steel recoil lug make for ultra low, stable mounting of Ø30mm
optics on this type of rail

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Re: Are the Remington .45-70 doubles regulated? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #112602 - 26/08/08 04:59 PM

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Isnt a well regulated double parallell out to any range?




No.




Ideally, the answer is yes. They're not supposed to cross. The idea is that the POI of both barrels will be close enough to POA at any useful hunting range that the difference can't matter. If a double is cross-firing much at all, that isn't possible.

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In the meantime, anybody have info on the regulation ranges, ammo and POI of the various makers? Certainly the custom makers can/will regulate for a specific load, but I am asking about the production makers.

Anybody know?




All double rifles regulated by the makers (which of course excepts the "adjustable" wedge stuff), are regulated for a specific load. There's no other way. The maker will specify which brand of factory ammunition was used or, if a handload, what components were used. Sometimes you do have to ask. They don't always use the same load in a given caliber. It's a matter of what's available at the time, what the customer requests, or where the rifle is expected to be sold. For example, most Chapuis 9.3s are regulated with 286 grain Norma Oryx, but some are regulated with lighter bullets for some reason. Heym regulates their .450/.400s with Hornady ammo, even though Romey and Kynoch are easier to get in Germany. Last I heard Holland's was using both Romey and Kynoch.

Pretty much all the makers I'm familiar with regulate at 50 meters if the rifle is regulated with irons, and 100 if it is regulated with a scope. Some use a sitting rest, while others use a standing rest.

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Re: Are the Remington .45-70 doubles regulated? [Re: bwananelson]
      #112722 - 27/08/08 09:45 PM

b'nelson,
Here is a picture that was taken from a Russian (Baikal?)site. The scope seems a bit high for my taste, but it is a see-thru mount.

Baikal DR

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Re: Are the Remington .45-70 doubles regulated? [Re: tarawa]
      #112724 - 27/08/08 10:21 PM

I just looked at one of these Baikal SXS's in .30-06 the other day. I am sorry I did not pay closer attention, but if the rib is flat and thick enough to allow windage screw clearance, I believe it should be possible to have the rib drilled and tapped and a steel Marlin 336 scope base of "Redfield" type mounted. I just used one, slightly modified for attachment to a Romanian .22 as posted elsewhere. Said .22 had a flat receiver top and all has worked well.

Using a "Redfield" type base would allow you to select whatever height rings the rifle/scope required and you are comfortable with. As you all probably know, "Redfield"-type bases as made by Redfield, Burris or Leupold are not QD if that matters to you.

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Re: Are the Remington .45-70 doubles regulated? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #112738 - 28/08/08 12:25 AM

I believe that an adapter from 11mm dovetail to a more common size (19mm?) dovetail would easily work on these. My 30-06 has a really low mounted scope.

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Re: Are the Remington .45-70 doubles regulated? [Re: tarawa]
      #112952 - 29/08/08 10:22 PM

Hi Guys, as stated previously I also have 2 ruskies, a 9.3 x 74 O & U and a 30/06 S x S. I am currently waiting on my 45/70 to arrive.
None of the Baikals, (or Rem. Spartans in the US) are regulated I believe, which is obviously one of the ways to keep the cost down. As we know the high quality rifles have had many hours spent on them to get the regulation right. As stated earlier in this thread the Baikal uses a threaded wheel about 2/3 along the barrels and turning the wheel it moves the non fixed barrel either toward or away from the fixed barrel thereby changing the point of impact of the 2 barrels in relation to each other.

My first rifle the 9.3 took about a dozen or so shots to regulate. The 30/06 I had not had much of a chance to do a lot with it due to work commitments, but the few shots I had with it looked like it would come up ok. I had initially fitted the 06 with a cheap scope that I had sitting around but it had a problem so I took it off and started again with a Leupold 2-7 that I had on another rifle. I started at 50mtr. and totally missed a cardboard box about 2ft square. I moved it back to 25, where I should have started and clipped one side of the box with one round. I then moved my point of aim to the other side of the box, LO AND BEHOLD two holes about an inch apart. I then adjusted the scope to put the centre of the group about where I wanted it and moved the target back to 50mtr.

Settling down at my transportable bench (one of those cheap folding vice/benches you can buy at most hardwares) and using sand bags I proceeded to put a couple of boxes of ammo through it. I started with 180 gr Remington corloks and consistently got L&R grouping around 1.5 inches in a 2oc / 8oc pattern. I fine tuned the scope and was happy as a pig in the proverbial. But there was better to come. I then changed to 150gr Rem. and tried again. The only thing that happened, the group shrunk to 1- 1.25 inches. I then tried 125gr Win, and the group opened out to 1.5 - 1.75 inches. For all practical purposes the groups at 50mtr hardly varied as to point of impact of the group centre. At no point did I need to change the regulation. I then gave my mate a go at the bench and the only thing that changed the groups move about 2 inches to the left. He is a left hander and was delighted not to be reaching over the rifle to reach a bolt. I finished off with a few hunting type shots, with a side tree rest and free standing shots.

One thing I found with my 9.3 was that it was easy to do what I did with the first couple of shots and over adjust the regulation. Only move the wheel a minimal amount at a time or you can cross them over without realizing that you have. They might be cheap and not so pretty but they work.
Does anybody out there know of any real problems with these rifles? Everybody seems to concentrate on the possibility of what may happen if they are overloaded, but the same applies to old BPE rifles
with Damascus barrels when loading nitro for black loads. The only problem I have found so far is the triggers, they are bloody awful.

Al the best and god shooting, Ian.


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Re: Are the Remington .45-70 doubles regulated? [Re: watto]
      #112964 - 30/08/08 12:19 AM

The long triggerpull is probably an easy way to be sure it doesent doublefire. But it would be quite fun to take one apart and look at it, perhaps its possible to make them better.

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