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GG375
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1910 Mannlicher question.
      #94579 - 18/01/08 07:09 AM


Guys

Have asked this question over on AR so far without success so thought I'd try here! I've come across a model 1910 MS takedown rifle but with carbine length barrel (20") and was wondering how many of these are floating around? Need this info to help me decide on a fair price to offer the owner.
Thanks for any info you can give.

Cheers.

GG

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: GG375]
      #94581 - 18/01/08 07:21 AM

There were never a lot of them in the first place. Mannlicher has always had a high resale price and at the turn of the century they were popular because of their trim demensions, ground breaking new cartridges, and nearly flawless workmanship. My advice is to do some searches for Mannlicher on Gunbroker or Auctionarms and see what comparable rifles are priced at. I do regularly and old Mannlichers with classic European lines from turn of the century up until WWII command high values. They really are works of art in the gun making trade.

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: GG375]
      #97461 - 24/02/08 01:00 PM

I would look that one over very carefully. Though its possible it came from M/S in that configuration, I would check to see that the barrel hasn't been cut (quite possible) or that a carbine hasn't been restocked (unlikely). I should be a neat gun either way but if its not factory, it loses some of its value. HTH.

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: A10ACN]
      #97490 - 24/02/08 03:02 PM

Check this site & post for advise. http://discover-net.net/~kanotex/mannlicher/

I have learned a lot from the guys there - some of them are real scholars on MS rifles. One of them has the full available history & the Mannlicher / Styre people use his services for research.

I have just bought a 1910 takedown rifle & am waiting to pay the full money & collect the rifle. It is a 9.5X57 (like all 1910s) & has a full length barrel. It is cased & the wood is quite exhotic but has no checkering! It has a tang pop up peep sight which is a top end feature. I am not sure if that was an English trade add on or an original Styer factory sight.

This is a photo of 1910 MS from H&H Mannhattan




I'll post pics of mine when I get it.

Does your rifle have a similar peep sights? Is the stock a full length Mannlicher stock with a muzzle cap? Good luck in your quest.

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: Nakihunter]
      #97523 - 24/02/08 09:29 PM

Excuse my ignorance - what is the difference between a 1910 MS and the 1903 MS? Its not one I've come across, I don't think. Thanks

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #97525 - 24/02/08 10:13 PM

I am new to this as well. My understanding is that the company became famous with the 1903 MS rifle in the 6.5X54MS caliber. If I am not mistaken, this caliber came out in 1900 & the rifle was improved in 1903. Subsequent years saw new calibers introduced such as the 8X56 in 1905(?), 9X56 in 1908(?), 9.5X57 in 1910 etc. The actions look the same to my untrained eyes. The magazine spindle is specific to each caliber of course. If you ask this question on the above linked forum you will get some expert answers.

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: Nakihunter]
      #97731 - 27/02/08 07:27 AM

Small correction:

1903 = 6,5x54
1905 = 9x56
1908 = 8x56
1910 = 9,5x57

Basically all the same rifle, but the model/date is specific to chambering.

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: bpesteve]
      #97871 - 28/02/08 07:03 PM


Guys

Thanks for replies. I'm pretty sure, although not 100% certain, that some of these short barrel, half stocked rifles came from the factory in that condition. Last year Holts had one for sale with the short bbl.

I have posted a question on the Mannlicher forum mentioned above but they seem to be studiously ignoring my post - don't know why.

This rifle I'm looking at has all matching numbers and is in lovely original condition as far as I can tell. Except the takedown pin in the forend which has been lost at some point.

I love these old ladies and have been interested in them from boyhood - don't know why I left it so long to get my first one - a nice 1903 takedown which arrived about a month ago from Melbourne. It was owned by an old army Colonel who used it a lot in Malaysia. Apparently the last time he remembers using it was when a Tiger was standing in the middle of a track they were driving along. He brought the 6.5 up for the shot but the Tiger was too quick for him and jumped into the bush!

The spring-up grip mounted peep site was a factory option - not sure if only on the takedowns tho.

Will post some photos soon.

Cheers.

GG

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: GG375]
      #97889 - 28/02/08 11:32 PM

Hi GG375,
as a real old Mannlicher Schönauer fan I will give you and all other M.Sch.owners some information.
The first rifle was the so called model 1903 Stutzen (full stock) and was in 6,5x54 M.Sch.with a 450mm barrel.Few years later they started with the calibers 8x56, 9x56 and 9,5x57, but with 500mm barrels.All these rifles you can find in full stock and half stock version and also in take down.
After 1930 Mannlicher started with new models with 600mm barrels in half and full stock version in the following calibers :7x57, 7x64, .30-06, 8x60 Magnum, 9,3x62 and 10,75x68.
After WWII in year 1950 Mannlicher startet with new calibers like 6,5x54, 7x57, 7x64, 8x57 JS, 9,3x62,.257 Roberts, .270 Win.and .30-06.from 1950 all M.Sch.have been produced with metric threads-before all M.Sch had only Whitworth treads.So you can find out how old the rifle is.
In 1958 new Magnum types have been introduced as 6x5x68, 8x68S and .458 Win.Mag.
hopefully everybody can find an answer for his questions
Johann [image][/image]

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: Collath_500BPE]
      #98232 - 03/03/08 06:02 PM

Hi Johann

Thanks for all the info. Those mannlichers in your post are in really nice condition. I was over in Austria for a few days last year. The only MS I could find was at the Fuchs shop but it was not a very good specimen and they wanted heaps of $$ for it. Next time we will try to travel in the Eastern part of the country and see what we can find.

There is not much around in Australia. I think all the really good ones must be in big collections and they are never offered for sale.Cheers.

GG

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: Collath_500BPE]
      #98246 - 03/03/08 11:06 PM

Many thanks - very useful information

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #98247 - 03/03/08 11:47 PM

I´m living here in Austria and I had the chance for watching the prices of that old mannlichers: at the moment you can get a good sample (including a scope of that same era) for around 1.000 EUROs, while you had to pay well over 1.800 Euros in the middle 1990s.....
It is also seen, that there is a huge amount of them on the market today.....

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: escard]
      #103124 - 22/04/08 05:23 AM

Does someone know weight difference between 6.5x54 and 7x57 full stocked Mannlicher Schönauer?

I am planning buy one these great rifles. It seems that 6.5x54 is more common in used market than 7x57.

7x57 would be more versatile in my hunting use, I could use it in moose hunting too. But 6.5x54 is suitable to any other game what I hunt.

Any recommendations of production years what to look, pre WW2?

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: jalas]
      #103147 - 22/04/08 10:35 AM

If you want a 7X57, you can get the MCA model or others that were made from 1950 onwards. They moved away from the split bridge design (to the one where the bolt locks behind the bridge)in the late 50's or 60's.

The 6.5X54MS is a classic caliber & you can get Greek Military rifles for a cheap price & customise them as sporters. They are not as common now as they were 20 years ago.

Good luck.

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: Nakihunter]
      #103196 - 22/04/08 08:21 PM

Thanks Nakihunter!

Does 6.5x54 and 7x57 have been build in same size actions? If I remember right, M1903 weight under 3kg?

German and Austrian gun stores have full stocked Mannlicher Schönaueres prices from 1000e. I could get 6.5x54MS easily, but 7x57 is harder to find. If I buy 6.5x54, then it probably will be pre war. Building a custom, is not an option, price will be higher than original MS.

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: jalas]
      #103249 - 23/04/08 02:22 AM

Interesting! Which one of these was Hemingway's fave toy?

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: ducota]
      #103297 - 23/04/08 02:47 PM

Jalas

As far as I know the 1903 action did not come out in 7X57 though some gunsmiths have re-barreled it to 7X57.

The post 1950 action is a different one & 7X57 as well as the 6.5X54MS were made in that action. The rifle is a bit heavier than the 1903 model.

If you find a Greek military 1903 rifle with a corroded bore it is worth re-barreling to 7X57. But there are a few VERY IMPORTANT things to remember. The action was made for a low pressure round & you should not fire Norma 7X57 in it. Only use US factory loads or 150 gr bullets at about 2400 fps. The second issue is the 1903 rifle's magazine. The rotary magazine has a central spindle that is unique to each cartridge. It will not feed a 7X57 cartridge because the shoulder is different & the base diameter is larger, though the length is adequate. I have seen rifles where a gunsmith has welded a "U" shaped metal piece in the front of the magazine to keep the cartridges aligned in the right direction so that it feeds properly. It would be a tricky job to machine the spindle to accept the 7X57 but a good machinist should be able to do it.

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: Nakihunter]
      #103349 - 24/04/08 05:52 AM

Thanks again, Nakihunter!

Greek military 1903 are really rare in here, Finland. And whole EU are too, I think.

Do you know any good book of Mannlicher Schönaueres?

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: jalas]
      #103398 - 24/04/08 01:17 PM

The MS collectors association is the place. They do not always reply to posts because there are so few of them. They now have a BIG problem with continuing the site as the ISP is dead! The main guy is now moving into a yacht ....Really sad if that site dies out. I wish someone will take over the site. How about you Nitrox??

Try emailing Craig Sheek. His eamil is on the forum http://discover-net.net/~kanotex/mannlicher/

There are others like Tom who are helpful. You just need to email them & develop a network.

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Edited by Nakihunter (24/04/08 09:23 PM)

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: GG375]
      #105207 - 15/05/08 10:38 PM

Hello GG375,
here are some pics of a nice M.Sch.in 9,3x62
regards Johann [image][/image]

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Re: 1910 Mannlicher question. [Re: Collath_500BPE]
      #105209 - 15/05/08 10:39 PM

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