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Marrakai
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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Collath_500BPE]
      #71021 - 08/02/07 07:23 PM

Collath:
Thanks for the explanation of Mannlicher nomenclature in your part of the world. Learn something new every day.

BTW, any suggestion of high blood pressure is simply a ruse to draw-out more photos of fine guns!

Looks like it worked!

Keep 'em coming.

A cold ale in 2010 is already pencilled-in.

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Marrakai]
      #71033 - 09/02/07 12:29 AM

Marrakai,
thanks for answering.But by the way you prommised me a view weeks ago to contact your friend and owner of an original
M.Sch.in 10,75x68 ( Darwin )If you can spend a minute to call him and ask for some photos I would be very gratefully.
thanks in advance Johann

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Collath_500BPE]
      #71902 - 19/02/07 09:37 AM

Gentlemen,

I posting a few more pictures for SOS

some really fantastic rifles, Peter.











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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: dale]
      #71904 - 19/02/07 09:48 AM

Thanks again to Dale.
A (nearly) matched pair of takedowns. The upper is a 1910 9.5x56 (375 Exp) and the lower is a 1903 6.5x54.
Both have pop-up tang sights and British proofs though no indication of British maker's mark. The 375 is all original but some yahoo in the past cut the stock on the 1903 and then added a spacer.

Hope I'm now forgiven for polluting this thread with pics of a 6.5x53R.

SOS

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Savuti_One_Shot]
      #75793 - 07/04/07 06:45 AM



Hi all, interesting thread.

Just got my lovely Daniel Fraser Steyr 6.5 x 54 Mannlicher Shoenaur (pic above). It is fitted with a Schmidt & Bender 6x42 telescopic sight in quick detachable mounts however the receiver and barrel are fitted with the bases for a Fraser patent telescopic sight mount. Does anyone have any information on this mount?

Now that I have my dream rifle I want to reload for it and take it out stalking. To keep the MV & ME deer legal in England, I need to use bullets of between 120 and 140 grains, not unfortunately the 160 grain round nose bullet much loved by the Victorian hunters.

I like to use Vit powder in most of my rifle loads but cannot find any data for the 6.5 x 54 MS in their loading manual. Does anyone out there have any pet loads for this calibre using vit powder and lighter bullets?

Regards

Webley-boy

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Collath_500BPE]
      #76660 - 16/04/07 02:28 PM

Bell started with a straight magazine Dutch type 6.5X53R that he much preferred to the MS and the bullets used in the 6.5X54. The 6.5 he mostly speaks of was actually one of the 1897 versions reworked in England. He later went to the MS and was not impressed due to ammunition failured both to fire and to penetrate. I have a letter that was written o nthe subject by him that I will need to dig out for you guys to read. Poor quality litho copy, but it gets the point across great.

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Marrakai
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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: 333_okh]
      #77587 - 28/04/07 08:43 PM

Sure would like to see that letter, 333, regardless of quality. I hope you can find it.

BTW Collath, photos of the Darwin 10.75x68 MS are now in my possession, but I need to clarify a couple of points with the owner before posting. Stand by...!

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Collath_500BPE]
      #162601 - 23/06/10 12:06 PM

Selous actually used the 6.5 x 53R, or Dutch Mannlicher. His rifle is now owned by Roger Whittall of Humani in the Save Valley Conservancy, Zimbabwe. Prior to his leaving Rhodesia, Selous gave it to Whittall's grandfather. I had an oppotunity to handle the rifle when I hunted there in 2006. I have some photographs of the rifle if there are any interested parties.

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: MAMBO_NYALA]
      #162620 - 23/06/10 08:16 PM

Please do post the photos. I would really like to see that rifle.

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: CptCurl]
      #162706 - 24/06/10 09:00 PM

Mambo_Nyala,

Thanks for sending the photos. I edited your post to include them. Maybe you can post again to add some background and history to this rifle.

Thanks,
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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Collath_500BPE]
      #162893 - 28/06/10 03:30 AM

Marrakai, you are both right and wrong on Bell's Mannlicher! Bell owned at least two Mannlichers. Let's go back to the roots. To quote W.D.M.Bell's book "Karamojo Safari", Prologue:
"In the course of time I acquired a long-barreled .256 Mannlicher, stocked and sighted (iron sights, but extremely refined) by Gibbs of Bristol. I did not use this rifle on elephant; I don't know why unless it was that I had only soft-nosed bullets. It was not until later that I got a .256 Mannlicher-Schonauer and used it on elephant. I used the long Gibbs -a most beautiful rifle- entirely for meat-getting. And what a deadly weapon it was!....Just to give an idea of this sort of thing, the donkey headman demands four hundred skins for donkey saddles…..This particular trouble was generally cured by nine or ten giraffe; failing them, a score or so of zebra or, more rarely, by a dozen buffalo. That Gibbs certainly had a full-time job to do. I don't think that even now a better rifle could be found for that particular work." (end of quote)
As Gibbs had a very distinctive style, quite different from Jeffery's, Bell's Gibbs "Old model .256 Mannlicher" probably looked like this one of 1899 vintage, marked "G.Gibbs, Bristol"





Only later, "As prosperity descended upon me," Bell obtained a "very refined little Mannlicher-Schoenauer .256 with a goodly store of solids" from Fraser of Edinburgh. He rarely used this rifle because the ammo of Austrian make, Roth or Hirtenberger, was unreliable. This is likely the M-S carbine shown above.

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: MAMBO_NYALA]
      #162895 - 28/06/10 06:03 AM

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Selous actually used the 6.5 x 53R, or Dutch Mannlicher. His rifle is now owned by Roger Whittall of Humani in the Save Valley Conservancy, Zimbabwe. Prior to his leaving Rhodesia, Selous gave it to Whittall's grandfather. I had an oppotunity to handle the rifle when I hunted there in 2006. I have some photographs of the rifle if there are any interested parties.

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BTW this rifle also seems to be a Gibbs - Mannlicher. Gibbs made up such rifles for retail by other gunmakers too. You may also identify a G.Gibbs Mannlicher or Mannlicher-Schoenauer by a B-prefix serial number.

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: kuduae]
      #338674 - 05/03/20 01:58 AM

Another wonderful old Mannlicher thread that deserves to see daylight again!

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: BillfromOregon]
      #338678 - 05/03/20 05:10 AM

Yes - I was just wondering if Webley Boy found loads for his 6.5x54 Stutzen. I was going to suggest starting loads for the 6.5x55 would work.

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