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skeet2atlow8
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Model 1924 Sequoia
      #352981 - 02/05/21 12:39 PM

Well, a Sequoia followed me home today. It’s been used, but not abused, has a bit of frosting in the bore, but is still smooth as glass, even feeding and chambering empties from the magazine. It will join its siblings and hopefully find some use in the fall bear season this year.

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: skeet2atlow8]
      #352982 - 02/05/21 04:29 PM

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Well, a Sequoia followed me home today. It’s been used, but not abused, has a bit of frosting in the bore, but is still smooth as glass, even feeding and chambering empties from the magazine. It will join its siblings and hopefully find some use in the fall bear season this year.





Color me jealous.

I have my Grandfather's M1910 Takedown Model which I love dearly but for which reloading is a necessity (that I soon learned to appreciate and enjoy).

I've long held that if I were to buy another, my first choice would be an M1924 Sequoia.
The fact that I have lived near the south entrance to Sequoia National Park for the last fourteen years reinforces the notion.

By the way, this works for image hosting to NitroExpress: http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=321070&an=0&page=0#Post321070

Several members here have alternate names for Photo*uckit.

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #353013 - 03/05/21 03:10 AM

Skeeter, none of those links worked for me. All I get is an add page to set up a photobucket account for billing yearly
or monthly.

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: DarylS]
      #353018 - 03/05/21 05:38 AM

Skeeter,
I had the same problem as Daryl, just photobucket ads.
You could just send the Sequoia to me to look at. That way I could really see it.

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: DarylS]
      #353021 - 03/05/21 06:17 AM

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Skeeter, none of those links worked for me. All I get is an add page to set up a photobucket account for billing yearly
or monthly.


Me too!

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: kuduae]
      #353023 - 03/05/21 06:28 AM

It says that it is set for private viewing only.

Matt.

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #353033 - 03/05/21 04:31 PM

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #353034 - 03/05/21 06:47 PM

Links do not work for me either; looking forward to photos when you can post them.
Anyway, congratulations on your acquisition, a really desirable version of the M-S rifle!
Louis

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: Louis]
      #353041 - 03/05/21 09:10 PM

Ditto!

Looking forward to seeing the photos.

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: paradox_]
      #353043 - 03/05/21 10:15 PM

Hope you don't mind me posting your pics






Edited by LRF (04/05/21 10:25 AM)

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kuduae
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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: LRF]
      #353047 - 04/05/21 12:50 AM

Skeeter, I cannot make out the Steyr serial number on the right side of the receiver ring, 500 or 300? If 300, here is number 299. It stayed in Europe, had the inscription altered from “M1924” to “KAL:7.62x63”(metric for .30-06) and a 4x Kahles “Heliavier” scope factory mounted with typical pre-WW2 snapper mounts.

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skeet2atlow8
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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: kuduae]
      #353056 - 04/05/21 04:35 AM

Thanks everyone! New to photobucket, and appreciate the help and the posting of the pics. I’ll be working on your suggestions soon.

Rifle serial is 600, and Sequoia number is 393. To date I’ve only had full stock models, and really didn’t think much of half-stocks. That said, from across the room, the rifle drew me in as having a single shot profile, bottom on to me, that prompted a question, that revealed its identity, that led to, well you know the drill. It’s now home and waiting for COVID lockdowns to end and range closures to be lifted.

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: skeet2atlow8]
      #353057 - 04/05/21 06:41 AM

Skeeter
I reckon you're old girl has ma great figure under all that!
A sympathetic clean & she'll sparkle all right.
Are you going to leave as is, or try & get period scope & mounts?

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: 93x64mm]
      #353071 - 04/05/21 09:11 PM


Nice Sequoia.

The metal could use a good cleaning, as suggested by 9.3X64, but the wood has nice 'figure', indeed!

I wouldn't fault it for being a half stock rather than a stutzen.

When you're at the range with people who think they have a 'Mannlicher' just because their whatever make rifle has a stutzen stock you can say, "No, this is a Mannlicher" while showing them your half stocked genuine Mannlicher Schoenauer and what makes it so.

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #353072 - 04/05/21 09:36 PM

Nice...Im guessing proof date of 1928???

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: paradox_]
      #353074 - 04/05/21 11:34 PM



The receiver was manufactured no later than 1926, as it is marked Oesterr. Waffenfabr,- Ges. Steyr on the left rail.

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #353098 - 05/05/21 11:02 AM

Thanks all, and yes, the stock figure looks wonderful up close. I’m always surprised, however, by the almost casual checkering found on interwar MS’s. Not much attention to parallel lines, or under/overruns; but it is functional. I’ve not had it apart so no proofs seen, yet. I did open the butt trap, and an additional bonus was a full cleaning rod set found inside.

For now, I’m going to leave it as-is, no scope. I don’t want to mill markings off to use a snapper mount that I have on a sporterized Breda, and I don’t want Pachmayr or Williams mounts as they don’t fit the era/look. But, if I can find a G&H base with 7/8” rings, then a Lyman Alaskan may find a new home. If not, or until, whatever the case may be, it will stay as is.

Does anybody know what bullet weight they were sighted with? Given the closest leaf is 200, the difference between 150 and 180 gr won’t be of significance at 100 or 150 yards. That works for me as the longest shots I can get on deer where I hunt is 150 across a field, and for bear, much closer than that! Middle-aged eyes aren’t that great for open leaf sights then again, if a Lyman cocking piece aperture is ever found, that may be an option.

It’s going to be an adventure.

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: skeet2atlow8]
      #353103 - 05/05/21 08:42 PM

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I’ve not had it apart so no proofs seen, yet. I did open the butt trap, and an additional bonus was a full cleaning rod set found inside.


It’s going to be an adventure.



The rods are a nice bonus.

When you disassemble your MS, be sure to use proper fitting (thin) screwdrivers or bits.

If Santa Claus is particularly nice to you this year, perhaps you'll run across one of these...

Lyman 1A:








Lyman 36:








It swings away as bolt is cycled:





Or if you've really been good, one of these:

Parker Hale Sportarget:



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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #353104 - 05/05/21 08:43 PM

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Does anybody know what bullet weight they were sighted with? Given the closest leaf is 200, the difference between 150 and 180 gr won’t be of significance at 100 or 150 yards. That works for me as the longest shots I can get on deer where I hunt is 150 across a field, and for bear, much closer than that! Middle-aged eyes aren’t that great for open leaf sights then again, if a Lyman cocking piece aperture is ever found, that may be an option.


A 1929 Steyr Rifles, Guns & Pistols catalog gives the contemporary loads and ballistics for the then Mannlicher – Schoenauer rifles. Two loads are listed for the .30-06 Springfield aka 7.62x63, a German and an American one. I don’t know which one was used for regulating the sights.

As you are looking for a cocking piece aperture sight, this old thread may give some ideas.
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=151111&an=0&page=2#Post151111
Such an Ersatz – Sportarget sight is on my Gibbs M1900 too. See
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....;gonew=1#UNREAD

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #353128 - 06/05/21 11:44 AM

"""The receiver was manufactured no later than 1926, as it is marked Oesterr. Waffenfabr,- Ges. Steyr on the left rail. ""

My " British Sequoia " marked the same....proofed in 1928.
Just 36 numbers away from that above.
Perhaps a look underneath may help.

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: paradox_]
      #353138 - 06/05/21 04:37 PM

Quote:

"""The receiver was manufactured no later than 1926, as it is marked Oesterr. Waffenfabr,- Ges. Steyr on the left rail. ""

My " British Sequoia " marked the same....proofed in 1928.
Just 36 numbers away from that above.
Perhaps a look underneath may help.

Best
Eric



The name of OWGS was changed to Steyr Werke AG in 1926 and was reflected as such on MS receivers manufactured after the change.

The pathways taken by 'Sequoia' marked receivers and finished rifles / stutzen from manufacture to sale are varied.

It seems the Sequoia Importing Company bit off far more than they could chew and large quantities of receivers, rifles, stutzen, intended for their use were eventually sold through other venues over a period of years.

A comprehensive study of the 'Sequoia Mannlicher' history would be a very worthwhile endeavor if one could find enough accurate and relevant research material to make a good work of it.

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #353140 - 06/05/21 06:44 PM

Yes indeed.
I long ago gave up making categorical statements in relation to these fine rifles.
It seems there will often be exceptions to the rule.
Perhaps skeeter will enlighten us when he has a moment to take metal from wood.


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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: paradox_]
      #353231 - 09/05/21 04:59 AM

I had a nice minty one a few years ago...sold it though.

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: skeet2atlow8]
      #353297 - 10/05/21 08:12 PM

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Middle-aged eyes aren’t that great for open leaf sights then again, if a Lyman cocking piece aperture is ever found, that may be an option.


Look here: http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post353296

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Re: Model 1924 Sequoia [Re: kuduae]
      #353306 - 11/05/21 02:59 AM

My eyes are very poor for open sights, but I still get by. 71 in 12 days. The targets are nice and sharp. LOL
A rear aperture makes a really nice sight picture.

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