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Rothhammer1
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Now, that's different!
#351696 - 24/03/21 03:02 PM

Here's a very interesting M1900 variant with extended finger guard and 'grip safety', along with stock differences.

From a Maynards auction listing with only three images. Serial No. 133, sold for $1300. CDN against $700 - $900 estimate in November of 2019. Here's the text:

Description: Mannlicher-Schoenauer, M.1900 bolt action rifle,
6.5 x 54 Mannlicher Schoenauer, 570 mm barrel, full walnut stock with checkered forearm and pistol grip, grip safety, serial #133 (non-restricted) (this firearm might be permitted to be imported into the US)

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kuduae
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Re: Now, that's different! [Re: Rothhammer1]
#351708 - 25/03/21 02:02 AM

This Mannlicher – Schoenauer was most likely built by Franz Neuber, a renowned gunmaker in Wiener Neustadt, Lower Austria, south of Vienna. Neuber had Austrian, German and US patents for this grip safety modification, together with Joseph Tambour. Tambour had patented many safety designs for all kinds of firearms. Neuber is well known for his custom Mannlichers. He modified both straight – pull and turnbolt Mannlicher actions and combined them with Mauser staggered column, flush magazines.

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Re: Now, that's different! [Re: kuduae]
#351713 - 25/03/21 05:29 AM

thanks axel, you can learn something new every day

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Louis
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Re: Now, that's different! [Re: lancaster]
#351720 - 25/03/21 06:33 AM

Thank you to Rothhammer for spotting this little gem and to Kuduae for teaching us on Franz Neuber.
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kuduae
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Re: Now, that's different! [Re: Louis]
#351724 - 25/03/21 08:25 AM

Not to hijack this thread, but just to show more of Franz Neuber’s work. No grip safeties here, just two different Mannlichers by Neuber. Both were built on Mdl.1893 Rumanian actions fitted with Mauser magazines. Imho fine examples of pre-WW1 Austrian custom bolt action rifles.

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Rothhammer1
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Re: Now, that's different! [Re: kuduae]
#351730 - 25/03/21 01:30 PM

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Not to hijack this thread, ...

'Hijack' away!

You have brought a great deal of relevant information to my "gee, looky this" thread and the patent drawings are wonderful.

Herr Neuber was clearly a master of his craft.

The schnabeled stutzen in the last image could be an interesting model from which to form a synthetic stock for a previously sporterized or bare 'project action' Y1903.

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Louis
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Re: Now, that's different! [Re: kuduae]
#351732 - 25/03/21 06:36 PM

Thank you Kuduae, these are really nice pieces of craftsmanship.
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Re: Now, that's different! [Re: Louis]
#351737 - 26/03/21 04:47 AM

Nice bit of kit there & in nice shape, too.

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93x64mm
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Re: Now, that's different! [Re: Louis]
#351744 - 26/03/21 06:52 AM

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Thank you Kuduae, these are really nice pieces of craftsmanship.
Louis

Not wrong there Louis!
Wonderful find Kuduae showing us those pieces mate!

Cheers

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LRF
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Re: Now, that's different! [Re: kuduae]
#351747 - 26/03/21 12:40 PM

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Not to hijack this thread, but just to show more of Franz Neuber’s work. No grip safeties here, just two different Mannlichers by Neuber. Both were built on Mdl.1893 Rumanian actions fitted with Mauser magazines. Imho fine examples of pre-WW1 Austrian custom bolt action rifles.

Kuduae, Thanks for sharing. Do you know what caliber and cartridge the two rifles were chambered for?

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Re: Now, that's different! [Re: kuduae]
#351751 - 26/03/21 02:28 PM

Quote:

This Mannlicher – Schoenauer was most likely built by Franz Neuber, a renowned gunmaker in Wiener Neustadt, Lower Austria, south of Vienna. Neuber had Austrian, German and US patents for this grip safety modification, together with Joseph Tambour. Tambour had patented many safety designs for all kinds of firearms. Neuber is well known for his custom Mannlichers. He modified both straight – pull and turnbolt Mannlicher actions and combined them with Mauser staggered column, flush magazines.

Interesting, especially on a bolt action, but IMO a very annoying safety.

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Re: Now, that's different! [Re: kuduae]
#351752 - 26/03/21 02:30 PM

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I do like the style of this one. My Greek Steyr would look lovely like that!

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Re: Now, that's different! [Re: NitroX]
#351760 - 26/03/21 09:37 PM

Very interesting indeed, thank you Rothhammer and Kuduae... and some people think Mannlichers are all the same. The inculsion of a Mauser magazine is particularly interesting.

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kuduae
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Re: Now, that's different! [Re: paradox_]
#351761 - 26/03/21 11:59 PM

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. Do you know what caliber and cartridge the two rifles were chambered for?

Both are now in 7x57. The first one was reproofed by the Vienna proofhouse in 1968. So it was possibly rebored and rechambered then. The other one was rebarreled outside Europe, most likely in the USA.
If you google Franz Neupert Wiener Neustadt, you will find links to several more Neupert guns. Here is a link to an “Ischler Stutzen”, that is a single shot break open, side hammer, full stocked stalking rifle: http://www.germanhuntingguns.com/archives/neuber-franz-wiener-neustadt/

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Re: Now, that's different! [Re: kuduae]
#352037 - 06/04/21 01:50 AM

Thank you Rothhammer for starting the topic and Kuduae for expounding on it and posting the link above. I absolutely adore the Ischler Stutzen and hope to one day to posses one like that 7x57R.

Edited by JDL (06/04/21 01:54 AM)

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