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Steyr M95 (straight pull) in 8x56 - 48.5 cm / 19 inches

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Some questions for the experts on this rifle.

The Steyr M1895 straight pull, which country or countries used this rifle as a military rifle?

Also is the 8x56 mm the same cartridge as chambered in the Steyr model 1908 8x56 mm?

Lsstly, this rifle has sat in my gun safe as a safe queen for a number of years. I still have the original dealers tags attached to it, and there is a warning on one side "Do not remove the bolt !!!" I may have taken it out in the past, but is the straight pull bolt problematic to remove and replace back in the action? Just in case I haven't done it in the past and there is a technique to replace it back in the action.

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What happens with some M95s is that the bolt head snaps back into the retracted position when the bolt is removed from the receiver. The bolt functions correctly as long as it is not removed, but sometimes the bolt must be removed regardless.

In order to replace the bolt, you must pull the bolt head forward and rotate it into the extended position. Sometimes the bolt head will lock in place long enough for you to slide it back into the receiver, but sometimes it won't. It it won't, then you can use a coin, such as a US penny, to hold the bolt head in proper position long enough to place it into the receiver. It may be necessary to file flats on the penny to achieve the proper spacing. I found these instructions on Youtube, by the way.

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Wow, what a story! A fantastic gift for sure and I'm positive they will be put to the use intended. The cartridge of the M.95 straight pull bolt action is quite different from the 1908. The M.95 is a rimmed cartridge while the 1908 is rimless and it has a larger groove diameter of about .327", at least it is on a friend's rifle.

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Thanks. I think I identified the cartridge as a guess some time ago but do need it confirmed. I actually purchased a bag of 8x56R brassjust in case at some gun show. Thinking it might be for this rifle.

What is the proper name of this cartridge? 8x56R ? ie Mannlicher, or eg 8x56R Hungarian? I think maybe the brass I bought was the latter.)

I also think this cartridge is .330. At least that is what it is listed at one source.

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The take down pin in the fore end is (of course) missing and has been replaced by a bolt (rather cleverly).

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A previous post from member Louis:

Louis

Fore-end pins for MS detachable stock models now available
#300946 - 05/29/17 11:19 PM


Good news.
The uphill struggle for finding fore-end pins for MS detachable stock models has come to an end!
Michael Miedler (Austria) can produce them upon request; he recently produced a new one for me and he was also able to repair a broken leaf spring on a damaged pin I sent him. All work is professionally done and stock pins fit well. Michael can be contacted through his email miedler.michael@gmail.com or through his website http://mannlich-schönauer.com
Louis

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Gentlemen,

thank you very, very much for the friendly words and the wishes regarding my health!

I am really sorry to hear about the trigger problem, it was not my intention to send John some scrap !
I hope this trigger can be re-adjusted to function normally.

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Thst is not the case. And I assumed from some of your emails where you referred to the triggers that they must hsve functioned fine when sent. My guess is someone has fiddled with them somewhere in the process of shipping from Germany, storage in UK, shipping from UK, receival in Australia etc. And as such instructions on how to adjust them should return them to the state when sent. And if it doesn't someone here can assist me, and in any case a set trigger on a 9.5mm is a target range luxury most of the time. In the field can be used but only for stationary unaware animals.

Rolf is truly a gentlemen. He invited me to hunt with him a number of years ago. More than a handful of years. Then recently when I was in Romania again. Unfortunately the Roimanian trip was my wife's holiday and also changed from Burma at the last moment, Burma being a bit iffy at the time. Tickets were booked and could not be changed. By my wife and I would have loved to visit Rolf in Bavaria even for a visit. But alas we couldn't change our plans.

I also invited Rolf to visit Australia and hunt water buffalo, or something else, in 2017 but unfortunately he could not make it either.

When funds permit, no doubt I will make it to Europe again one year, and I hope we can meet up. Or here in Australia.

I am going to treasure these rifles. a generous gift. And as I said elsewhere, my aim is to pass these rifles onto a worthy person or persons, oneday, maybe with the rifles history under the butt caps or somewhere. Maybe Rolf knows of the rifles history before they were sent or acquired by him? The worthy persons one day hopefully will have to wait many years.

While there are some issues to solve in reloading these rifles, such as supply of brass and bullets, I do have a supply supplied by Rolf, from the comments these rifles will shoot very well. Just need some care in creating the ammunition, sourcing proper calibre projectiles or bumping up or down other calibres, for the 8mm. The 9.5mm should be a breeze with all the makers needed manufacturing in Australia. Subject to them holding stocks.

In the nmeantime making use of the projectiles and brass supplied will enable some fun.

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The group spread was about 30 centimeters at 100 meters distance for five shots.

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I switched to Reichenberg HDB 160grs solid copper/ open hollow point in .325" and this bullet gave groups below 30mm for 4 shots at 100 meters distance.
The next test was a 196grs Degol SPRN boded core bullet, also in dia. 325", which gave also precise shot groups at 100 meters.

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I loaded the Degol bullets a little bit slow in order not to put too much stress on the rifle, and shot one roe deer buck at about 120 meters (velocity at impact ca. 600 m/s)
The bullet hit exactly where I assumed the buck was standing, but after the shot the buck ran for about 20 meters in a thicket.
We found him dead with a surprisingly good heart shot, but the exit wound was like a pencil like stabbing wound, which suggested that the bullet did not open up.
I made some research and received information that the Degol bonded core bullets are made for heavier game and more target resistance like boars.
Also it would be beneficial for the bullet setup to increase the muzzle velocity.

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I want to thank John for all the work he is doing for the NitroExpress forum and also for his patience in waiting for the rifles !
I am very glad that I found this forum not only for the information about rifles and reloading, but also for the connection to other members like szihn, xausa and kuduae!

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No thanks are necessary and the gift was so generous I had trouble accepting it without paying you something. At least for one rifle! But Rolf kept refusing.

I enjoy it also when members get enjoyment from these forums, sharing information, making friendships and joining in here and also in the real world. Venues like facebook to me seem so transitory, temporary, and sterile. I hope these forums continue in their current form or similar form for a long time still to come.

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I'd be intersted to know how the trigger is behaving. I recently rebuilt one and it was actually quite fun.

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At the moment with no attempt at adjustmen as advised on a previous post. The front trigger has quite a heavy let off. The rear setting trigger has zero movement. If depressed does not move at all rearwards.

It MIGHT be possible someone adjusted the trigger to have a heavier pull and maybe blocked the set trigger somehow. Some customs officials do not like light trigger pulls if they test the rifles, before allowing them into the country.

The trigger on the 9.5mm is heavish, but not so much that it would be a issue for hunting.

BTW one of my WJ Jeffery doubel rifle triggers had a let off of 13 kg (from memory -seems impossible?) before a good gunsmith fixed the problem for me. No wonder I had trouble shooting two barrel groups with it before then.

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I hope these forums continue in their current form or similar form for a long time still to come.

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Word!

Oh, and if anyone else has too much Mannlicher Schnauer 'scrap' about, I'd be glad to pay shipping to my address!



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I'm hoping to spare some time next week and get one of these shooting. A start anyway.

If I have some 270 gr FNs, will give the 9.5mm a go... other than 270 gr RNs, I have Woodleigh protected points, but not sure the RNs.

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For the M1910, start with round nose 270 grain and build them precisely like this;



Otherwise, expect to load only two cartridges at a time into your rifle. As covered in previous posts (on other threads), the early Schönauer magazines can be rather particular as to what they're fed. If the bullet profile is not right or set to proper depth, loading the third cartridge will likely cause a jam as the first becomes misaligned and stuck.

With cartridges built to the original profile, however, one can load from five round strippers (most 8mm Mauser clips work fine) with a slight push of the thumb and the magazine will function flawlessly. I'd highly recommend building at least five rounds exactly as shown in the Eley drawing (even if powderless and primerless 'dummies') just for the sheer joy of experiencing how beautifully that magazine does work when properly fed. That will give you the baseline from which to craft your loads - perfection.

As the pre M1924 magazines have no 'guide ring', any variation from original bullet profile and overall dimensions may cause binding of the cartridges in the magazine. If you use shorter or differently shaped projectiles, expect to experiment with such until you find profiles and seating depths that will function in your magazine. It's necessary that there be sufficient bearing surface where the projectile rides along the milled area at the lower magazine body.


If your projectile is not wide enough or set out long enough to engage the machined area at left, it may be prone to misalignment and jamming.



These work:

The (now nearly extinct) Hornady 3715
I believe the Woodleigh 270RN is dimensionally identical.

If you can have projectiles (decorative paperweights?) shipped to you from the U.S., check on these every now and again. I laid in a supply when they had some at .26 each in lots of 100 (click link): Midway


Detail of Eley drawing:


Original DWM 531:

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Unfortunately, the 270gr. Hornady is no discontinued.

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For auld lang syne:



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