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deeangeo
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Re: Getting No-where!! [Re: Louis]
      #304625 - 31/08/17 05:09 AM

Ha Louis,
I reckon a dram or three will pass my lips .. either while I wince at the cost, or hopefully celebrate success.

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Re: Getting No-where!! [Re: deeangeo]
      #304665 - 01/09/17 08:54 PM

You should be able to glass bed the recoil lug without too much effort to stop the longitudinal play. Is it a take-down, they also bear on the very rear of the tang. Look for a little notch there. I glass bedded the small recoil lug on my (now-sold) M.1910 Mannlicher and it became a tack-driver.

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deeangeo
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Re: Getting No-where!! [Re: Kiwi_bloke]
      #304666 - 01/09/17 10:23 PM

An interesting thought & not one I haven't considered, but not done anything about.
Yes, indeed it is a Takedown M1903.
Tomorrow I shall be taking it with me to the Highlands & visiting Callum; his views will be interesting and I shall await his verdict.

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Re: Getting No-where!! [Re: deeangeo]
      #304667 - 01/09/17 11:52 PM

Hi deeangeo, I have been following this with much interest. Did you manage to source any .267 projectiles yet. I await that trial and outcome with much interest. When I was younger we had a .303 that had little real rifling to see and would keyhole badly so we tried an 8mm projectile in a fired case and it fell in. We then loaded a couple and shot them and they grouped well enough. So this gave it a new lease of life, maybe not recommended but it worked and we shot it for many more years as a knock about pig gun like this.
Anyway I hope you have success in Scotland.

Regards

Steve

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deeangeo
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Re: Getting No-where!! [Re: Viking338]
      #304681 - 02/09/17 06:44 AM

Thanks Steve, no I didn't get any .267" bullets. No one anywhere near me stocks them & apparently they're rarely imported into the UK.
Someone will have a couple or a box & maybe even the gunsmith I'll see tomorrow will have some.
We'll see.

Interesting you gave your .303 a new lease of life with a larger dia. bullet. As others have said, doing that appears to work.
Cheers, d

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Re: Getting No-where!! [Re: deeangeo]
      #304682 - 02/09/17 07:17 AM

Graeme Wright had the same issue with one of his rifles in .375 x 2 1/2" with an oversized bore so he got die made to swage up factory projectiles.
So I guess D you can try that as well or resize down .277" projectiles.
If you swaged down you'd have probably 3 steps to do. If you could get your gunsmith to run you off a few you may be able to see if there is life left in the barrel using correct sized projectiles, certainly doable.
The only other option besides rebarrelling will be casting your own.
just my 2c's worth

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Re: Getting No-where!! [Re: 93x64mm]
      #304698 - 02/09/17 12:13 PM

Hi d, I see a road trip to Europe in your future for some projectile shopping. No borders so just bring back what you want, certain other "groups" seem to do it no worries

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deeangeo
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Re: Getting No-where!! [Re: Viking338]
      #304705 - 02/09/17 04:24 PM

Ha! the road trips to Europe have not been infrequent in the past, though I haven't been on one since May last year. A new one coming soon as I have friends living over the channel in several countries. Just haven't yet arranged it, although I will be in Italy in November and then on to the Gulf.

I'll post the words of wisdom when I know them, but slightly oversize bullets are certainly suggested by several of you guys, so definitely worth consideration .. when I find some!
So thank you for that.

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Re: Getting No-where!! [Re: Louis]
      #304820 - 05/09/17 05:43 AM

The verdict is the barrel is well & truly knackered.
The cost to have a new correctly profiled MSch.6.5 x 54 Kreiger chrome moly & blued replacement £1250-£1500.

The down side?
I'd lose the proof date stamp of .22 (1922) and matching serial number. (I'll have photographs of course)
Keeping the original barrel may not be an option as removing it from the action in such a way as to not damage the receiver is likely to require the barrel to be sawn to 'relieve tension' on the threaded receiver.
The rifle will no longer be original.

The up side
The rifle will still be original calibre/cartridge but shoot accurately.

Things that make you go Hmmmm....???

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Re: Getting No-where!! [Re: deeangeo]
      #304821 - 05/09/17 06:16 AM

I guess the question will be for you now D is if you change the barrel in any shape or form then you lose the originality & perhaps the collector's value of the rifle.
If that being the case 1500 quid to do it up & in the same calibre - back to where you were originally trying to find odd sized projectiles?
Is there any chance of relining?, this will still be a whole lot of money to resurrect the old girl!
Go the whole hog & do the Cinderella treatment, bring it back to a more easily obtained cartridge/components that will still work through your action & was possibly available in this rifle?
or
don't & spend on the money on another project.

I guess it will all come to us one day when a barrel wears out in a antique rifle.
I have 2 P14's at home, now each 100 years old; both have wear in the barrels but still shootable.
I don't envy you mate what-so-ever! I guess if I had to make the choice I'd try to keep original calibre & reuse sights, redo markings & engravings.
They will all wear out & being military rifles the barrels were replaced at times & proof marked as such!
Will be interesting whichever way you go mate!

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Re: Getting No-where!! [Re: 93x64mm]
      #304824 - 05/09/17 07:13 AM

And there lies the nub of it.
Spend the dosh & have a shootable rifle in orginal cal./cartridge or put in the cupboard out of use and spend on a different project.

I'm inclined to think I'd like to have the rifle fully shootable. Particularly as the rest of the rifle is in excellent order.
I'm not about to sell it and remain unconvinced the rifle would be undesireable with a new barrel if it ever were to be sold.
If I proceed, it will be months until the job is done.

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Re: Getting No-where!! [Re: deeangeo]
      #304923 - 07/09/17 05:36 PM

So that's it folks, I just commissioned the rebarrelling of my MSch. M1903 with the Kreiger replacement.
That'll be around fifteen hundred quid and a six month period parted from my rifle.
Hoooooooey !

Forgot to talk about some attention to the trigger .. must do that while he's got the rifle.
Make it somewhat more crisp with less 'creep'.
Better & smoother anyway, I'm he can do that.

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Edited by deeangeo (07/09/17 05:37 PM)

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