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rpeck

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German Proofmarks on Mannlicher-Schoenauer
#241819 - 06/02/14 03:19 AM

I am wondering if someone can decipher these proof marks. They are on a Mannlicher-Schoenauer Model 1908 fullstock carbine in 7x57. It seems to have been rebarreled (marked ...ELLER Nr. 067". possibly the "H" is obscured under the rear sight band...so, "HELLER"?) to 7x57 and at that time was marked with German (Nazi period?) import and proofmarks . However, there also seem to be two sets of proofhouse ledger numbers (with the year of make/proof), both 1920 and 1926, and that complicates things. At least this is all how I interpret the markings.

I know that the Sequoia Importing Company in the US introduced the 1908 M-S in 7x57, rebarreled in Germany by George Knaak. But I think that was earlier than this rifle.

Can someone clarify any of this? Thanks, Rob

Edited by rpeck (06/02/14 03:28 AM)

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Re: German Proofmarks on Mannlicher-Schoenauer [Re: rpeck]
#241833 - 06/02/14 10:28 AM

The two Austrian ledger numbers, 1920 and 25, are not related to the 1940-45 German proofmarks. The German I does not stand for "Import", but for "Instandsetzung" = overhaul, repair, a reproof mark indicating rebarreling. As I miss the usual post-1940 proofhouse and date stamps in your photos, it was probably rebarreled (again?) to 7x57 in early 1940 by either Edmund Keller, a Zella-Mehlis barrelmaker, or Wilhelm Keller, Suhl barrelmaker, or Heinrich Keller, Suhl, a repair specialist. "Heller" is not likely, as I know about only one Heller, active in Zella-Mehlis in the 1920s.

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