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Dogfish858
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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Louis]
      #348531 - 28/12/20 01:37 AM

That looks great.

Regards the TIG brightness, mask off everything that's black with shellac or wax or whatever and suspend the bolt in a sealed container with muriatic acid. The fumes will turn the stainless very dark grey.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Louis]
      #348533 - 28/12/20 05:46 AM

Very nice looking carbine!

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Dogfish858]
      #348540 - 28/12/20 08:25 AM

Quote:


Regards the TIG brightness, mask off everything that's black with shellac or wax or whatever and suspend the bolt in a sealed container with muriatic acid. The fumes will turn the stainless very dark grey.



Probably not what you want to hear Lancaster, but being a 'non standard rifle'; perhaps a Cerakote finish on the bolt / bolt handle will alleviate that look?
The colours that they have are quite unique - perhaps 'Blue Titanium"?
https://wepleadthe2nd.com/cerakote-color-guide/

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Dogfish858]
      #348586 - 29/12/20 04:30 AM

Quote:

That looks great.

Regards the TIG brightness, mask off everything that's black with shellac or wax or whatever and suspend the bolt in a sealed container with muriatic acid. The fumes will turn the stainless very dark grey.



that seems a solution if it was possible to mask all carbon steel perfect but ...

I will look also in this direction, don't know if cerakote is an option for me.
wish I can close this story very quickly because two other project get new start next year.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
      #348598 - 29/12/20 06:29 AM

You'd need to drop it into a pot of shellac, let it drip dry, then remove the shellac from the tigged area, then drop in methanol to clean it all up again.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Dogfish858]
      #348758 - 02/01/21 09:38 AM

I really like the way it turned out Lancaster!

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Louis]
      #349288 - 16/01/21 04:08 AM

Lancaster,
I do not want to hijack your thread but wanted to ask a question
about the Carcano as it is the only thread I have ever seen about
sportering one.

I have a model 91/38 that is 7 .35 and want to sporter it.
Was thinking of using the T38 Arasaki bottom metal for it.
Do you think it will fit?
If so it will give me a flat bottom and I will not have to
use the clips to load the mag.

Any ideas ?

Jim
aka: rodmkr

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: rodmkr]
      #349333 - 17/01/21 02:54 AM

I dont think its fits right from the start but its all steel and all can be changed be welding or simply soft soldering until it fits

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Louis]
      #349337 - 17/01/21 03:10 AM

The issue of the stainless filler metal in the bolt handle welds would most easily be fixed by grinding or filing or milling the welds out completely and then welding them back with the right filler metal.

I'd do one side at a time so that you don't have to hold it in a fixture for the replacement welds.

Then it's done.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: tinker]
      #349350 - 17/01/21 06:24 AM

you are right

we allready talking about this here

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: rodmkr]
      #349419 - 19/01/21 04:45 AM

Quote:

Lancaster,
I do not want to hijack your thread but wanted to ask a question
about the Carcano as it is the only thread I have ever seen about
sportering one.

I have a model 91/38 that is 7 .35 and want to sporter it.
Was thinking of using the T38 Arasaki bottom metal for it.
Do you think it will fit?
If so it will give me a flat bottom and I will not have to
use the clips to load the mag.

Any ideas ?

Jim
aka: rodmkr




Two points, rodmkr: First, I hope you're not proposing to chop up an original-condition military Carcano. The days of vandalizing military collectibles to provide raw materials for deer rifles is long over, even if it's a model of rifle for which a lot of people seem to have little respect. As Lancaster has shown us here, there are plenty of already-butchered rifles around to turn into silk purses! The idiots who like to say, "I own it, it's up to me what I do with it." are nothing more than drool-covered morons with no respect for history. One doesn't "own" history, but is merely a caretaker of the moment.

(For the record, I've no interest myself in collecting military-pattern rifles. I've owned and worked on many rifles made from milsurps, especially P-14/M1917's, but I would never ruin one. Everything I've touched has been "pre-Bubba'd" back in the old days of picking any one you want out of a barrel for $19.95.)

Second, you might want to think about other makes of bottom metal, if the Arisaka isn't a direct bolt-in. There's already considerable work to do on the Arisaka to fix the hideous square trigger guard. It might be easier just to find something with pleasing lines that you could modify, even cut and weld on either a piece from a different floorplate, or even flat stock and shape it. In for a penny, in for a pound...

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: vykkagur]
      #349459 - 20/01/21 02:32 AM

Vykkagur,

It was a $20 dollar junker to start with.
I was not the person who bubbad it.
The barrel is good and that is the only reason I purchased it.
Was unable to find a different barrel and Granddaughter likes it as is
due to low recoil.


rodmkr

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: rodmkr]
      #349460 - 20/01/21 03:28 AM

the easiest way would be to copy the britisch mannlicher rifles with the scope on a side mount on the left side of the action so you can still load the rifle with clips

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: rodmkr]
      #349461 - 20/01/21 03:48 AM

Quote:

Vykkagur,

It was a $20 dollar junker to start with.
I was not the person who bubbad it.
The barrel is good and that is the only reason I purchased it.
Was unable to find a different barrel and Granddaughter likes it as is
due to low recoil.


rodmkr




Thanks rodmkr, that's a relief. Sounds like the perfect candidate then.

I agree with Lancaster re the side mount scope. If you use my favourite, the Pachmayr Lo-Swing, you can have both centerline sighting, and access for clip loading. Quick(ish) detaching, as well.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: vykkagur]
      #349462 - 20/01/21 04:25 AM

ok, I have the scope on claw mount in centerline with the action but this was because of CZ magazine in the end.
my original plan was to use the 7,62x39 with clips and the scope on the side.
well, it did not work this way and I was opportunistic enough to change.

if I hade build a carcano sporter in .35 remington with clip loading the british mannlicher 92/93/95 would have been the model for this.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
      #349463 - 20/01/21 05:38 AM

Interesting suggestion, a .35 Rem. would be a very good deer and bear ctg. & moose/elk in the bush.
One of the US writers did an article on a bolt actioned .35 Rem. once - might have been Carmichel. Seems to me he was running 200gr RN's and SP's at about 2,300fps.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: DarylS]
      #349476 - 20/01/21 09:36 AM

Now we're getting into the territory of our friend, yumastepside. He had a .35 Carcano project he was considering. Sort of a stretched/blown out .35 Remington. Not sure how far he's gone with it; he has a pretty full plate.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: vykkagur]
      #349496 - 20/01/21 06:07 PM

....full plate? I've progressed to several platters.....still working on it, one of my Carcano actions will be rebarrelled with a .358 barrel cut with a 6.5x54 reamer and cut the neck with a .358 neck and throat reamer....the 6.5x54 necked out to 35 cal. is only slightly smaller than the 358 Win.



L-R 35 Rem. 35 Carcano 30-30

Roger

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Edited by yumastepside (20/01/21 06:32 PM)

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: yumastepside]
      #349497 - 20/01/21 06:16 PM

A mate in Vermont has a Carcano in 35 Remington.....re-barrel, cut chamber, no other changes with 5 rounds in the original en-bloc clips.

My other Carcano has .264 barrel from a 6.5x55 and re-chambered to 6.5x54, Mannlicher stock and hopefully soon, double set triggers. The stock at the moment is made from a .22 stock and the original ( already butchered ) Carcano stock that I will have copied when I'm happy with it.



....still a lot of wood to remove on the fore-end...

Roger

Edited by yumastepside (20/01/21 06:29 PM)

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: yumastepside]
      #349501 - 20/01/21 07:05 PM

Still working on the double set triggers, Roger, never fear!

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