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sparks1
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Lyman 36
#227858 - 02/04/13 12:25 PM

So here I was at an antique firearms show last weekend, and on a table I spy a Lyman 36 sight for the Mannlicher Schoenauer. It was one for the later models, or so I think.

But...it did not have the Lyman logo or name on it. It was in excellent condition, a bit sticky on the bolt return but I imagine it would take some cleaning and oil to make it snap back into place. I did not spring for the item as I thought it might be a knockoff.

Did I miss an opportunity is my question.

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Re: Lyman 36 [Re: sparks1]
#227861 - 02/04/13 01:20 PM

My wife's grandfather has a MS from the 50's, came from the factory with the bolt peep sight option.
I don't recall if it was marked at all -- the sight you saw might have come from Lyman directly to the factory without trade marks.
Next time I see the family MS I'll look closer, possibly someone here can share details from their own collection.

Where in the US are you located?

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Re: Lyman 36 [Re: tinker]
#227862 - 02/04/13 01:29 PM

Don't know for positive but the ones for the 1903 style didn't say "LYMAN" but would have had the "deer jumping into the ghost ring" logo on them

Again, there may be variations but the 1950 sight would say "LYMAN" across the bottom of the slide

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Edited by CptCurl (07/06/13 06:59 AM)

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Re: Lyman 36 [Re: Caprivi]
#227863 - 02/04/13 01:32 PM

Oh' forgot to add, if it was usable and less than 350-400.00us then, Yes, you "Did I miss an opportunity"................:):):)...........been there

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Re: Lyman 36 [Re: Caprivi]
#227864 - 02/04/13 01:42 PM

It would have fit my 1950 .257 Roberts carbine. No stag jumping or the Lyman logo.

$300.00 asking price. Will see him in a few weeks at another show. He may still have it then. ( I hope) I'm in Minnesota.

I think it would be a great addition to the carbine for hunting purposes. I would have to slightly modify the stock for it to fit over the bolt release. (remove about 1/8" of wood forward of the release lever)
Will it work properly with the existing front sight? Rifle is unaltered now, no scope mounts etc. Would hate to devalue this by adding the sight, but am liking the longer sight radius and quick target acquisition via rear peep. It looks like the top photo, only it does not have the rounded part to fit the older bolt releases.

Thank you

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Re: Lyman 36 [Re: sparks1]
#227867 - 02/04/13 02:47 PM

300.00 is probably fair if you can identify it and it is decent.

I have used one on a 1905, but the rear sight was removed and the front sight may have been a replacement ...???... don't know

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Re: Lyman 36 [Re: Caprivi]
#228000 - 04/04/13 12:18 PM

Back in the 80's I think, James Wisner,Precise Metalsmithing Enterprises in Washington state made "Knock Off" copies of the Lyman 36, can't remember if they were Pre or Post War models. If your familar with his work as a custom metalsmith, his copies were better than originals. Maybe 150-160 a copy back then. He answers posts over on Accurate Reloading Gunsmithing if it might help.
Bob

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Re: Lyman 36 [Re: LongIsland]
#228111 - 05/04/13 12:59 PM

Interesting note to "knockoffs" Bob. Thanks for the information.

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Re: Lyman 36 [Re: sparks1]
#230080 - 14/05/13 03:10 PM

A few year ago an early Mannlicher sporter (dutch I think) with one of these Lyman sights mounted on it, languished in a local shop for months. I had yet to buy my first Mannlicher so I did not know they were worth any real $$$. The price for the rifle, which was in very good condition, with the sight was $125. And yes, that is the sound of me kicking myself!

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Re: Lyman 36 [Re: Wurger]
#230109 - 15/05/13 11:41 AM

So many people have no idea of the value of some of these old sights. Its worth keeping your eyes open. I picked up an Imman. Meffert 30-06 Mauser with a Lyman 35 for a song, a few months back. I look at it as a free rifle, essentially.

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Re: Lyman 36 [Re: Even]
#230776 - 02/06/13 10:38 AM

I guess I never posted the results....Saw the guy again and bought the Lyman 36. Also contacted Jim Wisner and got some of his mounting screws. ( He had a couple left) According to him not all Lyman's were marked with their logo, and he was sure it not his. So it is an original Lyman.

Still waiting for some time to mount it on the MS. Been busy with an M95 Dutch Mannlicher lately, forming brass from .303 British and all that. I had to get some taller Mauser sight blades, as the M95 zeroes at 300m, and I want a 100 yd zero.

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Re: Lyman 36 [Re: sparks1]
#241197 - 26/01/14 04:35 PM

This is an interesting post as I was looking for information on the Lyman 36 sight on my 1905 MS. I believe it is a early one and the rifle also has a Lyman front sight with an Ivory bead. can anyone confirm that this is an early 36 sight? Thanks, Steve

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Re: Lyman 36 [Re: stevenjay1]
#241961 - 08/02/14 02:57 AM

More views of the sight would help but, from what I can see, it does look like a Lyman #36.

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