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Dear Daryl!

I completely understand your concern. I am also often surprised, shocked even by a lot of things. Lately I was surprised, shocked even by Robert Mugabe, Toyota manual gearbox, Apple Q3 earnings, voltage oscillations in my Sansui stereo , Amateur category on Pornhub, and the new Bruce Springsteen album.

I personally like being surprised, it is always a new experience, and I like new experiences. I also like dark chocolate, single malt, public drunkenness, and Porsche cars. I bet you like some of these things too. See, these things we call bonds. They may be weird or awkward, but they are real, so don't try to fight it.

Let me tell you, being surprised is a natural reaction. It is the same feeling you get when that weird uncle we all have hugs you from behind, or as a serial philanderer you come to realize you are divorcing in a No-fault state.

So, what we learned here is there are good and bad surprises. Also there are good and bad Origami pots, but that is another subject.

Basically, what I was telling you is that it was a headshot. I didn't do it, and would never try something like that. I use Hornet for Varmmint on short ranges. I said it can and was done by a professional who ran out of bullets and had to shoot a wounded animal. European game is much smaller,and less dangerous than other Continents, so the calibers are smaller and less lethal. Double rifles are a passion. Calibers are just numbers.

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Question- can someone explain the European desire for the downloaded version of the .22 Hornet tht is prevelent there - ie: 2,400fps with 45gr. bullet. What is the game the ctg. is used for? Black grouse?

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Question- can someone explain the European desire for the downloaded version of the .22 Hornet tht is prevelent there - ie: 2,400fps with 45gr. bullet. What is the game the ctg. is used for? Black grouse?

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Hi Daryl, just wrote about this "problem" in "Waidmannsheil" #48, the bulletin of the German Gun Collectors http://www.germanguns.com/ : The .22 Hornet is used in Germany mostly as a target cartridge according to the rules of the German hunters association/DJV, so the European companies load it for accuracy at 100 m, not velocity. So they stick to the original velocity. Remember, the "2400" powder was originally designed to achieve this velocity in the Hornet. It is rarely used for a fox, crow or badger here.

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kuduae,

I am not convinced with your explanation. Certainly the Hornet is used a lot in the hunters' competition (DJV Schiessen) in Germany. It is funny though that in my Bavarian Homeland the .222 Remington appeared more often, while the Hornet is predominant in Northern Germany.

But I have never seen a Ferlach combination gun used in such competition.
BTW, Austrian hunters have different competitions and rules, to my knowledge there the Hornet is not allowed.

I will follow Daryl's reasoning: the Hornet in combination guns is fine for small game where you want to avoid a big hole: winter foxes for the pelt, the "kitchen hare", black grouse and capercaillie for trophy mounting...
Too much velocity is bad then.
Further the Hornet is often used in insert barrels for the Drilling's shotgun tube.
I am certainly no expert with these contraptions, but until some years ago the Hornet was considered the maximum in a insert barrel.

Regards,
fuhrmann

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