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NSW_HUNTER
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      #179514 - 20/04/11 05:58 PM

Hello
I just recently purchased my first Mannlicher a 1910 take down in 9.5x57 (haven't got it shipped yet) I would like a little help from any members who have experience with this cal and gun any help with the questions below would be a great help cheers.

? whats the best method you use to form brass
? What load do you use and how has it peformed for you
? do you need to use round nose bullets to get the ms magazine to feed properly


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Re: ? For 9.5x57 owners [Re: NSW_HUNTER]
      #179523 - 20/04/11 08:53 PM

^

I now use 9.3 Bertram brass though I started out 25 yrs ago with 8mm Mauser and the expansion ball shortened the neck length greatly.

Remember old MS rifling was quite pronounced so measurement is recommended.

44 to 45 gns MAX of 2206 (3031 equiv) with 270gn RN Woodleigh (Hornady for range work). Your mileage may vary so start at 42gns and tread carefully. I started at 42 gns for only 1850fps.

Check the COAL against the chamber by loading dummy rounds.

RN only though most blunt nose 235 grainers can work. Recoil with 300 grainers may split what is a very thin stock so I'd recommend 270 gn pills max.

Opinion only so once again, safety first.


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Re: ? For 9.5x57 owners [Re: kamilaroi]
      #179526 - 20/04/11 09:11 PM

Gentlemen,

I purchsed an used Steyr GK Stutzen in 9,5x57 M. Sch. together with ammunition which consisted of enlarged 9,3x57 Norma cases and Hornady 270grs Spire point bullets seated below cannelure (feeds perfectly, not yet tested for velocity)

My ammunition was assembled with ch4 dies, Horneber cases and Sierra 200grs FP, Delsing SPRN and Hornady 270grs Spire point bullets.
Velocity testing showed that Kemira N140 is too slow for the 270grs Hornady, velocity was about 520 m/s with very good precision and a comfortable recoil.
RWS/Dynamit Nobel powder R902 together with Delsing 270grs SPRN was measured with 560 m/s.
(no max loads)

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Rolf


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Re: ? For 9.5x57 owners [Re: NSW_HUNTER]
      #179529 - 20/04/11 09:58 PM

NSW_HUNTER , I bet you just bought my (by my , I mean should have been) 375Express off Noel ?

That was just what I was after to , 20in barrel & English proof ?

Looks nice , I hope she works well for you !

Cheers


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Re: ? For 9.5x57 owners [Re: Sarg]
      #179530 - 20/04/11 10:36 PM

Sorry Sarg I beat you to it called him early in the morningafter my mate saw
the ad and called me knowing I was after one ill post some pics and a range report after t arrives

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Re: ? For 9.5x57 owners [Re: NSW_HUNTER]
      #179532 - 21/04/11 12:31 AM

I suggest you first neck the brass up straight,then use a Full Length sizing die adjusted long at first, successively lower to neck the cases back down to proper length to get what is called a 'crush' fit - ie; tight fit when closing the bolt. This will ensure the brass fits perfectly before a shot is fired. The reason for doing this is to ensure your brass lasts almost indefinitely.

The reason for I do this, is so the brass never stretches at the web, as it will if there is even a bit of headspace slop.

9.3x57 data will give you a very good place to start. If you go to www.gunboards.com then to the Swedish Military and Civilian Ctg. forum, you'll find a sticky thread at the top entitled 9.3x57 loads. There is a lot of data in there that will get you started on just about any powder easily available to you.

This case uses medium burning powders the best, in ball/spherical or stick - ie: H335, BLC2, H4895, Varget, the ADI equivalents of the H's, IMR4064, IMR4320, IMR3031.

These pictures how the one-step opening up of the neck on 8x57 RP brass, then sizing down to get a proper fit. Note the properly sized and 'fitted case' has a shoulder height that is .019" higher than a simply necked up case. To fire a simply necked up case in this rifle, would have stretched the case badly at the web, and it would have failed/split into 2 pieces in 2 to 4 firings. The .019" headspace of this rifle is excessive, but totally safe with properly fitted ammo.

The case on the left is a brand new 8x57RP case. The next one is a factory 8x57 case necked up to take a 366" bullet.
The third case is the 8x57 case necked straight in one pass with Imperial die wax or STOS used as an inside neck lube. the 4th case is one necked to properly fit the chamber of my rifle - a light, crush fit. Note the length of the neck compared to the 2nd case. It is .019" shorter and is easily seen. This rifle has excessive headspace and requires this type of case prep be done. Since I modified the .44 mag expander plug for this job, I initially form all my 9.3x62, 9.3x57, and .375/06IMp brass this way when making brass. After this step is done once, it does not need to be done again - after the initial fireforming, I neck size or partically FL size only. I never have to touch the shoulder again - no bumping, no FL sizing, brass is always an easy fit.




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Re: ? For 9.5x57 owners [Re: DarylS]
      #179540 - 21/04/11 05:27 AM

I form my 9.5x57M-Sch aka .375 rimless NE cases from W-W or S&B 30-06 brass, trimmed to 57mm of course. Merely necking up 8x57 or 9.3x57 brass led to problems from excessive headspace. For more on my rifle and load see:
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=173003&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1


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Re: ? For 9.5x57 owners [Re: kuduae]
      #179549 - 21/04/11 08:15 AM

When forming 9.3x57's from .30/06, I had to turn the case necks. If you have a sloppy chamber, this might not be necessary. My 9.3 has a very tight neck, the body is oversize in length is all - which of course, is excessive headspace. Opening up the necks fist will eliminate the headspace problem of merely necking up 8x57, and also eliminate having to trim to length and possibly neck turn or inside neck ream.

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Re: ? For 9.5x57 owners [Re: NSW_HUNTER]
      #179650 - 22/04/11 11:55 PM

Good luck. I turned down a pair of M-S's years ago and one was a 9.5mm. Still regret it.

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Re: ? For 9.5x57 owners [Re: DarylS]
      #179865 - 24/04/11 08:18 PM

Quote:

When forming 9.3x57's from .30/06, I had to turn the case necks.



It depends on case brand. I wrote I use either Winchester-Western or Sellier & Bellot 30-06 brass for reforming and shortening to 9.5x57. On these brands case wall thickness tapers very gradually through wall, shoulder and neck, so no neck turning or reaming is necessary. RWS cases, on the other hand, have a thin neck and a sudden increase to the shoulder. These form a sort of "donut" around the new neck, if the shoulder is set back. Consequently reformed RWS brass would require neck reaming or -turning, so I don't use such brass. Other case brands may be in-between, but I have not tried them, as once-fired S&B 30-06 brass is plentiful on any German range and available for the picking-up.


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Re: ? For 9.5x57 owners [Re: kuduae]
      #209708 - 01/06/12 05:20 AM

Just picked up a MS Model 1910 9.5X57 and have been working on loading for it. Using WW 8X57 and found set of 9.5X57 dies but had trouble with bullet diameter. Had my friend cerosafe chamber and bore. Came up with .381 diameter. Not withstanding could not find bullets that size and he recommended not using .375 with full house loads because gas leak would erode bore quickly. He turned a cherry and cut me a set of molds that produce a beautiful 333gr .381 bullet. Put it thru a sizing die, lubed and loaded with IMR Trailboss. Ready to go shoot today, will take pics and post results later.
Really excited about this range trip. Will share my data and other information along with my 9.3X57 Husky data as soon as I get it together.

Any recommendations on loads?????????

Jim
U.S. Army (Retired)

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Re: ? For 9.5x57 owners [Re: Jomx2]
      #209796 - 02/06/12 12:22 AM

Jim - your TBoss loads will probably only run you in the 900 to 1,000fps range.

I suspect the bore is probably normal, ie: .366"???? This, of course makes for every deep grooves - which is the same scenario as my 9.3x57 Husky. It has a .370" groove diameter, .356" bore, giving .007" groove depth.

If yours has a typical .366" bore, then it's rifling is .075" deep. My 9.3 shoots amazingly well with undersized .365" and .366" bullets - under 1/2" & up to 3/4" with most bullet weights.

Perhaps you can try a few normal loads with jacketed, just to see how it shoots and save those for hunting, relying on cast for plinking.

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Re: ? For 9.5x57 owners [Re: DarylS]
      #211369 - 23/06/12 04:03 AM

Current date, camera date old.

333gr lead bullet for 9.5X57. Special made mold to fit exact chamber casting.
Below bullet passed thru 16 wet phone books and a piece of 3/4 plywood.



Will post additional date as available.

Again, this is from a Model 1910 Mannlicher Schenauer 9.5X57.


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Re: ? For 9.5x57 owners [Re: Jomx2]
      #211389 - 23/06/12 09:50 AM

Gadzooks, that great looking bullet and it must be as hard as a tax collector's heart. Looks like it could be loaded again. What is the alloy?

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Re: ? For 9.5x57 owners [Re: JDL]
      #211420 - 23/06/12 11:55 PM

Not a whole lot of shoulder on that case, Jomx2 - is it a fireformed case from your chamber or merely necked up? 8x57

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Re: ? For 9.5x57 owners [Re: DarylS]
      #211434 - 24/06/12 03:24 AM

I wish mine would get here. I've been waiting for about 6 months already. Mine was retailed by Westley. I went online and found 100 NOS .375 rimless and 50 once fired and 100 new 9.5x57 cases which I snapped up for $50. Found a set of used CH4D dies for $35 the same day. That made my day.




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