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a Holland&Holland Mannlicher
#177818 - 29/03/11 05:51 AM

a mannlicher in 6,5x53R the rifle was found in the H&H records for the year 1913. on the rifle: "Shot and sighted by Holland&Holland 98 New Bond Street London"
68 cm long barrel and express sights up to 1000 yard. anyone knows the peep sight? it dont looks like H&H craftmannsship

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Re: a Holland&Holland Mannlicher [Re: lancaster]
#177820 - 29/03/11 06:16 AM

Shot and sighted generally means they bought it, shot it, sighted it added a margin and sold it.

You see it on Shotguns as well.

Sight doesn't look Holland"ish".

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Re: a Holland&Holland Mannlicher [Re: 500Nitro]
#177852 - 29/03/11 06:25 PM

do you think they also added a margin for sighting a shotgun

this would be not realy like a gentleman
here http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....e=0&fpart=1
is another "Holland&Holland" mannlicher

but who made it? webley?

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Re: a Holland&Holland Mannlicher [Re: lancaster]
#177854 - 29/03/11 06:29 PM

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but who made it? webley?

If it's a Mannlicher with Steyr on the action side (as per photo), I think Steyr.

I am not an expert but I didn't think they exported just actions to gun firms.

Maybe a Mauser / Mannlicher expert could answer that.

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Re: a Holland&Holland Mannlicher [Re: 500Nitro]
#177855 - 29/03/11 06:54 PM

yes, steyr make the action but who made this sporter is the question if H&H only sold it. I have allways heard that steyr made some thousend military rifle's to much when working for romania and this rifle's or actions or barreled actions were sold to everyone.
if H&H dont finish this actions someone in Birmingham have done it I guess.

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Re: a Holland&Holland Mannlicher [Re: lancaster]
#177892 - 30/03/11 07:32 AM

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yes, steyr make the action but who made this sporter is the question if H&H only sold it.

I'm speaking a little out of turn here because I can't comment directly on Steyr (or Mannlichers) but H&H purchased Winchester lever actions, fitted them with Express sights of H&H's design, marked the barrels as mentioned ("Sighted, Shot, and Regulated...") and sold them in their Bond Street shop in the late 1800's. With the exception of refinishing the metal after sights were installed & markings added, all work was completed by the Winchester factory. Occassionally H&H added covers to the lever or recoil pads of their own design, but they didn't do the stock work, barreling, etc.

I would assume that these bolt actions were sold under the same or a similar structure.

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Re: a Holland&Holland Mannlicher [Re: taw1126]
#177896 - 30/03/11 07:58 AM

taw

I tend to agree. The only exception to this is they MAY have got guns stocked in England (not saying this one in particular but others) as this is a personal thing.

Maybe the proof marks will show something. I am assuming that
if the gun was made in Germany or where ever it had proof marks before leaving, then MAYBE re proofed in the UK.

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Re: a Holland&Holland Mannlicher [Re: 500Nitro]
#177899 - 30/03/11 09:22 AM

The original rear sight mounted on the barrel is very British ,a lot of Lee Speeds use the same sight.The peep sight looks to be an after market job ,it's fitting into the stock doesn't look to be of the quality you would expect from H&H.

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Re: a Holland&Holland Mannlicher [Re: darwinmauser]
#177996 - 31/03/11 03:04 AM

Thanks for posting. Some good ideas on this thread for my future 6.5x53R Steyr project.

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Re: a Holland&Holland Mannlicher [Re: darwinmauser]
#178007 - 31/03/11 05:36 AM

The receiver sight appears to be a Lyman No.22 Receiver Sight for Mannlicher Sporting Rifles. This sight was patented on Apr. 14, 1896 and was discontinued in 1919.

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Re: a Holland&Holland Mannlicher [Re: Carpetsahib]
#178019 - 31/03/11 06:43 AM

AFAIK the British imported the Dutch M95 Mannlichers as complete military rifles and sporterized them to varying degrees. They always replaced the sights. On cheaper grades they merely sporterized the original miltary stocks without pistol grip, shortenig them, sometimes fitting foreend tips and adding some checkering. More expensive grades were restocked. There are two distinctive styles of Brit stocks for the M95 Mannlicher: George Gibbs of Bristol was a large-scale importer. The 6.5x53R cartridge was also known as .256 Gibbs rimmed. The Gibbs stock style is very distinctive, see here:
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=167792&an=0&page=1#Post167792
Many others were stocked in Birmingham for the British trade. These "Birmingham style" stocks were f.i. offered in the Jeffery's 1910 catalog, but also offered by other "name" makers, like Holland & Holland in this case.

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Re: a Holland&Holland Mannlicher [Re: kuduae]
#178020 - 31/03/11 06:47 AM

kuduae

That's interesting.

Gibbs certainly did do a lot of them as you see them quite often.

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Re: a Holland&Holland Mannlicher [Re: 500Nitro]
#178023 - 31/03/11 07:34 AM

Here are two cuts from the 1910 Jeffery's catalog and my no-name "Birmingham or Jeffery style" rifle. Md.1892 Roumanian action dated Steyr 1893, Birmingham proof. The barrel has been shortened to 20" and the bolthandle changed some time on this one.

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