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Ripp
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A look-back-at-the-Winchester-model-1907-rifle
      #309902 - 04/01/18 01:32 AM

https://www.americanrifleman.org/article...m_campaign=0118

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Re: A look-back-at-the-Winchester-model-1907-rifle [Re: Ripp]
      #309914 - 04/01/18 05:35 AM

A friends father of mine that was a corrections officer in Quebec had one of these, I always thought they where super cool.

Fun to shoot and equivalent of a 357 Mag on terminal performance I think.

He retired this and went to a Ruger 44 Deerslayer in the late 60s or early 70s if memory serves.

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Re: A look-back-at-the-Winchester-model-1907-rifle [Re: Rell]
      #309938 - 04/01/18 01:03 PM

I think Remington doomed the 1907 right from the start, with John Browning's Model 8, which appeared about the same time. They weren't any heavier, but handled a good range of much more potent and flatter shooting cartridges.

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Re: A look-back-at-the-Winchester-model-1907-rifle [Re: Rell]
      #309945 - 04/01/18 02:31 PM

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He retired this and went to a Ruger 44 Deerslayer in the late 60s or early 70s if memory serves.




I wouldn't mind owning a Ruger M44 'International' (stutzen).


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Ripp
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Re: A look-back-at-the-Winchester-model-1907-rifle [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #309955 - 05/01/18 01:12 AM

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He retired this and went to a Ruger 44 Deerslayer in the late 60s or early 70s if memory serves.




I wouldn't mind owning a Ruger M44 'International' (stutzen).





I actually owned one of those back in the early '90's chambered in .270Winchester..nice feeling rifle but was horribly inaccurate...sold it as a result..plus I didn't like the caliber..

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Re: A look-back-at-the-Winchester-model-1907-rifle [Re: Ripp]
      #309969 - 05/01/18 05:52 AM

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He retired this and went to a Ruger 44 Deerslayer in the late 60s or early 70s if memory serves.




I wouldn't mind owning a Ruger M44 'International' (stutzen).





I actually owned one of those back in the early '90's chambered in .270Winchester..nice feeling rifle but was horribly inaccurate...sold it as a result..plus I didn't like the caliber..

Ripp




I own one, a 1983 .243 with tang safety. Not horribly inaccurate, but not as good as it could be.

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Re: A look-back-at-the-Winchester-model-1907-rifle [Re: DarylS]
      #310016 - 06/01/18 12:21 AM

The American Rifleman article was half-a**ed at best. The 1907 gets short-shrift every time somebody has written an article about it. It most definitely did not give way to the Thompson. By many accounts gangsters and lawmen wanted to use the 1907 because it was effective, far beyond paper ballistics, didn't jam like the Thompson, and didn't use the 45acp cartridge that would bounce off car doors and bullet proof vests. I own four of these rifles and have strong feelings about them.

When I was looking for info. about the 1907, it seemed like everything I read had something about how both lawmen and law-breakers used the rifle before WWII but with few details. So just how popular was the 1907? The following is what I have see thus far about who used this rifle for good or evil in the 1930s:

Dillinger gang - 2 found at the Congress Hotel and 1 in JD's car when they arrested him in Tucson
- Eddie Green - member of the gang - found a 1907 in his apartment after a shootout in St. Paul
- Little Bohemia Lodge - a 1907 was left behind when the gang scattered during the shootout
- Homer van Meter - member of the gang - the 1907 was his favorite - apparently with a Thompson-like forearm and Cutts compensator along with at least a 10-round mag

Baby Face Nelson - used one to kill two G-men in a car chase in 1934 - apparently there is mounting evidence that Baby Face's Thompson jammed and he then picked up a Lebman-modified 1907 to kill the two Gmen on the night he was mortally wounded.

Russell Gibson - member of Karpis/Barker gang killed by a 1907 used by Doc White. At least one of the six .351 rounds fired punched through his bullet proof vest.

Alvin Karpis - arrested by G-man named Hurt who was carring a 1907

Alva Hunt/Hugh Gant gang - had a 1907 when they were captured in Florida in 1938

Bonnie and Clyde left a 1907 behind after a shootout (I'm still working on the details of this one). Also Clyde apparently gave Ray Hamilton two 1907s as parting gifts when they split up.

Harvey Bailey - member of Machine Gun Kelly's gang - captured holding 1907 while asleep on a porch in Texas.

Fred Burke - supposedly responsible for St Valentine's Day Massacre and Al Capone associate - a 1907 was found in his gun cache when police raided his bungalow in 1929. These guns were thought to have been used in the massacre! So it's possible a 1907 was used in the most infamous mass murder during the gangster era!!

Fred (and Ma) Barker might have been shot with one - Doc White had his 351 at the shootout and was firing at Fred through the front windows.

The good guys liked them too with members of the following organizations:

Texas Rangers - George Chapman carried one.
Border Patrol - Charles Askins carried one and wrote in one of his books that the rangers bought these with their own money which speaks volumes about their opinion of the 1907.
FBI - Walter Walsh and Doc White each carried one.

The 1907 was at least as popular as the TSMG. Also, by just about every account out there, a 1907 was NOT present at the ambush of Bonnie and Clyde.

As several people have put it, this was the original urban carbine.

It was also great to see two of these used in "The Son." The only other movie that I can think of that has the 1907 in it was "Public Enemy."

Photobucket is not cooperating so I'll have to post photos later.



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Re: A look-back-at-the-Winchester-model-1907-rifle [Re: Levallois]
      #310018 - 06/01/18 12:46 AM

This is my 1907 with British proofs and a bayonet lug possibly used in WWI.




My deluxe 1907 with a few 10-round magazines.



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Re: A look-back-at-the-Winchester-model-1907-rifle [Re: Levallois]
      #310030 - 06/01/18 05:08 AM

I always felt the Model 1910, 401 would have made a decent rifle.
200gr. at about 2,140fps.

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Re: A look-back-at-the-Winchester-model-1907-rifle [Re: DarylS]
      #310049 - 06/01/18 11:52 AM

Love that delux 1907!

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Re: A look-back-at-the-Winchester-model-1907-rifle [Re: DarylS]
      #310051 - 06/01/18 12:54 PM

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I always felt the Model 1910, 401 would have made a decent rifle.
200gr. at about 2,140fps.




I know Manton imported some 1910s into India. Five rounds of the 250 grain bullet at 1900fps (one in the chamber and four in the magazine) with a couple of spare 4-round mags would have provided some impressive firepower. I just obtained a 1910 but have not fired it yet.

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Re: A look-back-at-the-Winchester-model-1907-rifle [Re: Levallois]
      #310059 - 06/01/18 04:44 PM

Good post & info Levallois, thank you for the effort, they used to near give away 05-07 here but Mod 10's had a value, was always going to get one but never did ! (ammo, but you can make it easy out of 7.62X39 now days, so I hear ?)

I still have the 375Ex I got off you, love that one & thank you for it again !


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Re: A look-back-at-the-Winchester-model-1907-rifle [Re: Sarg]
      #310096 - 07/01/18 11:26 PM

Thanks Sarg, glad you still like the 375Ex. I’ve got to look into reloading the .401. Don’t want to use my collectible ammo as I think all of it was made before 1936.

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