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Rolf
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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: DarylS]
      #302476 - 28/06/17 08:28 PM

Gentlemen,

I use two rifles (Mauser 98) in 9,3x57 and I am very fond of the caliber for delivering some punch and also because of the soft recoil (due to the CIP pressure limit which I have to obey).

Measured velocities (in 560mm/22" barrel):

RWS 225 grs Doppelkern with Kemira N130 powder: 710 m/s
very good effect on roe deer and Fox

Norma 232 grs PPC Vulcan with Kemira N130 powder: 710 m/s
very good effect on roe deer

Speer 270 grs SPRN with Kemira N140 powder: 650 m/s
very good precision on 50m and 100m, only used as a training bullet

Geco 285grs SPRN with Kemira N140: 610 m/s
I think this bullet weight is to slow in this cartridge

beste regards
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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: Rolf]
      #302576 - 01/07/17 03:05 AM

Hello again Rolf.

I also find the 270 gr Speer good only for paper and practice. I have killed 121 deer and antelope with it and so far I have not seen good performance with it and sometimes it was awful.

The one I read about and hear about is the Norma 232 grain and that's one I am quite interested in. Also the Fox 220 grain bullet may have a lot of merit in the 9.3X57, but so far I have no feed-back or reports about it at all. I am most interested in the 220-250 grain range for use in my 9.3X57 for use on all game animals but specifically large game animals from 400 pounds up to about 800 pounds. Elk and large bears.

Do you have any experience with the depth of penetration I can expect with either one of those bullets?
Both elk and grizzly bears have thick muscles and large strong bones, so I want to hear about your experience with these bullet (or reports from anyone you know that has experience)

In the USA we have the Nosler bonded 250 grain bullets also, and they may be excellent in the 9.3X57. I hope so, but before I go and buy 1000 bullets I want to know that i will not be disappointed.

When I got my 9.3X74R Ruger #1, I bought 600 (12 boxes) Speer 270 grain bullets, and I don't want to repeat that mistake. I still use them, but only for setting sights on custom rifles and for practice shooting. I have found their accuracy to be outstanding, but that's the only good thing I can say about them.

I find the 286 gr. Nosler partitions to be excellent in the Ruger for everything from small to large game and also in the 9.3X62, but I wonder how well these big bullets will work at the slower speed of the 9.3X57.

I am guessing the 9.3X57 may be better mated to a lighter bullet. I am still experimenting at this point in time.


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szihn
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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: szihn]
      #303311 - 26/07/17 12:14 AM

I hope to use one of these powders in my coming 9.3X57:
Accurate 2230, H4895, H322, WW748 IMR3031 or Accurate RL10X.

Here is the project so far.

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Now I have to make the under-lug, both front and rear sling swivels, silver grip cap, and silver nose cap.
I am debating if I should install a pad or a checkered steel butt plate.

Butt plates are classier, but a pad may be appreciated if I run 250 grain bullets at 2300 FPS. .


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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: szihn]
      #303351 - 27/07/17 07:24 AM

Hogging out wood.
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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: szihn]
      #303356 - 27/07/17 07:54 AM

looking good there szihn!

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szihn
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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: 93x64mm]
      #303506 - 02/08/17 10:05 AM

Did more work. Made a silver nose cap and grip cap, installed a butt plate and hogged off more wood.

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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: szihn]
      #303507 - 02/08/17 12:16 PM

Your stock work is looking good. I have always liked the rounded pistol grips and side panels on the older stocks. I once tried shaping a full length stock with a false schnable, like yours, but mind ended up looking more like a foreskin. I never did finish that stock.

Vlad


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szihn
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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: Vladymere]
      #303510 - 02/08/17 01:20 PM

If you still have it send pictures and I'll talk you through it. Once you see where to cut you'll find it's not hard.

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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: Vladymere]
      #303513 - 02/08/17 07:50 PM

That would be interesting to see, I have never seen a foreskin stock.

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szihn
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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #303519 - 03/08/17 12:32 AM

Note to all, and to Rolf especially.
I just noticed I made a typo and I wrote I have killed 121 deer with the Speer 270 grain bullet. That's supposed to be 12, not 121.


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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: szihn]
      #303551 - 03/08/17 08:29 AM


Well it's nearly time to start finish work. The last of the metal work will be to make the swivel for the front and a swivel and stud for the back. Next I'll put a scope on the rifle and find an accurate load. Next I'll remove the scope and using that load, I'll zero the rear sight at distances from100 to 500 yards. That's after I make a permanent front sight.

That will complete the metal work expect for the polishing. I'll them sand and finish the wood. When the stock is 100% done I'll polish the metal, do the engraving and then blue.

Last............go hunting with it.



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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: szihn]
      #303555 - 03/08/17 08:57 AM

Looking good Steve!

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szihn
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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #304070 - 15/08/17 10:33 AM

Well I have 2 coats of finish on the wood now. I expect to have it done in about 1 week. I also need to polish and blue the steel and engrave the bottom metal.

Should be a good hunting rifle pretty soon.


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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: szihn]
      #304082 - 16/08/17 02:23 AM

Going to be a nice carry rifle, Steve. Did you or are you going to checker it?

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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: DarylS]
      #304094 - 16/08/17 09:41 AM

Hi Darly


Yeah I'll have to get it all scratched up in the future, but I would bet it won't be until after the new year. I will scratch up the metal soon however. I think I'll engrave before I blue. After shines a bit more, but if I engrave before the 'scratchin' weathers better


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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: szihn]
      #304302 - 20/08/17 09:16 AM

OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA by Steve Zihn, on Flickr
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Still need to make the carry strap and install a scope. I'll get the checkeringdone hopefull this winter.


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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: szihn]
      #304571 - 28/08/17 01:50 AM

Ok, I will have this rifle scoped and ready to do load work with this week. When I find a good accurate load with the scope, I'll then remove it and zero the irons with that load. I'll then replace the scope.

I am going to make a sizing die from a 7/8X14 bolt, drilled and reamed to .366" and then drilled 3/4 through that hole to open it to .375". I'll make a punch like a shell holder to punch the bullets up through it from the bottom.

I want to take Speer 235 grain .375" bullets and size them to .366" and see how well they will work in the 9.3X57. Because the action is a 98 Mauser I can safely get them up to about 2500 FPS and I am thinking they may be a very good bullet for this rifle.

I don't know if it's true, but I am told the jackets on the .375" bullets are thicker than they are on their .366" 270 grain bullets. I hope so. Their 270 grain 9.3MM Bullet is super accurate, but an awful design for what it's marketed for. (Heavy and dangerous game) I have had them blow up and fail to get more then 1/3 of the way through a small white tail buck. I have killed about a dozen head of deer and antelope with them and they come apart every time even when the kills were good.

But years ago I did kill some ranch horses and also a few elk with the Speer 235 grain bullets from my 375H&H. They were a bit erratic, but slowing them down to 2500 from 2850 muzzle velocity after I size them to .366 may make them just what it needed. I expect the striking velocity of them on game will be between 2400 and 1700 FPS

Any of you guys have any thoughts on this ?

Edited by szihn (28/08/17 01:51 AM)


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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: szihn]
      #304573 - 28/08/17 03:25 AM

I have taken deer with Sierra 225gr GameKings in a .35 Whelen that also vaporized inside a 120 lb whitetail. I presume the bullets were made for the slower velocities of .35 Remington than the .35 Whelen. The jackets and lead were just shredded as the shot was close about 45 yards. Also used the 225 Sierra on deer with .375 H&H with the same results of broken jackets. The 225's were more likely designed for .375 Winchester velocities. This may be the same situation with your Speer's. Just driven too fast.

I like your long bottom tang on the rear trigger guard.

I have a Oberndorf Mauser from 1943 that was a Portuguese contract I am told but never made it there as they were diverted to the German army as it has their acceptance marks all over it.. It was sporterized and has the side panels as yours does, yet still in 8MM. I have come very close to re-barreling to .35 Whelen which would near the performance as your 9.3x57.


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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: Maxim]
      #304575 - 28/08/17 04:41 AM

I have always liked the style of the old eastern German side paneled sporters. I made 2 of them for my own use.
The 9.3X57 above and this 8X57. I killed all my game last year with the 8X57 and I really like it.
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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: szihn]
      #305082 - 10/09/17 01:52 PM

Ok it's done except for the checkering. I'll try to get that done this coming winter.
I loaded some 270 gr Speer bullets (not for hunting but for practice)
I am getting about 1 MOA at 107 yards. (1-1/6" to be exact)

I will try 22 grain Fox and 250 gr Nosler, and I did make a sizer to take 235 Gr Speer .375 bullets and size them to.366. I'll try them too.
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Edited by szihn (10/09/17 01:53 PM)


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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: szihn]
      #305841 - 30/09/17 09:15 AM

For those fellow odd-balls that like the 9.3X57 Mauser ("36 Swede") you may find this interesting.
This is the final update before I hunt with this rifle (I think)

From my new 9.3X57 Mauser.

I am full of praise for Nosler Accu-Bond 9.3MM 250 grain bullets, and also for ER Shaw barrels. This handy short rifle is very accurate. Mauser Reliable. It's going to be a wonderful little hunting rifle I am sure.

I loaded some ammo with PPU 8X57 brass necked up to 9.3MM and 49.2 gr of RL15. CCI Primer, and the above named bullets. I got two 3 shot sub-MOA groups with one being under 1/2 MOA. I am VERY pleased. I will chronograph the bullets soon and see how fast they are.

I did re-size some Speer 235 grain 375" bullet to 366" and tried them with loads of 4895 but the best I could get was 2.75"

I also used some Speer 270 grain bullets with 4895 and I never got under 1.8" I will probably try some of these with RL-15 and see if they tighten up. In my Ruger #1 9.3X74R these bullets cut a ragged hole, so they have the potential to be super accurate, but in my new 9.3X57 I have not hit the magic load with them yet.

I e-mailed Nosler about more of them, and here is a copy and paste of their reply:
Steve,

While we have not discontinued these bullets, we run them very infrequently (about once every 2-3 years). Looking at our latest production schedule we are slated to run them again in Q1 of 2018 if all goes to plan.

Best regards,

Nosler Inc.
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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: szihn]
      #305853 - 30/09/17 07:00 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Donuts Szihn!

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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: Homer]
      #305856 - 01/10/17 04:04 AM

Steve, I read somewhere, a long time ago, that full length stocks should be relieved from the action to the forend tip, that that is the only place the stock should touch and actually be in full contact with the barrel, but not screwed as some are, just contacted with slight forend tip pressure.

What are your findings?

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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: DarylS]
      #305862 - 01/10/17 07:00 AM

I have my own way of doing full stocks. It's a bit unusual, but I have done it now 7 times (2 of my own) and it works VERY well. Both my 8MM and my 9.3MM shoot groups that cut hole over hole at 100 yards.
PM me and we'll chat. I bet you'll like what I'll show you.


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Re: Performance withthe 9.3X57 Mauser? [Re: szihn]
      #305892 - 02/10/17 12:35 AM

Nice looking rifle Steve!
I've been looking for the Nosler 9.3 Accu-Bond 250 grain bullets to test in my own 9.3x57. Now I know why I haven't been able to find any.

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