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Rival rifle in 405 WCF
      #250061 - 06/07/14 06:54 PM

when you looking for something special in the net you allways stumble about unexpected things like a Manufrance Rival in 405 Winchester













made in 375 NE, 405 Winchester, 303 Brit and 8x50R Lebel



surprisingly Dorlaec had have a similar rifle for sale once as allways beautyful restored















this rifle was build with a Daudeteau action by Manufrance up to 1930 then replaced by a Mauser 98 in 10,75x68 with the same trademark.
I believe the actions still on stock came to an end than. the Daudeteau startet as an military rifle once:
http://armesfrancaises.free.fr/FR%20Daudeteau%20cal%208%20mm.html

Manufrance made hunting rifles in 6,5x53SR Daudeteau (semi rimmed) and 8x53SR Rival -Mimard a necked up version of the original 6,5mm cartridge. this case is very close to the 7,62x54R Mosin cartridge so you can use this brass.


http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11303


a pre WW1 Rival rifle








the Rival mauser in 10,75x68



it seems this long stocks were quite popular in france. manufrance build also lebel sporting rifles with this stock design not to forget the mysterious Grasset in 445 Grasset Nitro Expres a cartridge still unidentified!








the Manufrance Lebel - Africain




the stock remember me allways on the original mauser african model


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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #250133 - 07/07/14 10:32 PM

and rifle number 3 sold two years ago also in 405 win
http://www.naturabuy.fr/RARE-CARABINE-RIVAL-CAL-405-5IEME-CAT-item-1046129.html













actually the 405 wasnt a bad idea
its a compromise between common rifle caliber like the 303 and the big nitro express rounds. much better to handle and to shoot like the real big bores and the perfect thing for a farmer, soldier or official.

rifle in 8x50R Lebel



http://www.armes-de-collection.fr/armes-vendues/fusils-carabines/page/18/




a rifle unfortunately without the caliber but showing the nice finnish and colour case hardening that seems typical fore this model
http://www.naturabuy.fr/CARABINE-RIVAL-DE-MANUFRANCE-item-1499044.html














and here is also a short barrel "Mousqueton" rifle for the .375NE 2,5"
http://www.naturabuy.fr/Mousqueton-MANUFRANCE-RIVAL-Syst-DAUDETEAU-Cal-375-Anglais-item-722195.html


























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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #250152 - 08/07/14 02:24 AM

"made in 375 NE, 405 Winchester, 303 Brit and 8x50R Lebel"

Interesting thread.

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #250278 - 11/07/14 04:38 AM





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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #251506 - 03/08/14 10:14 PM

find the 1931 Manufrance catalog in the net
https://www.flickr.com/photos/taffeta/sets/72157622456911039/
while the ammo page have the 10,75x68 and the 405 Winchester for the old and the new Rival rifle there is no page showing the new Rival in 10,75 with a M 98 action in production since 1930.
this ammo is clearly loaded with a french powder also a 450 NE and a 577 NE cartridge. this ammo is unknown to cartridge collectors but maybe there was some kind of powder or ammo monopol than and they import cases and bullets and load it with french powder.



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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #253420 - 11/09/14 03:36 AM

another Rival in 8x50R Lebel






barrel lenght 65 cm, serial number 270A
http://www.naturabuy.fr/RIVAL-MANUFRANCE-item-1540792.html

this are very nice sporting rifle's, dont know what happen if I come close to such a thing



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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #265510 - 25/05/15 02:00 PM

rival in 8x50R Lebel
http://www.ateliersaintetienne31.fr/arme...manufrance.html
















sporter in 6,5 Daudeteau
http://www.ateliersaintetienne31.fr/arme...-daudeteau.html













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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #265566 - 26/05/15 06:03 PM

Wow, what a good thread, thanks.

I actually find them a nice looking firearm and wouldn't say no to one in .405.


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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: Bidgee]
      #265669 - 29/05/15 07:03 PM

If I got a Rival and a .445 Grassette I'll have a nice collection of French sporters, hmm!

Edit: found this

http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-RIVAL-Manufrance-cal-10-75x68-Mauser-item-2545314.html

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #265697 - 30/05/15 09:54 AM

Quote:






Which 8mm is this? 8x57?

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: Ash]
      #265707 - 30/05/15 02:59 PM

Quote:

If I got a Rival and a .445 Grassette I'll have a nice collection of French sporters, hmm!

Edit: found this

http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-RIVAL-Manufrance-cal-10-75x68-Mauser-item-2545314.html




Rival was a trade name not meaning a special action(ok, in the beginning it was the Dauteteau)but a kind of big game rifle. the post war Rival here is looking more in the common big bore rifle style.







the long stock reminds me allways on the African Model Mauser



Vietnam, could be a Rival

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #265708 - 30/05/15 03:14 PM

Quote:

Quote:






Which 8mm is this? 8x57?




its the 8x53R Dauteteau, a necked up version of the original 6,5x53R Dauteteau http://municion.org/ what was the original round for this rifle. the pic is showing a factory made sporter making by checkering the pistol grip.
this is a semi rimmed case you made on the lathe by using 7,62x54R brass.

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #265715 - 30/05/15 06:03 PM

Lancaster - i refer to the Dauteteau actioned Rival that i would like to get one of

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #265719 - 31/05/15 01:20 AM

Thanks. These are fascinating rifles.

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #271811 - 17/10/15 06:07 PM

Rival in 8x50R Lebel for sale http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-8mm-lebel-rival-item-2892103.html











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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #303070 - 15/07/17 03:21 PM

the old Rival catalog pic




and the 1952 Manufrance catalog with the Mauser 98 rival in 10,75x68



http://www.tircollection.com/t31257-le-mas-36-chez-manufrance

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #305033 - 09/09/17 03:14 PM

a short "carbine" in 405 WCF http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-Mas-Rival-Deaudeteau-item-4124207.html















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