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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #211242 - 21/06/12 03:40 AM

The 28/76 or TAK 85 suits very well to european style tower hunting. You just sit up the tower and waits when the animals (mostly deers and bigs) come to near your place. The weight isnīt any problem.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #211275 - 21/06/12 12:38 PM

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The 28/76 or TAK 85 suits very well to european style tower hunting. You just sit up the tower and waits when the animals (mostly deers and bigs) come to near your place. The weight isnīt any problem.


Yes the 28/76 would be fine for the "Hochsitz" just so you did not have to climb mountains with it.I will say this ;it may sound crazy but I really like the Mosin Nagant ;especially the finnish ones.Reliability accuracy and craftmanship all all marks of a Finnish made Mosin

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FinnCollector]
      #211300 - 22/06/12 01:39 AM

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For a reason or another, there is now quite many Mosin army surplus sportting stocks for sale here in finland. Some of them are even walnut. In this picture is stock for model TAK 85. Notice that the whole action is floating (no contact to stock) and so it need a special bushing (picture aattched) round the barrel which attach the whole action to stock.
This kind of rifle is very accurate when properly built.








Igorrock, how much is the TKIV 85 stock?




This style of stock (barrel clamped, action free) was popular with some bench rest shooters in Canada back in the late 60's, early 70's. The design died out before the mid 70's - but- it does show merrit for a STRONG, stiff action. The military actions are not particularly stiff, having rails and open bottoms for magazines.

Just saying, but that is a nice design for a '3-position' or 'prone' rifle.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: DarylS]
      #211303 - 22/06/12 01:55 AM

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The military actions are not particularly stiff, having rails and open bottoms for magazines.



The reason why SA (Finnish Army) used that patent is just the lack of Mosin action stiffnes, specially with heavy barrel. When barrel is clamped to stock with stiff bushing the action itself has no stress so it can just float and vibrate free. In tests this composition seems to make those rifles more accurate than normal bedding.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #211306 - 22/06/12 03:54 AM

Yes - I'm well 'up' on the actions and re-actions with the thinsided military actions able to wobble all over - exactly what accuracy nuts don't want.

With standard bedding, and 1/2" to 1" (never on a taper) of the heavy barrel properly bedded, the accuracy was improved with standard actions over even a 'glue-in' clamped barrel.

Welding spacers between the rails to stiffen the actions was a common gunsmith trick here as well, to make miltary actions shoot as well as the various 'stiffer' Remingtons, etc. Then, the blocked/beded in barrel clamps worked as planned with military actions. My blocked, stiffened and glued in M98 agg'd .250" when that would put you in the top 3 along with the real BR rifles. So much for the early 70's. Now, 1/4" is nothing for even a gopher or small calibre deer rifle to beat.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: DarylS]
      #211449 - 24/06/12 07:41 AM

I have a Finnish reworked moisin model 27 that I got in a trade. At the time I just figured it was just another moisin among millions that were made. Was I wrong!!The first thing I normally do with any rifle is take it apart and clean it. The tip off was the shims under the receiver ring. That and the beautiful VKT barrel. At the time there was no non corrosive ammo available except for Norma. I lucked out and did manage to find a few boxes of Hansen Cartridge non corrosive ammo. This rifle was to be my introduction into the world of cast bullets. C.E.Harris had an article in gun digest about shooting cast bullets in military surplus rifles. So slugged the bbl and ordered a lyman #314299 bullet mold. The rest was history. 2" groups easily at 100yds.
Lyman 3314299 sized to .3135 bore slugged at .3115
Imr 4759 20grs
win large rifle primers
hansen cases neck sized only
javelina lube
Bullet seated out to just kissing the lands won't feed from the magazine because the bullet/case is too long
So this particular rifle will never see a jacketed bullet as long as I have it and its been going on for like this for about 17 years. I'm thinking that more folks should try cast bullets in these rifles. their accuracy might just suprise you.
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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FrankS]
      #211482 - 24/06/12 07:20 PM

Those rifles were made for very long torpedo shaped fmj bullets.



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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #211611 - 27/06/12 04:39 AM

Here is some detail pictures of finnish sportting Mosin (not mine). The trigger is taken from .22 LR VALMET Leijona target rifle.



















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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #211765 - 30/06/12 09:22 AM




Beautiful Rifle! Here is my SAKO 28/76 7.62x53R Scharfschutzen rifle with original Finnish mount and Schmidt Bender scope






















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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #211827 - 01/07/12 05:47 PM

Well if any of you gentlemen come across one of the 28/76 moisin stocks Please do not hesitate to inform me. Actually I have two of the UK-59 machine gun barrels. I bought both from TGI international. The first one was the regular one just a bbl that had the locking lugs turned off and rechambered to 7.62x54R. The second UK-59 bbl was intended to be a replacement barrel for this model machine gun. Still has the carry handle on it as well as the rather cone type flash hider. Could remove the flash hider and install a very effective muzzle brake to cut down on recoil. I seriously believe that the Moisin Nagant rifle in its many varied forms may yet be a sleeper in the gun world. They may look ancient, obsolete but the Finnish reworked one I have Model 27 shoots great with cast bullets. So what could be better than a Finnish 28/76 stock, Finnish hex receivered action and a Czech heavy machine gun barrel. And I have a couple sets of Finnish triggers and sears put away for just a project like this. Thanks for listening. Frank

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FrankS]
      #211842 - 01/07/12 11:02 PM

Those 28/76 stocks are very difficult to find, many people wants to buy them if possible. But it seems that TAK 85 stock (IMHO the better altenative to do very accurate Mosin) could find quite easy.

Here is attached foto and blueprints (measures in millimeter) of TAK 85 barrel bushing:





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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #215922 - 02/09/12 04:51 AM

I havenīt seen anything like this before but it seems that someone has really done it. Caliber is original 7,62x54R and magazine from russian dpm 63 machine gun.

Maybe some of this forums members could do the same but in a little sophisticated version....







And seems that it works too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i_z0Eom7H4k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSZQ8APKY2Q&feature=youtu.be

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #215943 - 02/09/12 04:33 PM

reminds me on this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzl5w1fzZl8

build as a sporting rifle could be useful for culling

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #216295 - 08/09/12 01:24 AM

had the rifle on the range yesterday, its still in the white dont had the time till now.
make some rounds with N 110 15 grains and a homemade bullet just to see what going on with the scope. first rounds dont hit the paper and I work with trial and error. the old scope where you have the windage screw's in the scope mount are a little bit tricky but in the end it shoot.
the load shoot smooth, recoil but a little girl would have handle this. the action work smooth too!
next time with Sako softpoint's



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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #216320 - 08/09/12 03:14 PM

Nice group with old Mosin ! 40-50 mm...?

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #216345 - 08/09/12 07:48 PM

Nice!

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #217280 - 27/09/12 09:16 PM

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Here is some detail pictures of finnish sportting Mosin (not mine). The trigger is taken from .22 LR VALMET Leijona target rifle.




















A beautiful Rifle Igorrock. There seems to be a wealth of triggers for the Mosin in Finland.I once heard of an excellent aftermarket trigger made in Germany;After much research on a German gun/website I found it...and much to my dismay found out he did not ship to USA.When you use a Finnish Mosin with a Tikka , SAKO or Valmet barrel you are assured of getting a top notch barrel for your project. While I have never "sporterized " a MN if I could find a nice Finnish Birch classic hunting style stock ,I probably would begin tomorrow!

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #218258 - 22/10/12 04:36 AM

I love finnish mosins (from m91 to tkiv85)I got a m91 and m39 sadly their are colector grade and "I cant"put a scope on them...Maybe I will find another for a sporting or fake sniper project (but they are not common in my country)
If you find another spare left hand stock let me know


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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: ots03]
      #218259 - 22/10/12 04:59 AM

this is the rare 6,3x53R Finnish, first time I had this round in my hands


very early post war production


the case have a similar volume like 6,5x55 or 6,5x57 but it was never loaded with heavy bullets into this class. its more some kind of super hornet for shooting wood grouse, winter fox or wild geese on long distance



seems to be they made it of WW 2 surplus brass






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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #218294 - 22/10/12 11:51 PM

Here is one of my mosin projects. Its just a spare parts build in 220 swiftAI.
I had a shot out remington 1891, a remington 722 barrel in. 222 & a 220 swiftAI reamer laying around and decided to combine them.


Here is a link to the build
http://curioandrelicfirearmsforum.yuku.c...ter#reply-93477

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: dirtyjim]
      #218487 - 27/10/12 01:25 PM

it seems you get the most out of the Mosin action with the 220 SwiftAI without changing anything.




does the bolt head accept the case or was it neccessary to make alterations?

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #218501 - 27/10/12 11:04 PM

I soldered a bushing to the boltface, slightly deepened the ejector slot and shimmed the extractor back. 010" to fit the casehead.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: dirtyjim]
      #224614 - 02/02/13 05:34 AM

three interesting old ammo boxes were coming to surface last week
this are very old 10round sako boxes, one with 16,6 gramm FMJ bullets and the other with 10 gramm(154 grains) FMJ bullets. to bad they dont come into our hands so we dont know how the cartridges look. the 16,6 gramm bullet may look like the 16,6 gramm softpoint and was probably intended for shooting moose. the best explanation bokmal had for the 10 gramm bullet is that it was made for shooting the big wood grouse. on the way to the 9 mm makarow pistol bullet that weighs 95 grains.


the other box is a 1970s Sako box with 15 gramm FMJ bullet. it came in bokmals hands and we will see pics of the cartridge.


reminds me on the Norma 9,3x57 ammo with 15 gramm FMJ for Target practise
http://www.norma.cc/en/Products/Hunting/93x57/Norma-FMJ-232-gr/
but his round is only load to 675 m/sec when the Sako round is labeled with 735 m/sec muzzle velocity

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #224720 - 04/02/13 07:20 AM

Quite rare Mosin sporster:

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4251820







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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #224727 - 04/02/13 08:36 AM

8x57IS no less.....nice

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