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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Cashman]
      #202027 - 09/02/12 03:58 AM

Lancaster - German 9x57 M98 - that's OK. It was lumped in with the Husky's and I assumed they were as well. I didn't know Husqvarna didn't make 9x57's - OK by me - either/or - they're just decent hunting rifles to me & I desire one.

The article I'm looking for, I was sure was in a Precision Shooting Magazine, was a straight re-bore on a Mosin Nagent to .50 Alaskan. The barrel was VERY thin adn the finished rifle very light. The fellows loads were lighter than I was using in my .50 Alaskan Rolling Block due to the recoil he was soaking up.

A new barrel would eliviate that. The older Hodgdon Annual Mannuals had .50 Alaskan data - like the 2006 Issue or so.

It's a dandy round. My bro has a 620gr. mould ordered for his Sharps in that chambering.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: DarylS]
      #202066 - 09/02/12 09:08 PM

Daryl, I have study swedish auction house catalogs and they have a lot of 9x57 Mauser rifles from the Suhl-Zella Mehlis area made in the 1920ys. solid and simple working guns and I suspect most were bought before Husqvarna start the M 46 in 9,3x57 in 1927. the price was maybe the main reason for the success of the Husqvarna rifle. I have tried to find out this and the Mod 46 cost 133 swedish cronor when Geco M 98 sporter start at 190 and go up to 330 cronor. very possible the price was higher because of swedish duty. that was a convincing argument.
like before 1927 the swedish gentleman hunter with enough money bought german rifles. it may have cost twice as much but with the well known quality possible it have been something of a status symbol.

there is no doubt that the 9x57 will do more than expect from the size.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #202068 - 09/02/12 09:12 PM

Lancaster,

Your Mosin is coming along very nicely.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: NitroX]
      #202780 - 17/02/12 09:49 PM

Lancaster, been following this project since it started. It definitely has taken on a life of its own.
That plus all the other rifles that just seem to blend in with the build theme. I've a octagon receiver and spare parts squirreled away someplace. Funny thing, you can get moisins here in the U.S. for about $100 and for the most part (good barrel of course) they shoot way out of proportion as to their cost. My first introduction to the moisin is/was a model 27 Finnish rework. But the best part was the barrel. The barrel is marked VKT which I am told is "of TIKA" manufacture. Bright shiny lands and grooves. Shoots cast bullets very well. Thanks for keeping us posted on your project. Probably the most interesting one I've seen. Frank


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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FrankS]
      #202782 - 17/02/12 10:20 PM

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The barrel is marked VKT which I am told is "of TIKA" manufacture.



Hello FrankS! Slight correction; the Finnish M/27 rifle was made by the State Rifle Factory (Valtion KivääriTehdas = VKT). If the barrels haven't been changed during post war refits they should be marked VKT. Tikka also made barrels for most of our variations of the M/91 Mosin Nagant. A Tikka barrel should have a capital T within a triangle.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FrankS]
      #202817 - 18/02/12 06:16 AM

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Lancaster, been following this project since it started. It definitely has taken on a life of its own.
That plus all the other rifles that just seem to blend in with the build theme. I've a octagon receiver and spare parts squirreled away someplace. Funny thing, you can get moisins here in the U.S. for about $100 and for the most part (good barrel of course) they shoot way out of proportion as to their cost. My first introduction to the moisin is/was a model 27 Finnish rework. But the best part was the barrel. The barrel is marked VKT which I am told is "of TIKA" manufacture. Bright shiny lands and grooves. Shoots cast bullets very well. Thanks for keeping us posted on your project. Probably the most interesting one I've seen. Frank




good luck frank

when I was starting this many people I told it( and I dont told it many at all)were shaking their heads mildly. the best argument they had was that I would never be able to get my money back if I sold it sometimes.
well , I never had the intention to sold the rifle. thats how people can complete misunderstand you.

if I can give you good advise:

allways look how it was made in the old times with classic rifle's - there is a reason they became classic's

slime and trim all parts so much as possible

use classic methods like rust bluing and oil stocks

set classic iron sights on the barrel, without it will never being complete

the scope mount is a very critical point, avoid modern rail mounts and similar stuff
there is no doubt that a claw mount is the most esthetic solution but this is maybe not possible for you. I would recommand a german sidemount as the second best.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #202828 - 18/02/12 08:48 AM

"I would recommand a german sidemount as the second best.

This Griffin & Howe -mount could be quite good alternative too. My good friend has it in his Mannlicher Schönauer.



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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #204692 - 07/03/12 09:16 PM

Bokmal, could very well be a tika barrel. However will try and sort though them and double check the barrel marking. One thing is for certain, will never sell this rifle. shoots cast bullets like no one's business. Thanks Frank

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FrankS]
      #204693 - 07/03/12 09:28 PM

lancaster, I've seen a few variations on the bolt handles. A butterknife bolt handle would fit right in with your classical rifle theme. Would have to cheat regarding the iron sights. Can't see the irons as well as I used to. So some form of scope mount will have to do. I have a semi turned douglas 375 barrel blank that I picked up some years back. If I remember right it has a 1x14 twist. so should be good for the 375x54. The bullets manufactured here in the states for the 375 winchester run @200 grains and the other runs at 220 grains. Speer makes a 235 grain spitzer soft point (I have 3 100 bullet boxes.That would be my bullet of choice. The action is a hex receiver moisin and have a Finnis trigger and sear spring for that action. Should be very workable. I'm thinking of keeping the barrel a little heavier than a normal sporting rifle contour. Still will double check the twist before it goes into the lathe for some weight reduction. Thanks for the advice. Frank

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: FrankS]
      #204742 - 08/03/12 06:58 PM

a "Mannlicher spoon handle" was on the list for some time but I reject this idea for being to germanic

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #204743 - 08/03/12 07:23 PM

"Germanic" would imply high quality gear and workmanship in the eyes of Finnish riflemen, both then and now...

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Bokmal]
      #204838 - 10/03/12 03:41 AM

home and dry

the gunmaker is ready now, making the finish will be my own work in the next time. the mosin is sleeping the first night in my gun safe today.

















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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #204840 - 10/03/12 04:00 AM

Congratulations, Lancaster! That is one well proportioned rifle!

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Bokmal]
      #204897 - 11/03/12 05:53 AM

Very nice !

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #204901 - 11/03/12 07:00 AM

It looks great -- I also really like the scope mount details.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: tinker]
      #205284 - 16/03/12 06:39 PM

just for your entertainment: the stock will get oil 5 -6 times the next days and then everything is ready for rust blueing.
here with my husqvarna in 9,3x57 its becoming the pair I hope.























the next pics I post will shown the rifle finished. thank you for your patience!

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #205290 - 16/03/12 11:31 PM

Very nice work. I am anxious to see it finished.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: CptCurl]
      #205297 - 17/03/12 02:04 AM

A range report would be nice, too! :-)

BTW, how do you like the Mauser-style safety in actual use?

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Bokmal]
      #205432 - 18/03/12 09:59 PM

how I like the mauser safety? I love it, works fine also with the scope. if there is a safety issue because it lock in the "wrong" direction? never, when you stay with the common saftey rules and point the barrel not in a direction where it not to have be. five rifles here lock in the opposite direction so you have to be attentive, of course.

dont know when I find the time to visit a range. I have load 50 rounds with Vithavuori( what else) N 110 and my homemade 230 grains softpoint just for adjust the sights, the gunmaker had made a 3 shot group with skao factory ammo at 50 meter and iron sights to see where it goes and it shot 4 cm high and 8 cm left iirc. he was not keen of the trigger characteristic because it dont have the common double pull trigger.

I have time enough to become familiar with the trigger

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #205439 - 19/03/12 01:26 AM

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it dont have the common double pull trigger.



Do this mean that you have converted the original two-stage trigger some way ?

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #205448 - 19/03/12 02:42 AM

no, did nothing on the trigger! when you pull the trigger sometimes it breaks and I was believing this was normal

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: lancaster]
      #205458 - 19/03/12 04:05 AM

Ok, some people here in Finland just used to convert the Mosin trigger so that there is no pre-pull before breaking.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #205467 - 19/03/12 07:31 AM

There are many ways of fixing the pre-pull, but no safe way to totally get rid of it in a Mosin. The 9,3x53R I bought for my next project has one of those dangerous modifications that could easily get someone killed. I myself, don´t like it, when they make the spring thinner to lighten the pull... And that, I might add, is very common in Finland…

I made a DIY adjustable trigger mod that I use in my hunting rifle. It doesn´t require any modifications to the spring or any other part of the trigger mechanism. I made one for my friends range rifle also. His has an adjustable aft-pull also. This mod doesn´t work in a hunting rifle, cause it doesn´t allow you to take the bolt out without removing the stock.
To make the pull lighter I use shims between the spring and the body.



Pre-adjustment screw inside the triggerhole...



Side view of the fine adjustment screw...



Pic from behind (this is where the aft-pull screw would be if there was one)

I don´t know how this works with the two-stage trigger, but it most definitely works with the most common one-stage trigger which originally has a ridiculously long pre-pull and no feel at all…

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Cashman]
      #205489 - 19/03/12 12:40 PM

Cashman: the two-stage trigger is like in Mauser 98, first there is pre-pull with small tension and after that trigger breaks. At it´s best the last pull is very short and sharp, normaly quite indefinite. The Mosin trigger allmost allways has this worse situation and that´s why I use aftermarket triggers. They are safe, easy to adjust and the bolt is easy to take away when needed.

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Re: The best Mosin sporting rifle project in world history [Re: Igorrock]
      #205491 - 19/03/12 01:12 PM

The Finn M28-30 and M39 rifles have a simple modification to the trigger that adds two pins crosswise thru the top of the sear hole in the trigger; it allows two bearing surfaces, one as takeup the next as the stop before break.

I had a few and added them to some rifles, they are the best and simplist way to improve a M/N trigger IMO. Adding a slight angle to the sear will make a perfect trigger release.

I also learned how to make a positive double pull on a standard 91 and 91/30. Briefly, it is done by filing and polishing two angled surfaces on the sear nose. You must make the surface highly smooth and polished and also the angle cannot be so great as to prevent trigger reset on a half-pulled trigger.

It can be done, and I modified a number using this method. As such, the trigger has a first stage, then reaches a stop, then breaks. It feels different than a 98 Mauser, but can be done so as to give an even smoother trigger and release. It takes a lot of time and trial and error.

Great thread.

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