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Jarman Harpoon gun
      #202402 - 13/02/12 06:39 PM

interesting piece for the whalecraft collector from Bisgaard & Nielsen in Denmark
11mm smoothbore to shoot small marine mammals from seals up to the size of minke whale.













http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3708235







may have been looking like this but they use a Foyn canon on this ship.















http://www.webinntekt.com/blogg/?p=189

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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: lancaster]
      #202507 - 15/02/12 01:03 AM

I watched an episode of Auction Hunters last week where they found a Greener rifle that they thought was a harpoon gun. It turned out that it fired an exploding harpoon like head that was used to finish a whale after it was harpooned. It was in great shape and they fired it on the show.

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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: casper50]
      #202542 - 15/02/12 03:50 PM

something like this? http://www.whalecraft.net/Shoulder_Guns.html



Whale survives harpoon attack 130 years ago to become 'world's oldest mammal'

by DAVID GARDNER

Last updated at 23:37 13 June 2007



A giant bowhead whale caught off the coast of Alaska had a harpoon point embedded in its neck that showed it survived a similar hunt ? more than a century ago.

Biologists claim the find helps prove the bowhead is the oldest living mammal on earth.

They say the 13-centimetre arrow-shaped fragment dates back to around 1880, meaning the 50-ton whale had been coasting around the freezing arctic waters since Victorian times.

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130-year-old weapon: The shiny scars on the weapon are a result of the chain saw cut

Because traditional whale hunters never took calves, experts estimate the bowhead was several years old when it was first shot and about 130 when it died last month.

"No other finding has been so precise," said John Bockstoce, a curator at the New Bedford Whaling Museum in Massachusetts.

Calculating a bowhead whale's age can be difficult, and is usually gauged by amino acids in the eye lenses.

It is rare to find one that has lived more than a century, but experts now believe the oldest were close to 200 years old.

The weapon fragment lodged in a bone between the whale's neck and shoulder blade comes from a 19th century bomb lance.








Fired from a heavy shoulder gun, the harpoon was attached to a small metal cylinder filled with explosives and fitted with a time fuse so it would explode seconds after it was shot into the whale.

Experts have pinned down the weapons manufacture to a New England factory in about 1880 and say it was rendered obsolete by a less bulky darting gun a few years later.

Even though the device probably exploded, the bowhead was protected by a one foot thick layer of blubber and thick bones it uses to break through ice one foot thick to breathe at the surface.

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The fragment alongside a similar but unfired bomb lance patented in 1885.

"It probably hurt the whale, or annoyed him, but it hit him in a non-lethal place," said Mr Bockstoce.

"He couldn't have been that bothered if he lived for another 100 years."

The find adds growing weight to evidence that bowheads outlive all other mammals.

Six similar harpoon points have been found in the whales since 2001, all suggesting they live much longer than previously thought.

The oldest known ages for mammals are 110 years for a blue whale and 114 years for a fin whale.

The oldest documented human was a 122-year-old French woman, who died ten years ago.

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Famous novel: Captain Ahab, leading his crew on a hunt for the great whale Moby Dick

The only other mammal that comes close is elephants, which can live to 70 in captivity.

Scientists believe that the bowheads' longevity is the result of the tough environment where they live in the freezing arctic, where there are not abundant plankton and krill crustaceans to eat.

Consequently, the whales have a slower metabolism to stay warm as efficiently as possible.

Bowheads are an endangered species and there are currently about 8,000 to 12,000 left.

They travel in small pods and calves weigh as much as six tons at birth. Their only foes are man and orca whales.

Alaskan whalers found the harpoon fragment as they carved the 50-foot long whale up with a chainsaw after using a powerful 21st century gun to kill it.

While commercial whaling is now banned by international agreement, natives from Alaska, the Chukotka region of eastern Russia and Greenland are permitted to hunt a fixed number of whales for traditional, non-commercial consumption. In Alaska, meat from hunted whales is distributed to all residents of the hunters' villages.

Biologists can estimate the age of bowhead whales by studying the changes in levels of aspartic acid, an amino acid found in the eye lens and teeth.

Using bowhead eyeballs, each the size of a snooker ball, they say they can tell the whale's age by the amount of acid, which increases in quantity with the years.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...est-mammal.html

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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: lancaster]
      #202559 - 15/02/12 06:11 PM

That looks like the projectile that the Greener fired. Here's the episode.

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/auction-hunters-2011/episode-13-season-2/beantown-bidders/307993


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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: casper50]
      #202564 - 15/02/12 07:05 PM

the original Greener gun and the common model between 1850 and 1875 was this



http://www.vallejogallery.com/item.php?id=2254

than it start to divide in professional equipment made like sven foyn's canon




and shoulder fired guns like this for the weekend whale hunter



http://www.vallejogallery.com/item.php?id=2308&

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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: lancaster]
      #260189 - 09/02/15 10:20 PM

How much do the Jarmanns go for?

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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: Ash]
      #260196 - 10/02/15 01:19 AM

dont know, maybe between 500 and 1000 euro

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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: lancaster]
      #260263 - 11/02/15 12:35 AM

Thanks. I'm thinking of adding an old whaling gun to the collection in the next few years. They start at about $3500US it seems..

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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: Ash]
      #260277 - 11/02/15 08:34 AM

Lancaster, thanks for posting. A most interesting read.

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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: Rule303]
      #260307 - 11/02/15 07:25 PM

"For the weekend whalehunter"......:)

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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #260309 - 11/02/15 08:05 PM

if you are more serious in whaling here is a 90mm Kongsberg canon for sale http://www.cannonsuperstore.com/whaling_harpoon.htm










will look like this again









think its a Kongsberg M 52
http://www.kvf.no/vaapen.php?type=Hval&weaponid=HV0001

here are the other models made by Kongsberg
http://www.kvf.no/vaapen.php?type=Hval&weaponid=HV0002
http://www.kvf.no/vaapen.php?type=Hval&weaponid=HV0004
http://www.kvf.no/vaapen.php?type=Hval&weaponid=HV0004




the jarman whaling gun is not often to see but the Husqvarna M 47 is sometimes for sale and maybe
complete in the box with everything the weekend whale hunter needs.
http://www.weiss-trading.com/M47R/M47R.html































for fishes and dolphins the Greener harpoon gun is enough
http://www.icollector.com/Greener-Light-...cludi_i11979794



this probably still for sale http://www.armslist.com/posts/2044737/las-vegas-nevada-antiques-for-sale--greener-harpoon-gun





thats how the greener looks http://cowanauctions.com/itemImages/h2869.jpg



http://www.spearboard.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=203782&d=1397072370


http://www.cowanauctions.com/itemImages/h2872.jpg


http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13210

















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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: lancaster]
      #260903 - 21/02/15 08:24 PM

he had better catch the whale and put it into fish boxes in small portions, the sea had never talk about

"Man accused of shooting at whales with World War II rifle
Associated Press
February 19, 2015 6:21 PM

NEWARK, N.J. (AP) — A tuna fisherman has been accused of shooting at pilot whales from his vessel with a World War II-era rifle.

Daniel Archibald surrendered Thursday to face the charges and was released on a $10,000 unsecured bond.

Archibald, who's from Cape May, widely considered America's oldest seaside resort, used a Mosin-Nagant rifle to shoot at pilot whales from the vessel Capt. Bob, the U.S. attorney's office for New Jersey said.

A whale shot with a bullet from such a rifle was beached and then died in Allenhurst, more than 100 miles northeast of Cape May, in September 2011.

Authorities said Archibald told them he had "sprayed" fire at pilot whales, which are extremely social animals, about a month earlier to chase them away from his vessel's fishing lines.

Archibald's lawyer Bill Hughes had his doubts about the case.

"I seriously question the U.S. attorney's decisions with respect to this case," Hughes said. "I wish the government had done a few things such as a fuller investigation and read the law."

Under a 1972 federal law, it's illegal to hunt, kill, capture or harass any marine mammal. The law exempts from penalties commercial fishermen who harm marine mammals incidentally.

Hughes said his client is cooperating with authorities."
http://news.yahoo.com/jersey-man-accused-shooting-whales-old-rifle-225333841.html

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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: lancaster]
      #260971 - 23/02/15 12:24 AM

So they'll be argueing he only fired near the whales, with no intent on hitting on, and accidentally struck one?

Suprised they found a .30 cal in a beached whale, must have been luck.

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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: Ash]
      #261138 - 25/02/15 08:18 AM

Non hunters sometimes ask me what I have such a big rifle for (416 Rigby). My standard reply is "whales", but very few get the joke......


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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: ExcessExpress]
      #261174 - 25/02/15 09:25 PM

Yes...
Small/medium bores only for dolphins!

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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: Marrakai]
      #277960 - 14/02/16 04:28 PM

again a Kongsberg Jarman gun in auction http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/kongsberg-norsk-harpungevaer-m87-model-jarman/i4145352/#

















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      #279208 - 13/03/16 07:30 AM

firing the greener gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xAJZEGQ63w

British author Gavin Maxwell (1914–1969, left) loads his harpoon gun whilst fishing for basking shark off the island of Soay. He bought the small Hebridean island in 1945, with hopes of setting up a shark fishery. 21st September 1946





very interesting pic, what mister Maxwell is loading here is a vintage 1,5" Greener whaling gun http://www.antiquesofthesea.com/8373_Greener_Harpoon.html, probably cheap in scotland in 1946 because out of service for 60 years or more. imho,the only existing pic showing the old Greener harpoon gun in action. mister Maxwell was surely very eccentric because setting up a shark fishery was next to starting a sail ship pirate business.Soay is famous for being the home of the soay sheep living there for maybe thousend years now since this primitive race was abadon by wikings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soay_sheep

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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: lancaster]
      #279458 - 18/03/16 02:51 AM

I have to correct myself this soay island
http://www.theislandreview.com/8-shape-shark-isle/

is another than the home of the forgotten acient sheep race
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soay,_St_Kilda

there exist a book by Maxwell about the time when he and some other man were hunting basking sharks



will take a look into this if he gives more informations about the use of this ancient greener gun

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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: lancaster]
      #290510 - 19/11/16 07:07 AM

another jarmann harpoon gun for sale

http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/kongsberg-norsk-harpungevaer-m87-model-jarman/i4470180/#

nice shape















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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: lancaster]
      #290668 - 22/11/16 08:51 PM

Lancaster how much do these sell for typically?

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      #290785 - 24/11/16 10:49 PM

Wow I needed to read the whole thread.. I'd already asked the exaxt question I just did above.. Silly me!

Ordered a copy of the above book too. Hopefully it arrives before I head to the US again so I'll have something to read on the flight. It's coming from England so may not arrive in time. Ah well!

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Re: Jarman Harpoon gun [Re: Ash]
      #292349 - 20/12/16 07:00 PM

the 20. century see some "invasions" of schools of tuna into the north sea which is not realy the biotope for this large fisch that like the mediterranean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZc85P_ngi8

they came for whatever reason into the north sea from time to time like
here on the fish market Hamburg/Altona in 1931

http://www.fischmagazin.de/willkommen-bild-anzeige-seriennummer-3424.htm

Kongsberg Jarmann gun for sale http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/kongsb...igin/i4511950/#

that was used by two danish fisherman from Esbjerg on the danish nort sea coast who make the tour to greenland from 1948 -50. but from 1950 to 1954 they catch tuna in the north sea with this harpoon gun that was probably bought years before as a special tool for the summer trip to greenland.


green's say the tuna was eridicated I say he was gone back were he was coming before







the 1949 Raufoss ammo ammo is soft soldered in tins like Kynoch DR cartridges not for tropical but for the rough northern maritime climate























the right wallhanger for a summer house behind the dunes

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      #294126 - 21/01/17 05:46 PM

not in best shape but a nice wall hanger

muzzle loader gun probably an older greener http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/harpunkanon/i4531331/#












look like this one













"Swivel Whaling Harpoon Gun with Harpoon
Signed Peterhead No 5
Sold
36 3/8 Inches, with a 1 1/2 Inch Bore Circa 1839

We are offering a fantastic swivel-mounted harpoon gun matching the dimensions of the earliest Greener guns introduced in 1837, and used for decades beyond as the first truly successful whaling firearms. Such instruments revolutionized the whaling industry at a time when whale ships were sailing farther and longer in search of their targets. These guns saw much use by American and British whalers in the Arctic and Pacific oceans, where the last great herds of grey, sperm and right whales were hunted.

This particular gun, No. 5 of Peterhead, Scotland is one of the earlier swivel whaling harpoons of the Greener style. Original inlaid brass whales on both sides of the stock add to its attraction, as well as the solid brass sight rail with the inscribed marks “Peterhead No. 5", now partially indiscernible. A brass shroud covers the large single percussion hammer that strikes double cap posts, accenting the heavy iron barrel. The artifact is complete with a rare, double-flanged split-shaft iron harpoon with a ring grommet. The harpoon head is sharply barbed with the intent to keep the massive dart imbedded in its prey. It is further completed with its original iron yoke.

The harpoon gun would be mounted to the bow of a working whale boat, and a rope line attached to the metal sliding ring set in the split-shank harpoon, and the rope would be tied to the craft at the other end. The gun made catches possible which had escaped the whalemen of earlier ages, with its range of up to 84 yards, and capable of firing over the obstacle of solid ice in the Arctic. Large grain gunpowder would be used for the percussion cap weapon to ensure a slower, steady burn, giving a smoother flight for the harpoon, especially in calm lagoons and shallows. A significant historic artifact instrument from the heart and height of 19th Century whaling."

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      #296999 - 14/03/17 12:20 AM

Simpson Ltd
C C BRAND PERCUSSION WHALING GUN
fair bore, good stock, 22'' barrel, Used aboard ship for firing a bomb lance or harpoon, circa 1850s. All iron construction with skeleton type stock. Unmarked as most are. Missing the ramrod. Bead front and dovetailed rear sights mounted on the part octagon barrel. Bore measures approximately 1 1/8 inch. Access plate on the left side for the lockwork is missing. The lock is not functioning properly. No external metal finish remains with surface rusting and some pitting over all. Antique,
http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_info.php?products_id=45951











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      #299797 - 29/04/17 03:07 PM

nice pic of a blue whale for alaska 1939



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