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gpsb
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.338 lapua vs .338 win
      #102652 - 17/04/08 08:29 AM

Hi everyone,

I had an opportunity last weekend to shoot a friends Sako TRG M995 rifle chambered for .338 lapua mag cartridge and his Kimber .338 win mag rifle. I was impressed with both the rifles. Although I could differentiate betweeen the recoil of both rifles with .338 lapua having a heftier punch I was wondering how are both calibers different in ballistics. Also is the .338 lapua mag a good long range hunting round over .338 win or .300 win mag? Has any other firearm manufacturer other than Sako manufactured sporting rifles in .338 lapua mag?

Thanks.

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Re: .338 lapua vs .338 win [Re: gpsb]
      #102653 - 17/04/08 08:34 AM


Depends whether you class Tactical rifles as Sporting rifles ?

If so, try Remington.

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Re: .338 lapua vs .338 win [Re: 500Nitro]
      #102654 - 17/04/08 08:38 AM

Hi

It was not a tactical rifle it had a kevlar (aftermarket) stock but he purchased it new in a synthetic stock many years ago. The rifle looked much like Tikka T3 lite synthetic rifle but he had some customization done on the rifle.

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Re: .338 lapua vs .338 win [Re: gpsb]
      #102658 - 17/04/08 09:49 AM

Opinions will of course vary.
: The standard .338 Mag is a 300 yard big game ctg. I feel no one has any buisiness shooting our large game, bears, moose or elk beyond that range. Too many things can go wrong - wind is only one of them.
: The .338 Lapua uses much more expensive ammo which is unabtainable most anywhere - while .338 WM is stocked in every sporting good store I know of - at least in this country.
: The .338 WM does well with good quality bullets, while the extra velocity of the .338 Lapua pretty much demands premium bullets, which cost considerably more.
: While I hate all rounds that have redundant belts, I'd not even consider a .338 Lapua if someone gave it to me. I'd rebarrel it into something useable.
: There are those who think in terms of huge cases & higher velocity meaning that with them, they can obtain longer range killing power - most of those people lack the expertise to shoot big game at 200 yards, let alone any further out - hense the magnum, ultra magnum & short magnum craze. Not all of them lack the expertise, just most all. Many of those do most of their shooting, as Phil Spangenberger once said, on the typewriter.(keyboard nowadays)
: I have oberserved a large number of guys showing up at the range with the newest craze in ultra speed magnums. Most cannot keep 5 consecutive shots on a 100 yard target at 100 meters range, but hit it a few times, they declare the rifle sighted in and now think they can shoot moose or elk at 700 yards - that's what some advertizement said so it must be true.
: If we were restricted to a .308 or .30/06 (as many of them as you wanted & with free ammo, of course) we and the game would be better off. Both are 300 yard moose and elk ctgs.
: I'll climb down from the podium now. If you are offended by this, it struck home as it was meant to. If not, well, then perhaps you are one of the few who have the requisite skill & could actually use what little 'extra' actual killing power the .338 Lapua has over the .338 Winchester Magnum. You don't make it better by driving it faster, you only make it a bit flatter shooting, something that is as redundant as the .338 Magnum's and ost other's belts.

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Edited by Daryl_S (18/04/08 07:34 AM)

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Re: .338 lapua vs .338 win [Re: DarylS]
      #102668 - 17/04/08 01:17 PM

Hi Daryl

Thanks for the explaination. Not offended at all, I totally agree with you for the North American Big game that .30-06, .300 win mag or .308 should be good enough in a good shooters hand. I was just curious as to what the actual difference is, it sounds just the extra velocity of the .338 lapua which would not be required for North American Big game. Moreover it is an expensive round.

And the friend who owns the rifle has used it on his international hunting trips to take down Marco Polo sheeps, a few Argali's in Mongolia and some Red Stags in New Zealand. I think .338 lapua is a suitable cartridge for longer distance ranges which are common in these exotic hunts around the globe. And the longest shot he has made with the Lapua is a 550 yard hit on a Marco Polo sheep. Which is a lot more distance for me to hit, haha. I wish I can shoot a deer at 100 yards with my one and only Centerfire .270 FN rifle.

Thanks

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Re: .338 lapua vs .338 win [Re: gpsb]
      #102680 - 17/04/08 08:13 PM

Remingto 700 have the Police model in 338 Lapua. One plus with this rifle is that Remington had to do away with that little internal extractor and use a Sako/Howa style. However, the bolt nose is very thin when opened for the Lapua case.

Unless someone just likes the 338 Lapua then the 338 RUM is the way to go. Only a couple of grains smaller case capacity. 338 Lapua brass is heading into 338/378 Wby price but with a much smaller case than the 338/378.

I have chronographed about all the 338s and from 26 inch barrrels.

With 250 grainers

338 Win 2750
340 Wby 2900
338 Lapua and 338 Rum hover around 3000
338/378 3100 plus

So the 338 Win and 338/378 are about like comparing the 30/06 and 300 Winchester. Although where that comparison is not totally valid is the difference in brass/ammo costs between 338 and 338/378 is much greater and the 338/378 is far more restrictive for suitable actions or rifles.

Also, the jump in recoil from the 338 Win to the 338/378 is huge. In the case of the 30/06 to 300 Win you are going from sometning that is mild in recoil but the 338 Win already has plenty of recoil to start with.

For a 338/378 to be used to its advantage they need a muzzle brake and thus hearing protection while shooting.

A mate of mine has a 338 RUM made on a Rem 700 and they are noticeanly milder to shoot than the 338/378

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Re: .338 lapua vs .338 win [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #102697 - 17/04/08 10:41 PM

I don't know much about the .338 Lapua - shot a demo model AWP in the late 80s/early 90s when that rifle was being considered by the British military - but I was always surprised at how "slow" the published velocities are with such a massive case. I guess that its reputation as a long range round really comes from the 300-350(?) grain bullets and not its velocity with 250s. I take it that its the same .338 Lapua, i.e. a necked down .416 Rigby?

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Re: .338 lapua vs .338 win [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #102714 - 18/04/08 01:45 AM

i.e. a necked down .416 Rigby?

Actually the 338 Lapua is a shortened Rigby and with a more slopy shoulder for feeding. Thus with the sloping shoulder it has less capacity than if it was just a shortened the Rigby.

The idea behind the case is to get the required case capacity from a cartridge that is not overly long and at the same time being a cartrdige with taper and slopy shoulder. The 338 RUM is about the came capacity but a bit longer and does not have the taper. Although the 338 RM is shorter than the 300 RUM, 300 Wby case etc.

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Re: .338 lapua vs .338 win [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #102726 - 18/04/08 04:26 AM

Heym builds itīs Express Rifle in .338 Lapua on request.

Rolf

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Re: .338 lapua vs .338 win [Re: Rolf]
      #102749 - 18/04/08 10:33 AM

The 338 Lapua overbore capacity and cartridge characteristics make it capable of fine long range accuracy out to 800 yds and then some.Its burn characteristics and (relatively)compact powder column promote long range accuracy.It was NOT designed as a hunting cartridge.

It has no measurable advantage at hunting distances over a 340 Wby which has similar powder capacity.

I agree with Daryl that the 338 Wm is a 300 yd cartridge and a great one at that.Thats what I took to africa for plains game and it worked great out to 286 yds on a mountain Zebra and other closer animals.

I hope to like the 338-378 Wby round for shots out to 450 yds.I am shooting various loads but don't have the accuracy I want yet.250 gr at 3000 fps with great accuracy is my goal.

Time will tell---

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Re: .338 lapua vs .338 win [Re: Rolf]
      #102775 - 18/04/08 06:20 PM

Quote:

Heym builds itīs Express Rifle in .338 Lapua on request.

Rolf



Thats right Rolf here it is from their spiel

Available Calibers
| 338 Lapua | 378 Wby | 425 Express | 416 Rigby | 416 Wby | 416 Rem | 404 Jeffery | 460 Wby | 450 Rigby | 450 Ackley |
| 500 Jeffery | 505 Gibbs | 577 NE | 600 NE |



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Re: .338 lapua vs .338 win [Re: gpsb]
      #102938 - 20/04/08 12:12 AM

Gikki,

Jonathan Tomlinson who designed the 338 Lapua posts here. He is one of the nicest people to talk to - his login ID is JTomlinson. If you have any questions, he would be the best person to speak to.

I'll call you later today. Sorry, I was swamped with work and couldn't through the week.

Cheers!

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Re: .338 lapua vs .338 win [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #102951 - 20/04/08 01:55 AM

Hi Mehul,

Thanks. I will keep that in mind and talk to Jonathan if I have questions regarding .338 lapua. I am heading out to the gun shop , just to see any new entries. haha. Talk to you later.

Gikki

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