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Sarg
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J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos
#93648 - 06/01/08 09:12 PM

Well I think I can post photos now ! so here are some of my Tolly 12 Bore rifle ,it has 24in barrels with 3in chambers ,weight is 14 lbs 14oz & is Nitro proofed ,Came from England via Namibia via India from England ,was the rifle of globe trotting big game hunting Maharajah, so I was told ?

Edited by DRarchive (29/07/08 09:47 PM)

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: Sarg]
#93649 - 06/01/08 10:46 PM

Very nice rifle, Mark. I am intrigued by the Tolley 'Giant Grip', as you know. That is the best example I've seen.

Quite unique engraving, too. Fascinating!

Please remind us: what was the charge again? I remember it was bloody heavy! One hell of a stopper!

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: Marrakai]
#93655 - 06/01/08 11:41 PM

Fabulous! I would love to see more detail.

Curl

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: Sarg]
#93693 - 07/01/08 05:43 AM

What a stunning paradox you have there, congratulations. That grade is a special order, and imagine the gun is of royal descent. Is there a crest, or elaborate initials on the stock oval?

Holt's should have given some kind of provence in there description.

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: Sarg]
#93710 - 07/01/08 08:54 AM

Hey Sarg!

Thats a very nice rifle you have there...congratulation for sure..

Thank you for posting those pictures of yours. I have saved them in a file now

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: rigbymauser]
#93774 - 07/01/08 09:33 PM

Thank you all ,yes it is a awesome beasty thing ,I love it ,

Marrakai - I,m not sure on the load,the least any one has come up with is 8 dram and a couple of chaps who know this stuff said 11 to 12 dram ,with light 600gr to 750gr at high speed 1800 to 2000 Fps ,slow twist 1 in 80in -fixed 100 yard to 300 yard sights, may be ,eh??

Curl - Shit

I thought I had good detail was pleased with close up photos ,what were you meaning ?

Sinner - No not paradox ,has full rifeing ,but not deep or normal Bore 722" Groove 735"
no sign of crest or initials -no stock oval ,again I was told it is a best gun !
I,m sorry to say Holts have not been overly helpful ( to say the least ) on the whole thing !

Does any one know who or where Tollys rocords might be ??

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: Sarg]
#93784 - 07/01/08 11:32 PM

Oh, I'm not criticizing the photo you posted. I would like to see more views of the details of the rifle. Action open, water table, barrel flats, etc.

Thanks,
Curl

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: CptCurl]
#93802 - 08/01/08 05:13 AM

I think you're right, Sarg - the weight is high, and the twist slow, indicating heavy charges and light, short bullets or round ball.
: I wasn't aware 12 bores shot over 7 drams. Is there no load data on the table or barrels?
; The 14 pound + weight surely indicates very heavy powder loading, that's for sure. The twist indicates short bullets or ball.
: Very nice re-finish. The 'fences show nicely and are 'special' I believe.

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: DarylS]
#93830 - 08/01/08 10:18 AM

fences that are chiseled in this pattern or other patterns are called "arcaded fences" by gunmaker Stephen Dodd Hughes in his latest gunsmithing book.

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: Sarg]
#93831 - 08/01/08 10:26 AM

Wow!!
Magnificent!!
Like Curl, I'd love to see some more photos.
Thanks

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: 4seventy]
#93844 - 08/01/08 02:54 PM

Ok, it,s a rainy day here and I did stock (cattle) work yesterday ,so I took some more photos

This is the 3in shells that were in the case with it next to 2 3/4 slug .

I hope I got the ones you guys were after ??

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: Sarg]
#93858 - 08/01/08 09:29 PM

Tbanks for the photos of the table and barrel bottoms. That top wedge is so cool, too. The engraving - well, my heart skipped a beat or two. Such a lucky guy to find that one - and the weight of the breeches - WOW!

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: DarylS]
#93862 - 08/01/08 10:52 PM

Buckbrush:
I haven't seen Stephen Dodd Hughes' book, but just for the record, 'arcaded fences' get their name from
the arched entrance to a typical English arcade in Victorian times, and look like this:

That Tolley has quite unique carved fences, part fluted, part beaded, perhaps part arcaded, certainly 'special' as Daryl says!
The fitting of the Giant Grip third fastener does not lend itself to 'standard' fences, that's for sure!

Again, marvellous gun Sarge! Thanks for the extra photos.

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: Marrakai]
#93863 - 08/01/08 11:22 PM

Yes, thanks very much.

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: CptCurl]
#93919 - 09/01/08 05:41 PM

The carved fences and XXXXgh forget it, just so many features to admire. The complete rifle is breath-taking from any and every angle

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: dale]
#93922 - 09/01/08 07:03 PM

Words can not describe this incredibly beautiful rifle! Is that a snake attacking a bird on the fore end catch? The rifle does not look like it has much ware. I can almost smell the oil & gun powder! Kia Ora

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: Nakihunter]
#93939 - 09/01/08 11:16 PM

What can I say after reading and agreeing with the above comments.

"Bloody beautiful"

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
#96383 - 09/02/08 01:14 PM

Did you measure the chamber length?? A buddy of mine had a 15 lb. H&H, 4.5" case!! It was a 9 dram gun. I had an H&H 12 which had 3" chambers and was 6-7 drams. Your rifle is beautiful!

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: jaz]
#96423 - 10/02/08 07:04 AM

jaz : Thank you for the info ,yes 3in chamber ,it may have been a Nitro gun from the start as there are no marks to say other wise & it only has modern Nitro repoof marks !
I suppose if I had some BP I could have filled the vintage brass cases that came with to see what they held with a card & ball ?
Seems a little heavy for a 7 dram gun ??
Unless the guy was a poof ?

Thanks again !

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: Sarg]
#96426 - 10/02/08 07:36 AM

sarg

have you looked into the other numbers that are on the gun WR 107160, they might give you an idea if other makers were involved on this tolly, they might even have daybooks. who knows ?

just thought it could give you something.

WR (westly richards) perhaps

good luck

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: peter]
#96556 - 11/02/08 07:02 PM

Peter ; I,ve been told it may have some thing to do with gun laws in some African countries

Like - Weapon Registration - # .I thought the same as you ,but you would hope Westley Richards would do better engraveing ?

Thanks

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Re: J.& W. Tolly 12 Bore Rifle - Photos [Re: Sarg]
#96560 - 11/02/08 07:50 PM

Quote:

Like - Weapon Registration - # .I thought the same as you ,but you would hope Westley Richards would do better engraveing ?

Thanks

hell yes, i was just wondering about those numbers.

regards

peter

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