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Plains99
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Re: Remington to Acquire Marlin Firearms... [Re: 500Nitro]
      #94461 - 17/01/08 06:59 AM

"Remember, Remington will also own H&R and NEF. With the rise of popularity of the whole series of T/C singleshot rifles {multibarrel guns}"

Where did you read or hear that? T/C sales do not hold a candle to either H&R or NEF. I'd hardly think I'd want to go the high priced nitch market that T/C represents and trade it for the H&R or NEF market share.


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Re: Remington to Acquire Marlin Firearms... [Re: Plains99]
      #94485 - 17/01/08 11:01 AM

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"Remember, Remington will also own H&R and NEF. With the rise of popularity of the whole series of T/C singleshot rifles {multibarrel guns}"

Where did you read or hear that? T/C sales do not hold a candle to either H&R or NEF. I'd hardly think I'd want to go the high priced nitch market that T/C represents and trade it for the H&R or NEF market share.




Plains, I am not implying that Remington will deep-six the inexpensive H&R and NEF models, merely making the observation that the H&R/NEF guns represent another option for expansion for Remington. Remington gets Marlin but also a line which is radically different both to the Marlin offerings and to anything Remington currently sells. As I understand it, the H&R/NEF guns are sold en masse not just here in the USA but also overseas. Remington, with the acquisition of Marlin gets the lever market and what just may be the most popular single shots worldwide.

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Plains99
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Re: Remington to Acquire Marlin Firearms... [Re: 9.3x57]
      #94578 - 18/01/08 07:04 AM

I wasn't offended. I was letting my anti-T/C bias show through, I guess. I honestly wonder if the press saying that Remington bought Marlin is really accurate. The holding company that owns Remington is really buying Marlin. I'm beginning to wonder just what is going on. I can see why S&W is expanding. They are doing very well right now and can reasonably expand their line and market share. Remington, I wonder about. They showed a profit last year but for the amount of dollars they turned it was pitiful and could certainly be erased overnight by an economic downturn. And their rifles are dated... not so much the rifles but the manufacturing techniques. It is possible right now to manufacture a very accurate bolt action rifle for a very low manufacturing cost. My examples are Mossberg, Stevens, and now Marlin. I have three new Mossbergs in .30-06, .243, and .25-06 that are extremely accurate and the highest retail cost for any of them was $335! Both the O6 and the .243 were less than $300. Now Marlin is coming out with a new rifle with what is essentially the same thing as an accu-trigger and it will retail for less than $300. I'm going to be examining one at the Shot Show in a couple of weeks but I'll bet it will be a real decent entry level rifle. I'm wondering if this investment company is looking at a weak company (Remington) and positioning itself to use the brand name to take advantage of new manufacturing techniques and turn a potential disaster into a profit maker. Buying Marlin would give them that opportunity. Look at Winchester as a prime example. They closed down a dinosaur of a plant and are now manufacturing a new Model 70 somewhere else and I'll bet with state of the art manufacturing equipment and some dramatic (internal?) changes to the model... I'll look at one of them at the Shot Show as well. I think that what we are seeing is the beginning of some dramatic changes in the gun manufacturing industry.
As for my recent Mossberg rifle purchases, I have been very satisfied. All three will perform with any mass market rifle on the market... and at almost half the cost of a Remington. That is bound to change buying decisions by the new buyers... who don't give a whit about brand name if the thing shoots and handles well. Remington, right now, can't compete on the entry level market and really doesn't have a good bolt action to compete for the high grade rifle market. They have to buy foreign rifles to do that. They need to go one way or the other... or both. But not with what they are offering right now.


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Re: Remington to Acquire Marlin Firearms... [Re: 500Nitro]
      #95197 - 26/01/08 03:53 AM

I have a left hand "Charles Daly" Zastava '98 magnum action. I found it last year on an internet search. It is ok considering the relatively low cost. But, it will need quite a bit of smoothing internally to get it to feed anything properly/reliably. It was worth the money, since it is rare to find one in left hand and I don't think Rem is introducing anything left handed in the 798. No lefty's from Win either, at least for now.

As to the original thread, I don't see any good coming from Rem's purchase of Marlin. Hopefully, Rem will not change things too much.

Thanks..................Lee


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Re: Remington to Acquire Marlin Firearms... [Re: wellplugger]
      #95205 - 26/01/08 04:35 AM

If I were left handed I'd seriously consider it. I had a Zastava 98 double trigger in .30-06 for a while (bought it from cdnnsports). Replaced the fonky stock with a Boyd's JRS and that rifle was exceptionally accurate. I sold it and sometimes wish I hadn't. The action was a bit rough but it never misfed or was unrealiable. I have a .458 Win Mag CZ and it is an excellent rifle although a bit rough. A rough action can be easily smoothed out by any competent gunsmith at minimal cost but I haven't felt the need to do it. I doubt that I'll do anything with my CZ except shoot it and let it smooth out with use.

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Re: Remington to Acquire Marlin Firearms... [Re: wellplugger]
      #95898 - 04/02/08 04:54 AM

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I have a left hand "Charles Daly" Zastava '98 magnum action. I found it last year on an internet search. It is ok considering the relatively low cost. But, it will need quite a bit of smoothing internally to get it to feed anything properly/reliably. It was worth the money, since it is rare to find one in left hand and I don't think Rem is introducing anything left handed in the 798. No lefty's from Win either, at least for now.






Actually, on what I read they are going to offer a left hand version--in fact if memory serves me correctly, the model tested by Boddington was a lefty..

I took a peak at one of these at SCI--overall it seems o.k..however the sights and safety are poorly configured and IMHO cheaply made..if I were to buy one I would switch that out first thing.. The action on the one I picked up seemed o.k. for what you were getting..but agree, I would have it worked by a gunsmith.

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Re: Remington to Acquire Marlin Firearms... [Re: Plains99]
      #95899 - 04/02/08 04:55 AM

They sold the company they held since 1924 some 83 years for something in the range for 40 million. And a piss poor dounut and coffee shop, a while back sold for 40 million and he didn't have that many stores when Lew Horton's bought it. Not a whole lot of money when you really get down to it. Connecticut has become real anti business and manafacturing the last 40 or so years. And maybe they just got tired of all of it. Or maybe there was nobody else in the family to take over the business. Either way It was there company and guess what till we go Communist in the US, they had every right to do what ever they wanted with it. Heck Micro Soft just offered 48 billion for Yahoo! 40 million is chump change when you get right down to it. It will not even buy you a G-V.

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Re: Remington to Acquire Marlin Firearms... [Re: Ripp]
      #96063 - 06/02/08 05:38 AM

Quote:

Quote:

I have a left hand "Charles Daly" Zastava '98 magnum action. I found it last year on an internet search. It is ok considering the relatively low cost. But, it will need quite a bit of smoothing internally to get it to feed anything properly/reliably. It was worth the money, since it is rare to find one in left hand and I don't think Rem is introducing anything left handed in the 798. No lefty's from Win either, at least for now.






Actually, on what I read they are going to offer a left hand version--in fact if memory serves me correctly, the model tested by Boddington was a lefty..

I took a peak at one of these at SCI--overall it seems o.k..however the sights and safety are poorly configured and IMHO cheaply made..if I were to buy one I would switch that out first thing.. The action on the one I picked up seemed o.k. for what you were getting..but agree, I would have it worked by a gunsmith.

Ripp




Thanks for the memory jogger. I will have to re-read the Boddington article. Seems since my last birthday my memory is getting shorter and shorter. I believe he was using a "one-off" lefty on the hunt. But I think he mentioned specifically that left handed models were not in the immediate future.

I will re-read the story if I can find the magazine. Do you remember the magazine it was published in? I think it was "American Rifleman" or was it "G&A".

Thanks................Lee


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Re: Remington to Acquire Marlin Firearms... [Re: wellplugger]
      #96100 - 06/02/08 01:41 PM

I really don't but I will check--I think the one I read it in was Peterson's Hunting, RifleShooter, Guns and Ammo or Shooting times.

Not sure that it really matters--sooner or later the same article makes it to all of them. I just caught them reprinting an article that was in the magazine 2 1/2 years ago--same photos in fact--sent them a email--no response--sent it again --still nothing..apparently in a state of denial

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Re: Remington to Acquire Marlin Firearms... [Re: Ripp]
      #96145 - 07/02/08 02:24 AM

Thanks Ripp. I forgot to look for the magazine last night. Again with the "short memeory span". You are correct in your comments regarding the publishers. All they care about is the money. It is always "about the money" isn't it. Have you ever counted the number of pages of ads in any magazine. Close to 50% ad space. Anyway, that is enough on that topic.

Probably pretty cold where you are these days. Everyone here is whining about overnight lows in the 40's. I lived in Wyo for several years and really miss the winter. Winter here is like late spring up north.

Thanks...................Lee


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Re: Remington to Acquire Marlin Firearms... [Re: wellplugger]
      #96222 - 08/02/08 01:32 AM

I Checked yesterday--it is in Guns and Ammo --around page 22---and it is a left hand version.

As to the weather,, went to my office yesterday in West Yellowstone--per the Forest Service--snowfall for the year is somewhere around 180 to 190" so far for the year..We are currently under a winter storm warning... for the next 2 days--suppose to be getting up to an additional 18" in the next day or so above 6000 ft in elevation--we are having a good old fashion winter which is great --we need the snow for the rivers and streams in the spring and summer..

Take care

Ripp

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Re: Remington to Acquire Marlin Firearms... [Re: Ripp]
      #96228 - 08/02/08 02:19 AM

Ripp - nice place to work! Is Budd Lilly's still there? Can't believe it is 10 years this Summer since I fished all those wonderful rivers around there!

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