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WyoHunter
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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: atkinson6]
#14867 - 17/05/04 12:25 PM

I own a custom built pre-64 Win M70 chambered for the .257 Ackley Improved and it has been excellent on whitetail, mule deer and pronghorn antelope. I use 100 gr Nosler Partitions and the results have been super. I also have a .257 Weatherby Mag in a Mark V Euromark. I use 115 gr Nosler Partitions in it and a flatter shooter there isn't. A better sheep, goat, deer or antelope cartridge with the same trajectory and recoil hasn't been made. But the bottom line with any cartridge is shot placement with a well designed bullet... shall I say "premium" bullet.

I'm not a fan of the .243 Win but my wife shot a Sako chambered for it for years before going to the .30-'06. She
shot whitetails, mule deer and antelope with it using 95 gr Nosler Partitions.
Here's a pic of my 2003 antelope taken with my .257 Weatherby Mag and a 115 gr Nosler Partition.

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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: WyoHunter]
#14889 - 18/05/04 01:32 AM

Beautiful antelope. That in one big game animal we do not have in B.C. but I would like introduced around Merit and Wiiliams Lake.

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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: luv2safari]
#14891 - 18/05/04 02:01 AM

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I do think that a 6.5 based on an '06 case would walk all over a 270 or 25-06

I know there is a wildcat that is a 300 Wby necked down to 6.5 mm, as well as a 6.5-50 BMG but a rifle in that chambering may be a little too heavy for hunting sheep and goats. Then again, you could probably sit at the base of the mountain and take the shot.

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WyoHunter
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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: AdamTayler]
#16255 - 27/06/04 02:05 PM

There is a wildcat 6.5/270 Improved that is an excellent round especially when loaded with 125 Nosler Partitions. This is claimed to be better than the 6.5/06 because of the greater capacity and stronger brass of the .270 case. Just for your info.....

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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: luv2safari]
#16260 - 27/06/04 04:23 PM

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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: luv2safari]
#16261 - 27/06/04 04:24 PM

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The 6.5 is starting to catch on a bit here. I wish it would even more; its a great little caliber. With a fast twist it can sail those 140's and 160's way down range, right on top of each other.

I know of a guy who does all his sheep hunting over here with a 6.5x55. Federal is loading it, and S&B is importing it here. That should tell us something.

I bought a Swedish Mauser about 6-7 years ago for a song...and I can't sing for sh.t! It just might become my light sporter... It is so straight, that I hesitate to have it customized. Help...I need a nudge...

Please don't do anything if that is a stock m96 or m38 Swede!!

These are no longer as commen as they once were and I just love those full dress militry. Get a swede already modified!

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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: Gibbs505]
#16271 - 27/06/04 06:40 PM

Well for what it's worth the 6.5 Mannlicher Schoenaur is the best kept secret in America, it was great a 100 years ago and is still tops in my book. A six pound gun that handles like a 28 guage double and with a set trigger and scope it can shoot there eyes out at 200 yards.

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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: luv2safari]
#16273 - 27/06/04 10:07 PM

luv2safari just a couple of pic's of my 6.5x55 Swede
a Gustof mdl38

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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: Gibbs505]
#16284 - 28/06/04 11:20 AM

Its an M96 that looks like it did the day it was issued...I am shooting about 2 1/2 to 3 inch groups with it at 100 yards with the military sights and Federal Premium ammo. It has a classic WWI look to it with the bayonet fixed.

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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: Gibbs505]
#16288 - 28/06/04 03:03 PM

Gibbs505

I would have to agree with you the 6.5 is a potent little cartridge. I own a mdl 700 in 6.5 and wouldnt trade it for nothing. I was shooting factory Norma 140 but their becoming hard to find so I went to federal classics with very good results. Im currently trying to purchase my partners sporterized mdl 38 with mannlicher stock,a little hefty but classy..Good luck with the fires

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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: luv2safari]
#16289 - 28/06/04 03:21 PM

It sounds like a great rifle!! I have a M96 and a sporterised M38(I didn't do it!)

Both shoot just great and the M38 has won me therr trophies at our annual vintage rifle shoot!

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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: THE_SWEDE]
#16290 - 28/06/04 03:25 PM

Thanks, we had rain today so hopefully that will dampen the fires down. Had about 20 burning in the reagion but only one was of any majour concern to the population!

I shoot 159 grn hornady's in my M38 and it is a very accurate load indeed!

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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: Gibbs505]
#17030 - 22/07/04 06:28 PM

I've had a passion for both the 25 and 6.5 cals for many years. My first 6.5 was a slightly sporterised Mod96 which the Importer here in Australia had shortened the barrel and fore wood on, turned the bolt down and then fitted Lynx steel scope mounts and rings to. It shot like a dream. I hunted with the rifle for several years and it never failed to impress me with it's capabilities.
Actually, the cartridge impressed me so much that I went out and bought a Ljungman AG42B, the semi-auto ex-mil Swede rifle. Fed a diet of the ex-mil ammo (139gn FMJ - which was actually ex-mil target ammo) this rifle really was a piecce of fine machinery. Then I had to sell it, thanks to the EX-wife, but I would have had to pass it in anyway when our laws on semi-auto's went hopping to hell in a handbasket!!!
I now have a 6.5 again, this time a Husqvarna 1942 M38. In great condition with a good bore, it performs better than I can hold at 300Metres. I started feeding it reloads using 140 HP Taipans over Mulwex AR powder but am in the process of changing to 120gn Sierra's instead.
As for the 25 cal, I have always thought the 257Roberts was the ideal all-round general light to medium calibre for Australian game. As such I've got a hankering to add one to the safe one of these days.
So, it was no surprise that I snaffled a 303-25 SMLE barrel for $20 when it came along. The owner had recently converted his No1MkIII 303-25 sporter back to a mil issue 303 for SSAA-CSR comp and no longer wanted the barrel. I had a shot out 303-22 Falcon No1MkIII* which was doing nought, so the switch was made. My 303-25 is rather rough in it's stock work but has nonetheless performed admirably on feral pigs. It will soon have a synthetic stock, scope mounts and a scope, thus becoming my primary hunting outfit for goat, pig & deer.

So, I'd say yes there is a need for both of these as different shooters/hunters have differing ideals on what they want and can handle.

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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: Gunnie]
#17054 - 23/07/04 07:07 AM

WE have our Vintage Rifle Shoot here on saturday and I will let you all know how I did!!

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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: NitroX]
#23215 - 03/01/05 05:59 AM

in my opinion I think the 243 is a great cartridge. I think for varmints that the 55 and 70 gr 6mm pills are superior to any of the 22's. With 80 to 100gr bullets it is a great long range deer cartridge with proper shot placement. I have killed countless deer with it with all the bullet ranges from 55gr to 100gr.

We had a youth only hunt this weekend for deer here in Kentucky. My nephew who is only 11 years old killed a buck and a doe yesterday, and another doe this morning as we are only allowed one buck in kentucky and two of three does .one of the shots was about 200 yds and the other 2 were 250 yds with an 87 gr hornady v-max varmint bullet.These were measured using a laser range finder. All three shot straight through both shoulders, and all three dropped in their tracks. Although I dont recommend the varmint bullets though. Most of the time I use BT bullets, barnes X etc. they work great. I could go on for a long time about the little 243 but this would get very long.

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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: slammer6delta]
#23219 - 03/01/05 06:23 AM

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But what can a .243 or a .25 do that a 6.5 can't do with a 85 to 100 gr bullet?

Also the 6.5mm with a 140 to 160 gr bullet will outshoot any of them by a huge margin and preform better than a .270 and even a 7mm for that matter. Don't you agree?

For God's sake don't ever let the women in this country ever hear that if we had a 6.5-06 that we then don't need a .270, a .25-06, a .257 Roberts, a .243 and a .22-250.

sshshshshhhhhhhh there.....

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Re: Is there any need for the .243 or .25? [Re: vapodog]
#24197 - 15/01/05 03:20 PM

I proudly showed my wife the 3/4" groups I shot off a folding picnic table with my Mauser 66 sporter weight 243 barrel with 55gn Noslers at a bit over 4000fps. She then suggested that I didn't need my 222 Sako sporter or 22PPC or....

Bad mistake.

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