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Please excuse my ignorance but what action did Lloyd use? That looks a bit like a Rem Model 30, a factory rebuild of the M17.

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TR shooting which is probably the largest user of Iron sights (peep) is dying scopes have moved in. Small bore (22) is probably holding its own every other discipline is going gang busters all scoped.
The BBRG Nationals had how many shooters.
And i haven't touched on the vermin shooting Brigade.
Lazers are quietly moving in with thermals, starlight died.
Times and gear is certainly changing

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Here in Scotland we pretty much all use telescopic sights. Indeed most use a 4-12x50 or 56 type scope, if not more powerful, all with lots of clicky turrets etc.

Go back 30 years a 4x32 or a 6x42 was considered a powerful optic.

With the David Lloyd rifles you need look at them with regard to when the were built. David Lloyd died in the mid 1990’s in his 80’s.

When he developed and patented his mounting system most sporting rifles still were open sighted and if scoped, scope mounts were flimsy affairs easily knocked off zero. The David Lloyd Rifles were built to maintain zero and they generally did very well.

In the past when a Gentleman or a Lady bought a rifle the rifle “shot and regulated” for a particular ammunition. Open sights would be filed in for such ammo, and scope zeroed for such ammo.

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Please excuse my ignorance but what action did Lloyd use? That looks a bit like a Rem Model 30, a factory rebuild of the M17.

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Thanks for the info. I see he bent the bolt handle back so the bolt nob is close to the trigger.

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I think it should be mandatory for any new shooter to learn using open sights, not start with optics. IMO. Of course lesser eyesight forces some to for go open sights.

When younger I could shoot very well with my open sights. With good eyesight it merely a skill to learn.

No doubt the smartphone glued Creedmoor obsessed generation disagrees.

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Hell John. Today's snowflakes can't change a spare tire or do arithmetic. A letter written in cursive is some strange code to them.

Do you actually believe they'll frustrate themselves with open sights. They're too complicated.

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I like your paratrooper 30-30.

I agree that in bad weather open sights are less of a problem than scopes.

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Absolutely.

I should have been clear. It is a 94 but it's one of those tang safety factory .44 magnums.

i hated the tang safety so i drilled a hole, threaded it and set a machine screw in it to block it.



the folding stock idea i got from a local old timer who had the idea back in the '50's. gun and old timer long gone now.




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Hell John. Today's snowflakes can't change a spare tire or do arithmetic. A letter written in cursive is some strange code to them.

Do you actually believe they'll frustrate themselves with open sights. They're too complicated.

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Change a tyre? Don't you have a smartphone to telephone a roadside assistant?

Arithmetic ? What, I've got a calculator on my smartphone for that.

Cursive? That's like Arabic. Who needs to use a pen and paper. Pens and paper is destroying the planit. So "boomer" old school. I just send a text via my smartphone.

The smarter phones get, the dumber people get.

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I'm not going into the discussion between open sights pro and con.
I have always attached great importance to the metallic sight line on the rifles we manufacture.
Of course we respect the requirements of our customers but, for me, a rifle without a set of perfectly regulated metallic sights and without an hand fitted quick detachable scope mount guaranteeing a perfect return to zero is not a real rifleman rifle....
I also note that many forget all the benefits that the addition of a quality diopter can bring to our ageing eyes.
This is just my personal opinion and I don't impose it on anyone.

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I'm not going into the discussion between open sights pro and con.
I have always attached great importance to the metallic sight line on the rifles we manufacture.
Of course we respect the requirements of our customers but, for me, a rifle without a set of perfectly regulated metallic sights and without an hand fitted quick detachable scope mount guaranteeing a perfect return to zero is not a real rifleman rifle....
I also note that many forget all the benefits that the addition of a quality diopter can bring to our ageing eyes.
This is just my personal opinion and I don't impose it on anyone.

DORLEAC
www.dorleac-dorleac.com

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Good post as one would expect.

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when the rifle have no scope iron sights are essential. if there is a scope and the rifle have no iron sights the rifle looks like cultural bolshevism

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Funny.

I succumbed to trendy fashion and removed open sights from my Parker Hale M98 .30-06. if I could find them again, I'd restore them. Just looks better, especially now as the MontecCarlo stock was replaced with a bespoke modern "American" style classic stock.

My old Remington 788 .222 has no open sights, removed. It doesn't matter on that rifle.

Modern makers make rifles with cheap and nasty stocks, plastic, synthetic, composite, ugly rifles, no open sights, picatinny rails etc. All for cost reasons. Entirely suitable for a 6.5 Creedmoor type rifle. A classic 6.5x55 rifle would demand more style.

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