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Ripp
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PSL 7.62x54R-- A Soviet Snipers-view-of-the- Romanian-rifle
#324374 - 07/02/19 10:59 AM

http://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/psl...an-rifle/331799

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Re: PSL 7.62x54R-- A Soviet Snipers-view-of-the- Romanian-rifle [Re: Ripp]
#324380 - 07/02/19 12:42 PM

I wonder if that rifle is being used by the Ukrainian snipers. Friend of mine was filling me on on the on-going Russian invasion. It is not going well for either country, especially Russia.

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Re: PSL 7.62x54R-- A Soviet Snipers-view-of-the- Romanian-rifle [Re: DarylS]
#324390 - 07/02/19 02:02 PM

I owned one several years ago. It was fun to shoot but accuracy was sub par. Admittedly I could never find any match grade ammunition for it.

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Re: PSL 7.62x54R-- A Soviet Snipers-view-of-the- Romanian-rifle [Re: DarylS]
#324405 - 08/02/19 05:12 AM

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I wonder if that rifle is being used by the Ukrainian snipers. Friend of mine was filling me on on the on-going Russian invasion. It is not going well for either country, especially Russia.

I have no idea..too bad on whats going on over there...

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Re: PSL 7.62x54R-- A Soviet Snipers-view-of-the- Romanian-rifle [Re: DarylS]
#324406 - 08/02/19 05:12 AM

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I wonder if that rifle is being used by the Ukrainian snipers. Friend of mine was filling me on on the on-going Russian invasion. It is not going well for either country, especially Russia.

I have no idea..too bad on whats going on over there...

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Re: PSL 7.62x54R-- A Soviet Snipers-view-of-the- Romanian-rifle [Re: Ripp]
#324407 - 08/02/19 05:34 AM

Yeah - #'s running approx. 25,000 dead Russians, buried in unmarked mass graves in or near a few Ukraine towns. I was told the Russian civilians were kept in the dark over what is actually happening. Close to 5,000 Ukraine soldiers dead. It goes on. Not sure why the media here is silent about it. Of course Communism is the new push here by Utopia seeking millennials and those older, many in their 30's. WE would do it properly, is the key tone.

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Re: PSL 7.62x54R-- A Soviet Snipers-view-of-the- Romanian-rifle [Re: Wayne59]
#324411 - 08/02/19 07:39 AM

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I owned one several years ago. It was fun to shoot but accuracy was sub par. Admittedly I could never find any match grade ammunition for it.

NONE of the AK derivatives are known for superb accuracy. The design itself is not conducive to the type of mechanical precision the AR system, for example, inherently possesses. Notably the gas/operating rod assembly attached to the barrel plays havoc with harmonics. Some custom outfits have worked up pretty accurate AK derivatives, but in regular commercial and military production forget it.

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Re: PSL 7.62x54R-- A Soviet Snipers-view-of-the- Romanian-rifle [Re: 9.3x57]
#324434 - 09/02/19 12:52 AM

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I owned one several years ago. It was fun to shoot but accuracy was sub par. Admittedly I could never find any match grade ammunition for it.

NONE of the AK derivatives are known for superb accuracy. The design itself is not conducive to the type of mechanical precision the AR system, for example, inherently possesses. Notably the gas/operating rod assembly attached to the barrel plays havoc with harmonics. Some custom outfits have worked up pretty accurate AK derivatives, but in regular commercial and military production forget it.

The little I know of this subject, and only by reading and listening to others, the above is always what I have been told as well..not take drivers, as you state, as per the design itself..did not know one of the culprits was the actually gas/operating rod assembly.. thx

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Re: PSL 7.62x54R-- A Soviet Snipers-view-of-the- Romanian-rifle [Re: Ripp]
#324446 - 09/02/19 06:05 AM

Yes - interesting.

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Re: PSL 7.62x54R-- A Soviet Snipers-view-of-the- Romanian-rifle [Re: 9.3x57]
#324471 - 09/02/19 09:47 AM

A good write up and informative.

For a semi auto Sniper rifle I would prefer an M14 followed by an AR platform then the Com block rifles. For a standard range combat rifle I would take an AK over the AR any day.

The AR platform is/can be more accurate than the M14 but the M14 has the reliability that almost matches the AK's. For a normal range combat weapon the AK is more reliable and less maintenance centric than the AR platform. Hence my choices.

Having shot an SR25 (if I have the designation correct- Knights Armament AR in 308) I would love one of these just for the .75MOA five shot groups I managed with it, but not in a combat situation. Tolerances were that tight it did not take much to gum it up.

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Re: PSL 7.62x54R-- A Soviet Snipers-view-of-the- Romanian-rifle [Re: Rule303]
#324488 - 10/02/19 07:00 AM

Couiple outfits in the States making VERY accurate AR platforms. Guys are getting gopher rifles made in them, from the .17Rem to some .20 cal wildcats. 5-shot groups running under 1/2" is the norm. Of course, these are for fighting field rats at long range, not 2 legged ones.
TheM14 is OK, but I really enjoyed shooting the FNFAL.

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Re: PSL 7.62x54R-- A Soviet Snipers-view-of-the- Romanian-rifle [Re: DarylS]
#324491 - 10/02/19 08:16 AM

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Couiple outfits in the States making VERY accurate AR platforms. Guys are getting gopher rifles made in them, from the .17Rem to some .20 cal wildcats. 5-shot groups running under 1/2" is the norm. Of course, these are for fighting field rats at long range, not 2 legged ones.
TheM14 is OK, but I really enjoyed shooting the FNFAL.

Daryl the SLR -FNFAL - is my favourite but is not in the sniper rifle arena as for tight groups. I could most likely still strip one down and put back together blindfolded and have not handled one in 30 years. Damned Australian firearm laws.

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Re: PSL 7.62x54R-- A Soviet Snipers-view-of-the- Romanian-rifle [Re: Rule303]
#324508 - 11/02/19 02:31 AM

The SVD was always overrated, and more of a designated marksman rifle than a true sniper’s rifle, similar to the M1C and M1D. The role of a DM and a sniper are very different, and often confused.

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