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Re: The best-30-06-based-cartridge..??? [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #308893 - 11/12/17 12:39 AM

"The .30-06 shares the head and rim dimensions with the 8x57. No matter what was the motivation for the change of the rifle/cartridge from the Krag/30-40 to the Springfield 30-03/30-06."


no wonder, it was a pure copy of the 8x57, just lengthened for the inferiour american nitro powder and necked down for the .30 caliber. a better cartridge btw. is the 8x64 Brennecke!




"The FIRST Mauser smokeless designed cartridge was the great 7,65x53 (or 7,65x53,5 or 7,65x54)for the Belgian 1889 Mauser. By the way, in my opinion the 7,65 Mauser Belgian (Turkish and Argentine)is one of the best Military Mauser cartridge of that era, as modern then as now!"

excuse me, where do you coming from?


no, joke apart its a fine cartridge
dont know if there was a commercial hunting load before ww2?


today, the best cartridge from this big family is imho, the 308 Win.
nothing more than a shortened 30 06 loaded with then very modern ball powder to get close to 30 06 ballistic there are now 70 years developtment from every mayor ammo maker worldwide in this cartridge.

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Re: The best-30-06-based-cartridge..??? [Re: lancaster]
      #308896 - 11/12/17 01:55 AM

OK next question, is the 7x57 and the .275 Rigby cartridge exactly the same? As I have always thought. Seeing if another of my beliefs is crushed.

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Re: The best-30-06-based-cartridge..??? [Re: NitroX]
      #308901 - 11/12/17 03:38 AM

thinking there is only production tolerance between the maximum and minimum measurments of the 7x57
a cartridge could never be 100% exact so ammo maker have to be inside of the tolerance to make the cartridge fit in every chamber.

chambers have again maximum/minimum tolerance

measurments probably taken from old rounds
http://www.municion.org/





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Re: The best-30-06-based-cartridge..??? [Re: lancaster]
      #308903 - 11/12/17 03:57 AM

Hi lancaster...

Je,je...!

Joke apart, the 7,65x53 Belgian Mauser cartridge (the identification, mainly in the USA, as the Argentine Mauser is due, I think to the flood of "our" 1891 and 1909 Mausers....imported there in the '60 and '70), it is VERY similar to the .308 Win / 7,62x51 NATO, and the 7,5x54 French as well. But only 50 years or so before the French one...
The lenght of the cartridge, the short neck, and the ballistics of the 7,65x53 Mauser, with the powders of that era, makes them a wonderful military cartridge, even with today standars!!
It is said it was the favorite of the Mauser itself...
Here, in Argentina, it is still used for hunting, because our fantastic Mausers relatively available.
It is common to use .30-06 cases converted, very easy, to the 7,65x53. Bullets are available in Sierra .311", although not exactly the bore size of the 7,65, and Hornady .312" are the most common.

Best!

PH

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Re: The best-30-06-based-cartridge..??? [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #308904 - 11/12/17 04:30 AM

Anyway, My favorite hunting Mauser cartridge is the 7x57, not the 7,65x53....

PH

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Re: The best-30-06-based-cartridge..??? [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #308906 - 11/12/17 05:08 AM

actually, find the Mauser 1891 very appealing and if I ever come to a sporterised 91









it would be a great temptation to form it in the old german style like the M 88 rifles




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Re: The best-30-06-based-cartridge..??? [Re: NitroX]
      #308910 - 11/12/17 11:15 AM

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OK next question, is the 7x57 and the .275 Rigby cartridge exactly the same? As I have always thought. Seeing if another of my beliefs is crushed.

I wonder if the .275 Rigby dimensions are taken from a chamber casting? The differences shown could be explained in that way.

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Re: The best-30-06-based-cartridge..??? [Re: lancaster]
      #308935 - 12/12/17 11:23 AM

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"The .30-06 shares the head and rim dimensions with the 8x57. No matter what was the motivation for the change of the rifle/cartridge from the Krag/30-40 to the Springfield 30-03/30-06."


no wonder, it was a pure copy of the 8x57, just lengthened for the inferiour american nitro powder and necked down for the .30 caliber. a better cartridge btw. is the 8x64 Brennecke!




"The FIRST Mauser smokeless designed cartridge was the great 7,65x53 (or 7,65x53,5 or 7,65x54)for the Belgian 1889 Mauser. By the way, in my opinion the 7,65 Mauser Belgian (Turkish and Argentine)is one of the best Military Mauser cartridge of that era, as modern then as now!"

excuse me, where do you coming from?


no, joke apart its a fine cartridge
dont know if there was a commercial hunting load before ww2?


today, the best cartridge from this big family is imho, the 308 Win.
nothing more than a shortened 30 06 loaded with then very modern ball powder to get close to 30 06 ballistic there are now 70 years developtment from every mayor ammo maker worldwide in this cartridge.



Sorry Lancaster the 308 is not based on the 30-06. A popular misconception, it is a lenghtend and strenghtend 300 Savage.

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