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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: DarylS]
      #299719 - 27/04/17 10:15 AM

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Those old single shot Borchardts made quite the varmint rifles, that's for sure.




Daryl, I miss that rifle.

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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: Ripp]
      #299880 - 01/05/17 01:48 PM

Browning Medallion grade .222 Rem Mag.( Sako Vixen action)
Browning Safari grade .22-250. (Both walking varminters with 22" barrels).
CZ 527 Varmint .223 with a 25.6" medium heavy barrel,6-18x scope and Harris 11-25" bipod.

Browning Safari,.22-250, Finnland, (Sako Forester action).


CZ 527 Varmint .223 Rem.


CZ 452 .22WMR with 3-9 Leupold.



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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: A_Pepsi_Cola_Can]
      #299889 - 01/05/17 07:22 PM

Some images of a customised JGA 17 HMR. A cruel friend insisted I customise this little varmint rifle for him, done about 10 years ago.

A stainless Lilja barrel fitted by John Giles, with a custom profile, then the rest of the work by me.

The original JGA stock reshaped, slimmed up a lot. I added some detailing but i wasn’t able to improve the lines through the grip much however. Ebony forend tip and grip cap. Most of these images were taken by the owner, wish he had taken better snaps of the grip cap.

Checkered 22 LPI, spent a lot of time on the checkering. The wood took the checkering very well. The wood was very light in colour so I added a lot of walnut colour to the finishing oil.

The action epoxy bedded and the scope rings lapped a bit. The owner said it shoots well when he is sober.

Lots of work on the bolt. A custom stainless bolt knob replacing the round plastic knob. The bolt body repolished and jewelled in a fine pattern.

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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: GABE93]
      #299891 - 01/05/17 08:00 PM

Hasnt seen much work in the old ute Gabe!

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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: gryphon]
      #299896 - 01/05/17 09:35 PM

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Hasnt seen much work in the old ute Gabe!




gryph, it has been in the back of the ute,but inside a case. It's his deluxe ute gun.

I tried to post images of it with his bipod mounted but they would not post properly,only the code for them came up in the post.


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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: GABE93]
      #299901 - 01/05/17 11:03 PM

Gabe, looks very nice, lovely checkering and nice bolt jewelling.

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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #299903 - 01/05/17 11:06 PM

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Gabe, looks very nice, lovely checkering and nice bolt jewelling.

Waidmannsheil.




Agreed--great looking little rifle...Lilja makes a great barrel..should be very accurate..

One major problem..the bolt is on the wrong side.


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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: GABE93]
      #299915 - 02/05/17 06:27 AM

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Hasnt seen much work in the old ute Gabe!




gryph, it has been in the back of the ute,but inside a case. It's his deluxe ute gun.

I tried to post images of it with his bipod mounted but they would not post properly,only the code for them came up in the post.




They haven't built a ute yet that allows for a quick rifle grab and thrust out of the window without knocking the rifle on something ha ha.Ute guns do carry the scars.

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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: gryphon]
      #299939 - 02/05/17 02:54 PM

This old bird, an A1 Sako Varmint, still easily shoots 1/4" 5-shot groups at 100 meters with match bullets and IMR4198, but I prefer AA2230 & 40gr. Blue Barnes or 40gr. Vmax and H4198 running between .275" -.350" for field rats.





My old CZ in .22 Hornet Lux does OK as well.



That action is now on my .17AH, which sits in a Cooper M38 stock and seems to want to shoot.





The little Martini .17HMR does as well.






.17Remington CZ does OK too.



I found the .17Rem can make head shots at 300yards. Here's looking At'cha!



Nice country to wander around in.



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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: DarylS]
      #300001 - 04/05/17 12:02 AM

I have never much partaken in the sport of "varminting" ie I mean long range sniping of small critters for fun. Which the term "varmint rifles" tends to suggest to me. I have of course taken reasonably long ranges at rabbits and in particular foxes with my smaller calibre rifles when hunting. Foxes in particular as while I love hunting them, I do tend to have a somewhat farmers attitude that they are a nuisance and need to be destroyed. Whether with a 400 metre plus shot from a .222 or using a shotgun loaded with shot for ducks.

While NE does concentrate on big bores, classic firearms, double rifles and big game hunting, virtually all the members enjoy their smaller calibre firearms as well. We had an enthusiastic thread on .22 rifles where members shared their rifles and comments.

My lighter calibre rifles centre mostly the .22 rimfires, and .22 Magnum. But my first rifle was a Remington 788 in .222 Remington. At the age of 15. At the time, the .222 was the most popular centrefire cartridge in Australia. Instilled in me a bias towards it and for no substantial reason against the later more popular .223. With my 788 .222 I have shot countless rabbits, a great many vine row hares, good numbers of foxes, some other hoppers over the years, hundreds and hundreds of feral goats, some pigs, some deer, even some head shot birds. My second rifle was a .22 RF Anshutz, I think my third was my .30-06 M98.

So I still have this Rem 788 .222. It is the original design. Ugly, very heavy, cheap, but very accurate.

I have a second .222 in a Mauser M03 barrel, which I now use a lot instead. Single shot firing it as the spring in the magazine has become too weak. Must get that fixed under warranty.

A third .222, in rimmed form, in a Martini-Cadet action. Admitedly hardly used by me, as it has open sights. I really do need to source some mounts and have a scope fitted. A .22 centrefire in my opinuon is for fine shooting usually at small targets and a scope is a must. Unless at closer range.

I have succumbed to a .223 in a Valmet/Tikka Under and Over barrel with a 12 gauge shotgun. I do like the idea of having a decent .223 as the "SHTF" rifle if the "zombie apocalypse" or something similar ever happens. 5.56mm ammo might be sourcable or scroungable.

Back to varmints, if I wanted a faste bigger case, i would go the classic .220 Swift. Once talked about a lot, no loner mentioned much. But the classic barrel burner, which are two reasons I like it, now unusual and classic, and fast.

The opposite, the .22 Hornet I love the idea of. Cheap to reload, easy to shoot. And does the job without fuss. And excessive damage to meat and fur. It is funny how we have the .222, .223, 5.6x50, .22/250, .220 etc etc, but to actually hunt and use these cartridges without damaging the meat to an extreme, or recover a fox fur pelt, the cartridge has to be DOWNLOADED to a .22 Hornet specs. Or for some of the above, shot at a distance carefully.

The old .17 Remington, I love the idea of. Its slower relative, the .17 Hornet or K-Hornet, or .17 Mach ?? or Bee, I forget????

Oneday I would also love to try the .17 rimfires. I fear to try them as maybe I will then stop using my .22 RF's and .22 CF's and they will gather dust just like my old trusty Rem 788 now does.

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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: NitroX]
      #300010 - 04/05/17 12:55 AM

Here's a 5-shot 100 meter case fireforming group I shot with my gopher shooting buddy's .17 Ackley Bee. The rifle was a light barrel M579 Sako in .22-250. There was too much recoil to see hits. He now loves this rifle.



Len REALLY likes this one. Yeah - that was a gopher. 20gr. Vmax at 4,000fps, fireforming brass.



I had one of those for a few years. Here is a couple groups shot with it, using a 6-18X Tasco spring loaded outdated model Varmint Scope.



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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: DarylS]
      #300011 - 04/05/17 01:04 AM

Nitro- the .17 HMR is quite effective. When we first tried them, we went right out to 240yards on field rats, but found we got too many crawl-offs.

We've not set a range limit of 200yards and this works out well, as the rifles we have for this round are capable of head and chest hits out to that range.

This little rimfire has proved to be quite accurate, with Len's Marlin holding in around 1/2" at 100 meters and my Martini doing a bit better when using Hornady or Fed 17gr. Vmax loads.

My new Marlin has shown to prefer the Winchester 20gr. HP loads and runs them just over 2,500fps (2,375fps factory stats), making it a much better round for slightly larger game, like fox and coyotes, than the Vmax 17gr., which is a bit soft for these.

This is a 5 shot group at 100 meters - a nasty variable shifting wind was giving me a bit of trouble, but I wanted to see how much 'these little pills' would be blown- all 5 shots held centre. BTW - this round is less disturbed by wind than the .22 Mag. & way less than the .22 LR.



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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: DarylS]
      #300026 - 04/05/17 03:42 AM

We also use .22LR's- like this Ruger 10-22. I no longer have any 25 round magazines as they have been deemed Prohibited Devices now, in Canada.




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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: DarylS]
      #300099 - 05/05/17 01:58 PM

Impressive shooting Daryl.Nice shooting range you got there in beautiful B.C. Wish I was there and would be if I didn't have to sell my house in Abbotsford.

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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #300112 - 05/05/17 04:09 PM

Yes - it certainly is a country to be thankful for. (aside from politics, that is)

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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: DarylS]
      #300116 - 05/05/17 05:09 PM

Yep keep Trudeau to yourselves ha ha.

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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: DarylS]
      #300162 - 06/05/17 11:25 AM

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Nitro- the .17 HMR is quite effective. When we first tried them, we went right out to 240yards on field rats, but found we got too many crawl-offs.

We've not set a range limit of 200yards and this works out well, as the rifles we have for this round are capable of head and chest hits out to that range.

This little rimfire has proved to be quite accurate, with Len's Marlin holding in around 1/2" at 100 meters and my Martini doing a bit better when using Hornady or Fed 17gr. Vmax loads.

My new Marlin has shown to prefer the Winchester 20gr. HP loads and runs them just over 2,500fps (2,375fps factory stats), making it a much better round for slightly larger game, like fox and coyotes, than the Vmax 17gr., which is a bit soft for these.





I have 3 rifles in 17HMR..2 being an Anchutz..one bull barrel that is very lethal not just on the gophers but also on Prairie dogs out to 200 and slightly over using Hornady ammo..have a Leupold 4-12 on it..incredibly accurate combination..another is a CZ--also very accurate with a set trigger..easily a 150yd rimfire...

The 22 mag has more of a "toss" factor when shooting the P-dogs..but not as flat shooting at the 17HMR...IMHO

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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: Ripp]
      #300168 - 06/05/17 02:20 PM

My 20 VarTarg is the result of starting with hornets and 22-250's in the 70's and wanting the manners of the hornet with the accuracy of the 22-250. The 17 Rem was troublesome with wind drift and fouling so while I liked the idea of the 17 on the fireball case the reputation of the 17cal put me off. When the 204 Ruger came out I started to see some daylight but thought that if the cartridge was the fireball case rather than the 222mag it would be about perfect. I googled 20-221 and all the information on this fantastic little cartridge was at my disposal.
I bought a X R 100 Rem in 204 and sent it off to be converted which was a simple chamber shortening of 16mm and rechambering with the 20 VarTarg reamer.

Shooting down into the .2s was common

But my skite group was a .084

I found the thumbhole stock to be a bear for a walking shooter so made a new conventional styled stock, had the barrel shortened and a suppressor added and now have about the perfect walking rabit rifle I could imagine.
I was able to get a two load combination to give me the best of both worlds with the 34gn Nosler shots bullet over 9.2gn Blue Dot for 2700fps with a 125yd zero on the same scope setting that has the 35gn Berger bullet at 3700fps over 19.2 gn AR 2207 with a 200yd zero. Most of my rabbit shooting now is be necessity over a bogpod because of where we hunt so the light 2700fps loadis my mainstay but the berger bullet at 3700fps has accounted for a few goats as well as rabbits at longer range (from prone behind the fixed bipod)

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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: VonGruff]
      #300180 - 07/05/17 01:12 AM

.20's are very popular in the States as well, amongst the rat shooters.
The 204's and Tac .20, with 10" or 11" twists work well with top-end loaded 40gr.ers out to about 600yards on coyotes, apparently.

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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: DarylS]
      #300182 - 07/05/17 03:20 AM

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.20's are very popular in the States as well, amongst the rat shooters.
The 204's and Tac .20, with 10" or 11" twists work well with top-end loaded 40gr.ers out to about 600yards on coyotes, apparently.




Yes they are--I have a CZ in .204 as well as a Cooper in .204--both are very very accurate..use them mostly for prairie dogs and occasionally on coyotes when calling them..but , like to use either my 22-250 or .243 with 70 gr ballistic tips better..seems to really anchor them..

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Re: So... Varmint Rifles? [Re: Ripp]
      #300251 - 09/05/17 05:55 AM

1. Original-GECO-Karabiner-Mod 1925 Kal 6mm Flobert Gezugen 5.4mm (my go-to gun around the house)


2. Savage Model 93 Cal 22 WMR (disappointed with accuracy)


3. FN Mauser Cal 220 Swift (will use for everything up to and including wolf)


4. BRNO Model ZH305 - 12Ga 2 3/4" Cham/.22 Savage HP (5.6x52r) (my walkabout rifle)


5. Colt M4 Carbine - MAGPUL Black - Cal 5.56x45MM w/TNVC M845 Gen3 Red Dot Night vision Rifle Scope (my night time coyote setup)


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