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gryphon
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I requested a rifle transfer quote from the UK
      #299012 - 14/04/17 05:35 AM

Got onto a mob in the UK to suss out having them do the necessary for me to bring a rifle from there into Australia.

I was surprised as to the 'pricing' and there are of course extras on top of that.
Makes it an expensive journey.

Quote below.
We would indeed be able to arrange shipping of a rifle to you in Australia and as you have mentioned Victoria then we would be able to quote for shipping up to Melbourne based on Emirates Airlines. Please find below the documentary requirements :

1 / Good copy of the approved B709 import permit.
2 / Good copy of a shipping invoice. This should be from your Dealer in the UK , addressed to your address in Australia (as per the address on the end user undertaking). The invoice has to mention the make, model, calibre, serial number & value for Customs.
3 / Original, ink signed end user undertaking (see format attached).This is our current version but is likely to be amended as our Licence is due for renewal and Licence no will be changed.

The Approximate cost for shipping to Melbourne airport including packing the rifle in a suitable way for airfreight would be £500 -£550 this is subject to the rifle being delivered to our register office below. These charges are only up to airport and do not include the cost for import clearance or the applicable duties and taxes in Australia You would need to speak to the airline at Melbourne to confirm those charges. We thank you for your enquiry and look forward to you further instructions in due course.

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Re: I requested a rifle transfer quote from the UK [Re: gryphon]
      #299013 - 14/04/17 06:50 AM

WOW - bloody near $1,000.00 Canadian, just for shipping.

Last year, I requested a quote from a UK air rifle store, to do a tune on one of my air rifles. They said I could send it to them and they could tune it, but could not mail it back to me.

I suspect a similar arrangement to your's Gryphon, could be arranged but - - BIG "BUT" - why that horrific expense as this rifle, made in Germany and sold to me in WESTERN Canada for $550.00CDN, which is less expensive here than the same rifle sells for in the UK. The UK was at that time, part of the EU???? Did THAT make a difference?

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gryphon
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Re: I requested a rifle transfer quote from the UK [Re: DarylS]
      #299019 - 14/04/17 09:24 AM

I stopped right there @ the 500 quid mark! FUCK! Is all I can say

The rifle I looked at was a Mod 70 XTR .270 Win for 100 pom quid ffs!

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Re: I requested a rifle transfer quote from the UK [Re: gryphon]
      #299022 - 14/04/17 09:32 AM

I suspect a fair bit of price gouging simply because of the officialdom BS they have to go through. It may be cheaper to send via a third EU country???

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Homer
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Re: I requested a rifle transfer quote from the UK [Re: Rule303]
      #299024 - 14/04/17 10:00 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Gryphon, I have imported several rifles from the UK, for customers/mates, and it is a expensive exercise.
At the UK end, there is a heap of bureaucratic paper work for the F/arms dealer to fill in. Then there is the transportation and export paper work for the firearm and the F/arm dealer has to get the firearm to the freight company. The F/arm actually needs to be physically inspected by Customs and or Police, to confirm brand, model, type and serial number, etc......
This is all very time consuming, and as we know "Time is Money"!

The unfortunate thing is, this does NOTHING to stop what the laws and regulation were put in place to do! As the CRIMINALS don't use legitimate freight companies, to export UNREGISTERED F/arms...., the above has NO Effect on them..................

Then when it finally arrives at our border, and the above all starts over again..............
FYI, I charge $110.00 per hour (Inc GST) for this kind of official work but the final bill, NEVER reflects the hours I put into it. When it's all said and done, I probably end up getting $55.00 an hour.

I hope this will help you understand why it costs so much, and especially for individual F/arms.

In reality, it is only economical, for special (read- EXPENSIVE) firearms.

AvagreatEastereh!
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Re: I requested a rifle transfer quote from the UK [Re: Homer]
      #299025 - 14/04/17 10:24 AM

No H I dont understand it

I look at it this simple way.

I pay for registered rifle in the UK and the seller gets a rego clearance from UK customs,then puts it in a package and sends to Aus customs,they check the rego and all clear it to me.How simple and how much cheaper

The absolute shit I had to go through a few years back to get 100 empty brass tubes..(unprimed 308 norma mag cases) was absolute bullshit and i mean bullshit.

It would be better for me to get someone to bring their rifle here have a weeks hunting and leave me the rifle!

Waidmansheil was saying he can get a shipping container from there for $1800 and I see a rifle as just another bit of freight.

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Re: I requested a rifle transfer quote from the UK [Re: gryphon]
      #299046 - 14/04/17 08:21 PM

When I last looked at importing from the USA, the prices ranged from US$200 to US$800 for a single firearm and single shipment. And some were cheaper per firearm if exporting several at once, substantially reducing the orice per unit.

As I have said many times on the net, it is really only economical if buying a firearm of substantial value, well over a thousand or $1,500 for any reduced foreign price to be worth it. Or if it is rare and not otherwise obtainable.

The best would be to find out exactly what procedures and paperwork is needed at the UK end, and see if the requirements can be done cheaper someway. No way it is economical for a GBP100 rifle though unless rare and unusual.

When I was buying a double rifle from a UK member on NE and it was located at Holland & Holland, it did not seem difficult. All they requested was a B709 permit. The purchase was messed up by delays and misinformation at the SAPOL end. Two attempts to get a B709 resulted in nothing. Three different responses for what was required. All took too long, and in the end took months. The seller sold the rifle to another person as they did not hear from me on it for months. I had no problem with the seller doing this. SAPOL stuffed me around "loosing" the applications. Then claiming additional documentation had to be supplied but never telling me. Even though I did exactly what they originally told me to do.

This was after I and many others had written letters etc regarding some new restrictions they were bringing in, to MP's, Police Commissioner, the media etc. Don't know if there was some connection in my 'problems'.

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Re: I requested a rifle transfer quote from the UK [Re: NitroX]
      #299061 - 15/04/17 05:09 AM

Blackrange (?) firearms will do one to five firearms for the one price.

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450_Ackley
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Re: I requested a rifle transfer quote from the UK [Re: gryphon]
      #299065 - 15/04/17 06:16 AM

I'm currently using BlackRange (James Craig) to import a rifle from the USA at the moment. It is in Customs in Melbourne as we speak.
The price he gave me to import, while being fairly expensive, saved me from having to do anything at all other than front up at my LGS with a PTA and pick up the rifle.
He has kept me in the loop all the way, his contact has been nothing short of outstanding.
But he did make it clear right from the start that it's really only for either rare or more expensive firearms. He said it would never be economical for a Boito!
My biggest problem was the red tape at Weapons Licensing in QLD.

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Re: I requested a rifle transfer quote from the UK [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #299067 - 15/04/17 09:48 AM

G'Day Fella's,

As some of you have already mentioned, I too believe the biggest problem, is the Police at the Australian end of the Importation.
FYI, I'm left feeling that they (the Police and or their masters), don't like individuals (non F/arm dealers), applying for B-709's? I might be wrong on this but it's not the first time I've heard of individuals, having lots of problems obtaining a B-709!

Further to this, as a F/arms dealer, I have never had an issue obtaining any B-709, even for Category "C" firearms (Browning A5 semi-auto seedgun's, etc).
From submitting the application, to having the B-709 in my hand, is usually under 7 days.

Hope that helps

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Re: I requested a rifle transfer quote from the UK [Re: Homer]
      #299093 - 15/04/17 05:41 PM

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FYI, I'm left feeling that they (the Police and or their masters), don't like individuals (non F/arm dealers), applying for B-709's? I might be wrong on this but it's not the first time I've heard of individuals, having lots of problems obtaining a B-709!




Undoubtably in my opinion. How far they take this policy to mess people around and whether it is an (un)official strategy and policy, who knows? Probably IMO.

As fo rmy example, I purposefully named the head of the firearms branch in every one of my media communications etc as these bureaucrats like to work "behind the scenes" and in the shadows, when doing their evil work. They don't like the spotlight on them. Allegedly this bureaucrat threatened some shooter "malcontents" with even more bans (ie ban anything greater than a .30-06 in SA) if they challenged his bans. So we went all the harder against him ... this was back when SAPOL had a list of "cartridge/calibre" restrictions ie the .338 Lapua, .50 BMG, a 5.7mm "cop killer" WofMD, even the .416 Rem Mag which some fool probably read on the internet is a "sniper" rifle ...

I have little personal doubt, my PTA and B709 were stuffed around on purpose, lost, misplaced, why I applied for only a B709, I also needed a PTA? etc etc

BUT just as he sun rises each day, absolutely they do not like private importations of firearms. Too much like personal freedom.


Damn I am cynical today ...

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Re: I requested a rifle transfer quote from the UK [Re: Homer]
      #299095 - 15/04/17 05:48 PM

I was at one time looking at importing a rifle from NZ. I was cheaper for me to obtain the B709,fly over, buy it and fly back with it. Once here I would of had a week-from memory- to get it brokered by a Firearms dealer.

Then NZ is very realist about firearms so no dramas from their side.

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Re: I requested a rifle transfer quote from the UK [Re: Rule303]
      #300755 - 24/05/17 09:33 PM

In the UK the Police attitude seems to be that ONLY the POLICE should be allowed firearms. Transportation of firearms is only allowed by specialist carriers now even between dearlers. The aim is to make it as difficult and as expensive for lice holders as possible. The Police and government do not really care about redusing crime as crime is a Multi Billion pound industry.

Keeping the populace afraid of crime allows them to restrict freedoms and keep the populace under constant monitoring. Without the criem there would be no need for all the security measures, alarms, firms and no need for CCTV cameras aeverywhere.

Sadly this form of control is being rolled out over the world which is why they keep having these world wide conferences on policing etc to further tighten their control. I am just glad that I am no longer young as this modern world is acrap place to grow up in.

I made enquiries about shipping and sellign some of my collection abroad but it is so difficult that most buyers are simply not interested.

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