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Rell
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Warning - Carolina Precision Rifles - Fraud
      #263871 - 20/04/15 06:49 AM

I wanted to post a warning to members on a problem I'm having with a USA based custom rifle builder, Carolina Precision Rifles. I've had the build two rifles in the past a Ruger #1 in 35 Whelen and a little Remington model 7 in 300 RSAUM. Both where done really well.

I've been told that the founder John Lewis has cancer. Someone who claims to be his brother "Brian Lewis" is operating the shop and at best the place has fallen apart. I actually think it might be full scale fraud and the company maybe defunct and has been hacked.

I shipped two rifles to them (9.3x62 and 375 Win) and paid for custom builds for them. They offer a 10% discount if you pay in advance and I foolishly did so to the tune of $4,200. The have missed shipment dates and the promised revise delivery dates. They also promised to send me a personal loaner Ruger #1 in 7mm ultra mag for long range hunt I have planned. The rifle never showed.

It seems like classic internet fraud. Just keep making promises and push the confrontation down the road hoping to lure in more victims.

I have gone to the police and will file a stolen priority report with them and the ATF but it looks like my rifles are long gone as well as my $4,200. I feel really stupid for falling for this but I had such good interactions with John Lewis that I let my guard down.

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Homer
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Re: Warning - Carolina Precision Rifles - Fraud [Re: Rell]
      #263884 - 20/04/15 09:51 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Rell, that is terribly unfortunate but I hope you have a good long term outcome!
Thank You for letting everybody know about this!!!

Regards
Homer

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Bidgee
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Re: Warning - Carolina Precision Rifles - Fraud [Re: Homer]
      #263885 - 20/04/15 09:58 AM

It doesn't sound good bloke, hold thumbs you may have happy outcome in the long run.

Cheers

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LongIsland
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Re: Warning - Carolina Precision Rifles - Fraud [Re: Bidgee]
      #263891 - 20/04/15 11:05 AM

Rell

They have a facebook page and are currently selling tickets for a rifle givaway.

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ducmarc
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Re: Warning - Carolina Precision Rifles - Fraud [Re: LongIsland]
      #263898 - 20/04/15 12:06 PM

i'd be taking a trip to carolina and contacting the sheriff when i got there.

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Mauser416
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Re: Warning - Carolina Precision Rifles - Fraud [Re: ducmarc]
      #263903 - 20/04/15 12:54 PM

I've dealt with a similar issue with a guy from Maine and me in Texas.

Do you have a letter, email, etc. which outlines the services to be provided, money paid,etc? Do you have proof the money was received? Do you have proof of an agreed upon completion date?

See if they are registered with BBB. File a complaint there.

Contact the S.C. Attorney Generals office and file a complaint there.

Send them a certified letter. Clearly and objectively list your concerns and expectations. Let them know you have filed with BBB and AG. I would also give them a clear and reasonable path forward i.e., return my money and guns by a given date or have service "X" completed by a given date with some means to verify.

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Rell
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Re: Warning - Carolina Precision Rifles - Fraud [Re: Mauser416]
      #263914 - 20/04/15 09:25 PM

Mauser416,

I do have the email chain and acknowledgement of payment and acceptance of delivery dates.

I will take your advice on filing with the AG in SC and the BBB? Good thoughts.

The police said that as it is firearm related, once a police report and insurance claim are lodged I should go to the ATF. If fraud they may theoretically be concerned with terrorism.

I've always treated this as a people / relationship business and I just don't think the gun smithing community understands how these incidents affect the community as a whole. I've dealt with some of the best people I've ever met working on my rifle projects but a few others tall the talk about respect and customers come first and then just promise the moon and never deliver.

I may have to just use factory stock rifles in the future!

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