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John303
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Take-down Rifle Comment
      #263173 - 06/04/15 01:38 AM

My comment is, if you want a take-down (albeit not a bolt action) get an 88 Winchester and your
about 99% there. Undo one bolt and take it out of the stock, this bolt is about the only thing you may
need to alter - perhaps a wider slot for a coin. Had an 88, one of those rifles I should have never parted with. Comments, if any? --- John

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Re: Take-down Rifle Comment [Re: John303]
      #263191 - 06/04/15 09:40 PM

I really like the "idea" of a take down Mauser in 9.3x62. The thought is it would fit in a nifty little case with a SxS rifle and be really easy to travel with.

A takedown 88 is certainly really cool but I don't have the range with one to make it very useful las a companion to a 450-400 3 inch.

I have a Ruger #1 in 35 Whelen that has an MPI stock with a through bolt with a 13mm nut that you can take down through the butt stock and recoil pad. In essence similar to the H&H takedown stock on a bolt action in concept. Works OK but you need to be carful of the pins holding the action together that are kept in place by the stock ...

The other option is maybe a Blaser K95 single shot. Pretty straight forward to take down.

I'm glad to see there is at least one other member thinking about the coolness factor of a takedown.

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Re: Take-down Rifle Comment [Re: Rell]
      #263300 - 08/04/15 10:51 PM

Get a H&R, haha

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Re: Take-down Rifle Comment [Re: Ash]
      #263301 - 08/04/15 11:03 PM

I made a number of comments on takedowns elsewhere on the forums.

A Winchester 88, umm no ... but probably fine in its niche.

So far I am enjoying my break open double barrelled shotguns, rifles, combinations. And enjoying my Mauser M03 takedown rifle.

A well made Mauser 98 takedown would be the ultimate however.

Why a takedown?
1. Switch barrels
2. Easy to transport in a smaller case, on planes, trains and automobiles
3. Easier to conceal, when in "civilian" environments such as hotels and the like where "guns" instill fear into the feeble minded.
4. With a switch barrel, can become far more familiar with the "single" rifle than the dude who needs dozens of unfamiliar firearms.

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John303
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Re: Take-down Rifle Comment [Re: NitroX]
      #263353 - 09/04/15 11:27 PM

Thank you for your comments. I am sort of Mauser oriented and have "several" as some of you well know.
I only have one take down and thats a 71 Mauser shotgun - quite a nice old gun actually. So I've been gathering up the pieces for a 98 style take down, so far I have a 22H series receiver and bottom metal DSTs and all, an octagon to round Oberndorf barrel, bolt, a couple of 22H stocks to choose from etc. I like the switch barrel idea the most but I've not discounted other methods.
The point I was making about the 88 was that it is basically a take down already, good rifles IMHO.
--- John

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Re: Take-down Rifle Comment [Re: Rell]
      #263356 - 10/04/15 12:08 AM

What a great idea … a take down 9.3 !! My African battery consists of a 9.3x62 and a Double rifle of my choice, either my Jeffery 450/400 or a wild cat I call my 10.3x70 NE. I had the barrel one of my 9.3 s cut down to 20.5 inches and now it fits perfectly in a short hard case by Boyt for my trips to the Dark Continent. The work on my CZ 9.3 was done by Phil Koenie of KNF down here in Seguin, Texas. I have another 9.3 and the take down idea, would allow me to leave the barrel longer … you've got my wheels turning!

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Re: Take-down Rifle Comment [Re: John303]
      #263359 - 10/04/15 02:07 AM

As far as take down rifles are concerned, it's hard to beat the system used by the 1916 Newton. It is similar to the Mannlicher Schoenauer take down system, but simpler, since like the Model 88 Winchester, only one stock bolt is involved, and it does not require a tool to unfasten it. Moreover, it has a built in mechanism for altering the tightness of that bolt to allow for changes in the wood stock, a feature not shared by the M/S. Like the M/S and Model 88 system, it does not require separating the barrel from the receiver, but it has the advantage of accommodating a wider range of cartridges than the Model 88, up to and including the .30 Newton and the .35 Newton, both equivalent to present day short magnums. The Model 88 is limited to cartridges of the .308 Winchester class by the shortness of its action.

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Re: Take-down Rifle Comment [Re: xausa]
      #265405 - 22/05/15 11:32 PM

To the best of my knowledge only Browning is marketing a take-down rifle as a standard model.
Not an old fashioned traditional design, or one that hearkens back to the 20-30 of Africa or Alaska, but a good rifle none the less for it's intended purpose.

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/family.asp?webflag_=003B&catalog_=B

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Re: Take-down Rifle Comment [Re: szihn]
      #265412 - 23/05/15 01:05 AM

I really do like take down rifles although I only have one currently in the battery (Savaga 99F from 1928) Nice classic rifle and shoots well.
Everyone likes the slick 98 take downs that have the barrel come off in a quarter turn with the forearm, but with the decreased surface area on the threads there is always the long term possibility of them loosening up. I think that the best approach (and most cost effective)might be to have a new barrel threaded to the rife to close tolerances and have the action blueprinted (trued).
If the threads are cut correctly there should only be limited wobble after 4 turns or so, and once the trued receiver mates against the shoulder on the barrel it won't be going anywhere.
Shorten the stock with a takedown fore-end bedded to the first inch or so of the barrel at the very least.
Use anti gall compound on the threads to keep them the way they should be. No tools necessary.

Besides a witness mark, you can always come up with a simple mechanical stop to keep things from shifting once the stock is on.

I was playing around with a Winchester push feed that had barrels for .225, .250 Savage improved, and .308 to test loads. I could swap the barrels without tools and all three shot within 5" of each other at 100 yards. With the difference in recoil that really surprised me. I threaded 2 of the three and the other one was pretty true from the start although I did true the shoulder.

Good luck

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Re: Take-down Rifle Comment [Re: Tom_H]
      #265421 - 23/05/15 07:21 AM

Most take-down rifles that have a quarter or one third turn disengagement use an ACME or Trapezoidal thread profile rather than the standard type V-Thread. This type of thread is significantly stronger due to the thread thickness and therefore do not push over like a a standard thread and therefore have very good wear resistance, which is why they are used for machine lead screws, jacking threads etc. You can also have the thread hard chromed which increases wear resistance.

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Re: Take-down Rifle Comment [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #265423 - 23/05/15 07:54 AM

Totally agree on the acme thread. I know for a fact that the Savage has those. Would be nice to find a 98 action threaded like that.

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Re: Take-down Rifle Comment [Re: Tom_H]
      #267008 - 26/06/15 02:06 PM

I think a tool less takedown with a full thread would cover most of the issues people have.

Mine is a .300 wby mag on a Mauser 98 and the only issue I have with it is the barrel thread isn't as good as I like - I didn't cut it - and I haven't fitted the additional .375 wby mag barrel (and it's scope) yet.

They're great for travelling.

A takedown on a Model 88 has a lot going for it. Perhaps .22/250 and .243, or 7mm/08, or .308 would cover most bases. Same principal - spring actuated plunger in forend engaging hole in plate on action ring plate - would work.

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Re: Take-down Rifle Comment [Re: twobobbwana]
      #267026 - 27/06/15 01:04 AM

Here in the USA currently the most popular "take down" rifle is the AR-15.

Push 2 pins and the thing comes right in half. With a 16" barrel, and with a flash hider installed, the whole thing will fit into a case only 25" long.

In many places a "Military style" semi-auto is illegal to hunt with, but it is fine in most of the USA. ARs can me made in 204 Ruger 223, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 7.62X39, 300 Blackout, 458 SOCOM and 50 Beowulf. Accuracy is very good and reliability is fine too.

The only problem with them as far as hunting goes is that they just are not as "cool" as the old classic guns, but if coolness is less important than utility and compactness, the AR is probably the best over-all take-down rifle yet invented for most American game.
Power is available from the 204 to the equivalent of the 257 Roberts, to the equivalent of the 45-70, and to the equivalent of the 50 Sharps.

For a take down rifle that shoots a cartridge from 270 Winchester up to the big magnums (long range hard-hitters) I am betting the only answer available today is the above mentioned Browning BLR, or a semi-custom or full-custom made rifle.

I have made a few in the years past on Mausers and one on a short action M-77 Ruger. Any good smith can make you one.

However thread wear is a potential problem, so I like the idea of sights which should be soldered so they can be heated and moved to 12:00 if ever they need to be. I do not know if such a concern is really well founded. Of the rifles I have made in the past none have needed adjustment yet. The first one I made for a man was in 1983 and it's still fine.
However it is only taken down when it need to be for transportation which he tells me is only about 5 times a year. So maybe such things are not as big a concern as I think they are.

The first one I made is also a swap-barrel job with one barrel in 300H&H and the other in 375H&H, so the wear is divided between the 2 barrels to some extent.

Fun subject. Lots of ideas to play with.

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Re: Take-down Rifle Comment [Re: szihn]
      #267037 - 27/06/15 07:03 AM

As the receiver ring is heat treated and the barrel is made from high tensile steel, providing the surface finish on the threads is good and they are lightly lubricated there really should be no wear at all. When assembling and dis-assembling, the parts are only being rotated at hand speed and under no load, and even when tightening the final bit there is minimum load. One can also have the threads hard chromed which can be plated on super thin, 0.0002" is a good amount and is called Flash Chroming. The surface hardness will then be about 70 RC which is similar to carbide. Electroless Nickel is another method and is even harder. Just remember that one has to allow for an increase in thread thickness if you plate more than a couple of tenths in which case the thread will have to be slightly loose before plating. This may have to be experimented with first.

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