GPJ12345
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Members, I need information regarding a specific old rifle please. The information I have consist of the following:
Serial number: M1144
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lancaster
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and we need more informations
I see a belgian made garden gun probably with 6mm rifle and 9mm flobert shot barrel
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kuduae
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See the book by Colin Greenwood "The Classic British Rook & Rabbit Rifle", Chapter 4 "Needle Fire Rook Rifles". An identical rifle No. 13896 is shown and described on pages 40 to 42. These rifles used needle-fire cartridges of the Dreyse design. They used a quick screw breechplug entering the barrel to both lock the action shut and somwhat seal the breech. About a half turn to the left allows the barrel to drop and open for loading, while turning it to the right not only locks the barrel, but also seats the cartridge and somehow seals the breech. Look at the "bolthandle", checkered on top to be pushed down to tighten the breech. Though this long "bolthandle" was a Rigby peculiar, nearly identical needle fire rook rifles were offered by many British gunmakers. Greenwood concludes: These rifles were made for the British guntrade in Liege, Belgium and may be dated to 1865 - 70.
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GPJ12345
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Thank you Kudaue
the reply is much appreciated. This rifle is still in good condition, will it be a proposition for a collector? Is there any way to know if it is valuable ? I see these rifles was made by a lot of other gun makers? Estimation? These are the questions the owner needs answering.
Regards
Gert
Edited by GPJ12345 (14/11/14 02:27 PM)
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lancaster
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Quote:
See the book by Colin Greenwood "The Classic British Rook & Rabbit Rifle", Chapter 4 "Needle Fire Rook Rifles". An identical rifle No. 13896 is shown and described on pages 40 to 42. These rifles used needle-fire cartridges of the Dreyse design. They used a quick screw breechplug entering the barrel to both lock the action shut and somwhat seal the breech. About a half turn to the left allows the barrel to drop and open for loading, while turning it to the right not only locks the barrel, but also seats the cartridge and somehow seals the breech. Look at the "bolthandle", checkered on top to be pushed down to tighten the breech. Though this long "bolthandle" was a Rigby peculiar, nearly identical needle fire rook rifles were offered by many British gunmakers. Greenwood concludes: These rifles were made for the British guntrade in Liege, Belgium and may be dated to 1865 - 70.
now I can see the lever on the other side of the action open and close the rifle 
dont notice this before
so its for an eley needle gun cartridge http://www.oldammo.com/april09.htm
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GPJ12345
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Thank you Lancaster, this is another piece of the puzzle, it is much appreciated...
Regards
Gert
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kuduae
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Greenwood mentions the name „Rissack, Liege, Belgium“ as a possible real maker of these needlefire rifles, merely finished and retailed by British gunmakers. Here you may see a pistol by J.J.Rissack, Liege, with this type of action. Scroll down to near bottom of page.
http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/art...acques%20gb.htm
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GPJ12345
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Kuduae , surely poetry in motion...a world I know not much off...these are rare old rifles...
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GPJ12345
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Good day to you Kuduae
It seems this is a Rigby rifle, we took the rifle apart and found the real serial number, 12046, do you perhaps know of Rigby rifle collectors I can contact since the owner want to sell this rifle...
Gert
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