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EDELWEISS
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My Mosin Project
#251892 - 11/08/14 02:30 AM

I was inspired by the "Worlds Best Mosin" in the classic firearms section, so Ive decided I need my own project. No it wont be cost effective, no I'll never get the money out of it that I put into it; but at this stage in my life Im looking for a bit of panache when I hunt.

So, Im thinking about a couple of builds on Mosin Nagants. I thought I might start out with something like a "Mannlicher" Sporter, (sorry I know I should say Full Stock; but Mannlicher just sounds cool)--not a military full stock; but a true sporter without the top handguard and sporter sights and a 1950/60s period optic, perhaps with a removable cheek piece to match the optic/irons. Oh yes, and with a butterknife bolt handle.

My concept, besides just wanting a cool shooter and a fun project, is something that reminiscent of the post war Gun Guild builds. Im tempted to use a military stock, perhaps adding a "drop" for a semi pistol grip; maybe even done with an extension of the trigger guard reminiscent of muzzle loaders??? . I have a couple military stocks that are surprisingly nice, and I sorta like the way the Finns filled the slots where the dog collar sling looped through and added "conventional" swivels at the same points.

Im tempted to use an octagon barrel for some added flash; but Im not sure how that would look in a full stock. Im also thinking Id like to keep a cut down version of the cleaning rod. Perhaps a matching half stock version, also with an octagon barrel???

Im tempted to go with another caliber, maybe 9.3x54r (not sure if any magazine work is necessary); but part of the reason for doing it, is the cheap surplus, combined with decent sporting ammo for hunting.

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Re: My Mosin Project [Re: EDELWEISS]
#251894 - 11/08/14 02:50 AM

if you make a 9,3x53R little work on the magazine is necessary
its possible to change the military stock into a pistol grip sporter stock, imho, if you have some proper wood for changing it by glueing pieces on the stock. the pistol grip looks fine if you cover it with checkering after.

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Re: My Mosin Project [Re: lancaster]
#251898 - 11/08/14 03:56 AM

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if you make a 9,3x53R little work on the magazine is necessary
its possible to change the military stock into a pistol grip sporter stock, imho, if you have some proper wood for changing it by glueing pieces on the stock. the pistol grip looks fine if you cover it with checkering after.

Thanks for the quick response. Actually 9.3 may be a bit much for me; but it is very cool.

Im still undecided about adding wood for the pistol grip or using metal to the triggerguard (perhaps one of each).

Im undecided about barrel length, maybe 20"(51cms) for the full stock and 22 or 24inches (56/61cms) for the half stock. Im really liking the idea of the octagon and dodecagon (12 sided) barrels from McGowen Precision Barrels. McGowen also offers fluting which isn't the traditional look that I think I want. They also offer fluting on the flats of their octagon barrels????

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Re: My Mosin Project [Re: EDELWEISS]
#251900 - 11/08/14 04:00 AM

A 9.3x53 or 54R would make a wonderful hunting rifle. In the Mosin N., it should match a .35 Whelen factory loads for speed at the same bullet weights, easily besting a 9.3x57 Mauser.

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Re: My Mosin Project [Re: DarylS]
#251932 - 11/08/14 04:33 PM

as you know the mosin magazin is made of swaged sheet metal so you have to open the magazin where the case neck is located. anyway the 7,62x54R is enough for anything and will be the last "cheap" surplus ammo for the next time what will be a big benefit. beside of the 308 Winchester its the only other cartridge suitable for the scout rifle concept because of its easy availability.

do you think about something like this?

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Re: My Mosin Project [Re: lancaster]
#251986 - 12/08/14 04:21 PM

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THAT is exactly what got me interested in this project! NOW Im thinking I want TWO guns, one like that one above and one with a half stock with a barrel 20-22 inches , or possibly as long as 24 inches.

I spoke to the folks at McGowen Barrels today about their octagonal barrels. YES its very DO-Able on a Mosin Nagant, so of course I must have it. Im not sure how an octagonal barrel will look in the Full Stock BUT its a MUST HAVE for me in the half stock! Im also undecided how thin or heavy to make the barrel. Both guns would be used for hunting AND hiking so I dont want them too heavy???

Ive looked at the available custom stocks and nothing is shouting out to me. Im still liking the idea of adding wood of horn to a military stock for a curved grip.

Im also looking at scopes and mounts. While I guess there may be better options, I kinda like the post war "bridge mount and a PEM Scope for that 1950s flair.

Im still open to suggestions

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Re: My Mosin Project [Re: EDELWEISS]
#251991 - 12/08/14 06:59 PM

adding horn to a military stock would be an option

here on an older austrian Frühwirth rifle

and here on an M 88 sporter

you find here many sporters with octagonal barrels
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=188673&an=0&page=0#Post188673
and I would not hesitate to copy this design for a Mosin sporting rifle.

this Mosin is clearly inspired by such old Suhl made M 88 sporting rifles

something like this with an octagonal barrel

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Re: My Mosin Project [Re: lancaster]
#252037 - 13/08/14 05:36 AM

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adding horn to a military stock would be an option

here on an older austrian Frühwirth rifle

and here on an M 88 sporter

you find here many sporters with octagonal barrels
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=188673&an=0&page=0#Post188673
and I would not hesitate to copy this design for a Mosin sporting rifle.

this Mosin is clearly inspired by such old Suhl made M 88 sporting rifles

something like this with an octagonal barrel

YES YES YES those are some beautiful rifles

The HORN Triggerguard pictured is exactly like what I was talking about. I was also thinking about something similar with Brass, Steel, or Iron, sorta reminiscent of 19th century muzzle loaders.

I also like the front swivel on barrel studs or barrel bands. Its just a nice touch not often seen here in the US.

I love the Double Set Triggers too.

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Re: My Mosin Project [Re: DarylS]
#252044 - 13/08/14 09:06 AM

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A 9.3x53 or 54R would make a wonderful hunting rifle. In the Mosin N., it should match a .35 Whelen factory loads for speed at the same bullet weights, easily besting a 9.3x57 Mauser.

Daryl:

I believe the 9.3x53R and 9.3x57 are virtually identical in case capacity.

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Re: My Mosin Project [Re: 9.3x57]
#252052 - 13/08/14 03:02 PM

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I love the Double Set Triggers too.

...but don´t ask where to find such for Mosin Nagant.

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Re: My Mosin Project [Re: Igorrock]
#252054 - 13/08/14 03:43 PM

hard to understand igorrock, does it mean you have such a thing on stock or it did not exist?

"The HORN Triggerguard pictured is exactly like what I was talking about. I was also thinking about something similar with Brass, Steel, or Iron, sorta reminiscent of 19th century muzzle loaders."

I am not sure with the Frühwirth rifle but the M 88 dont realy have a horn triggerguard. actually its a steal triggerguard with a seperate horn pistol grib. something you see very often on german guns betweenn 1870 and 1910.

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Re: My Mosin Project [Re: lancaster]
#252077 - 13/08/14 09:48 PM

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hard to understand igorrock, does it mean you have such a thing on stock or it did not exist?

I just mean I have no idea where to find any...

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