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Deerstalker
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A .256 Mannlicher but a bit different as manf. in the USA
      #244640 - 30/03/14 09:24 AM



I'm new to the forum but really have a passion for vintage rifles and shotguns.

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Re: A .256 Mannlicher but a bit different as manf. in the USA [Re: Deerstalker]
      #244642 - 30/03/14 09:28 AM

Welcome!

Enjoy the site.
Also, show more of this rifle please...






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Re: A .256 Mannlicher but a bit different as manf. in the USA [Re: tinker]
      #244644 - 30/03/14 09:46 AM

Thanks for the welcome. Here's another picture of the rifle. It is over 110 years old.

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Re: A .256 Mannlicher but a bit different as manf. in the USA [Re: Deerstalker]
      #244645 - 30/03/14 12:22 PM

Made in America? The bits of detail you posted up until now look a lot like mine, made by George Gibbs, Bristol, England. Compare Barrel, sights, foreend tip, checkering pattern.

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Re: A .256 Mannlicher but a bit different as manf. in the USA [Re: kuduae]
      #244646 - 30/03/14 12:47 PM

Deerstalker, first of all, a big welcome to Nitro Express!
You have found the right forum, believe me on that!

Does your rifle have a number on the barrel or action with a "B" in front of it?

I agree that it looks like something put up by Gibbs in style and the engraving on the floorplate looks more English than something you would see on an American rifle.

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Re: A .256 Mannlicher but a bit different as manf. in the USA [Re: Huvius]
      #244650 - 30/03/14 02:08 PM

Thanks again for the welcomes. These rifles were made in America but then sent to England for proofing. A couple more pictures for pieces of the puzzle:





Kuduae -

The rifles you have remind me of another rifle I have (not from a US manufacturer):







Edited by Deerstalker (30/03/14 02:17 PM)

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Scopes for small frame rifles. [Re: kuduae]
      #244653 - 30/03/14 03:05 PM

Testing

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Re: Scopes for small frame rifles. [Re: Ahmed577]
      #244656 - 30/03/14 03:26 PM

Any ideas. Having a new purdey single shot rook rifle 22 hornet built octagonal barrel & a new boss 5.6 x 50r over/under rifle similar action to boss 410 except well bolstered. Both guns will be dainty in size. Both guns will be scoped with Q-D mounts.I have 2 brand new etherington optical mk.1 .3 X. Scopes (mildurah Victoria) that I can use 3/4 tubes steel 13iches long. What would you use. I do like European scopes on English guns. The boss concerns me more to have a better scope.

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Re: Scopes for small frame rifles. [Re: Ahmed577]
      #244658 - 30/03/14 05:49 PM

Quote:

These rifles were made in America but then sent to England for proofing.

Could you tell who and when has made them ?

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Re: A .256 Mannlicher but a bit different as manf. in the USA [Re: Deerstalker]
      #244661 - 30/03/14 06:24 PM

Is it a Ross Sporter, but I bet it was made up in the UK ! ?

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Re: A .256 Mannlicher but a bit different as manf. in the USA [Re: Sarg]
      #244664 - 30/03/14 06:48 PM

Ok, seems that Ross has made some collaboration with Lancaster factory so maybe these sporters has been build there.... ?

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Re: Scopes for small frame rifles. [Re: Igorrock]
      #244665 - 30/03/14 07:10 PM

22 hornet is being built by purdey s/n 31022 & 5.6X50R is being built by boss s/n 10356. Both guns are still in build.

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Re: Scopes for small frame rifles. [Re: Ahmed577]
      #244672 - 31/03/14 12:34 AM

You guy are sharp! Before Sir Charles moved his factory to Quebec he was set up in Hartford, Connecticut. This rifle was made in America however he purchased the barrels from Lancaster.



More pictures and information to follow.

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Re: A .256 Mannlicher but a bit different as manf. in the US [Re: Deerstalker]
      #244688 - 31/03/14 05:47 AM

I'm still learning the site. This morning I typed out a long narrative and added 8 to 10 photos. After hitting, "submit" I received a message that not all field had been filled out (there was nothing left to fill out) and instructed me hit the back button. I did and everything I had done was gone.

So, smaller doses seems prudent to me.

The rifle above is from Sir Charles Ross and was made in the USA prior to his moving his factory to Quebec. It is a rare and interesting 113 year old rifle. I have never seen another (in .256) and wonder if anyone else has.

Here is a quote from, The Ross Rifle Story which details some of the interesting background:

"For the sake of clarity, the sporter version of the then-current Ross, occurring in the .256 Mannlicher, .303 British, and the .370 Express calibers, has been designated the 1901 pattern, since the basic design of the action was settled that year. With little change it became the 1903 Canadian pattern."

"The 1901 sporters were the first Rosses made in any quantity at Hartford. They had Italian walnut stocks with chequered forends, half-pistol grips, hard rubber butt pads, and six-inch top guards; 26-inch barrels with conventional or Lancaster oval-bore rifling; sleeved foresight blocks and English two-leaf Express rearsights dovetailed into mounts soldered to the barrel. The magazine was the same as that adopted for the shop pattern military rifle taken to England in December of 1901, and used thereafter. The safety was a slide button positioned above the bolt handle."

"It was once thought that 1901 Rosses were made by Charles Lancaster, because the barrels carried British proof marks and the Lancaster name. The recent discovery of a letter written by Bennett at Hartford in 1902 corrected this misconception. The rifles were made at Hartford, but were sent to England for proofing. The barrels used had, of course, come originally from Lancaster since the Hartford plant wasn't set up to manufacture them. Rifle making at Hartford ceased in late 1902, when much of the machinery there was moved to Quebec. Output had been minimal since Ross gave priority to working up military rifles for experimentation and trial - a time-costly task as such specimens were largely hand-crafted."

More pictures to follow.

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Re: A .256 Mannlicher but a bit different as manf. in the US [Re: Deerstalker]
      #244689 - 31/03/14 05:53 AM

I don't know how many pictures I can submit at once so I will try a few at a time:

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Re: A .256 Mannlicher but a bit different as manf. in the US [Re: Deerstalker]
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