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Gebr. Merkel 223 cal. .375 Flanged
      #208386 - 15/05/12 01:58 AM

My Merkel 223 Double rifle finally arrived.

Waiting for the rifle was like waiting for Christmas eve when I was 6 years old, I had already spotted what was in the packages but they were not yet to be opened.

Un-wrapping the many layers of paper, and finally touching the leather case, I hesitated a bit. Would the expectations just be expectations and the feeling of the Merkel not really be the beginning of a dream of an African buffalo.

The firering pins holes were small; this means that the gun was born as a 223 double rifle, rather than a converted shotgun. The balance of the gun is perfect, the state of the gun is virtually unfired and smooth as silk, I suspect that it was never really used for hunting. Since the production year is 87, before "die vende" and the missing Q1 mark I guess that it was a rifle sold in the DDR, but i find that hard to believe.

The Caliber is .375 Flanged, a little more than I need for the hunting here in northern Europe, but just enough gun for Africa. I still could use it for driven boar in the winter time and the scopes are just made for that.

The 375 is the legal minimum for big five in most parts of Africa, and I couldn’t really face myself pointing a Mauser rifle at any cape buffalo. So the 375 Flanged seemed a reasonable choice for a double rifle.

I have my own 200 meter range, just outside the house, but I haven’t fired the Merkel yet. I have waited so long for this moment, so I will have to find a sunny afternoon; accept the fact that I am no longer just dreaming a Buffalo but now am in the doing. I suppose that all the shooting I have done since I was 5 and my father came back from Kenya with an elephant but without a Buffalo has been in preparation for that lone old bull under a Thorne tree. Thinking about it I expect that old bull to be waiting for me somewhere in Zimbabwe, old as the mountains, and relocated from Kenya’s tourist traps.

Darz Bor, Peter Frost Hørlyck















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Re: Gebr. Merkel 223 cal. .375 Flanged [Re: granhaven]
      #208394 - 15/05/12 04:40 AM

good old Merkel, not doubt it was a special order from west germany

Merkel would have the card for this double in the archive. give me the serial number and I will send a mail for geting more informations.

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Re: Gebr. Merkel 223 cal. .375 Flanged [Re: lancaster]
      #208424 - 16/05/12 02:19 AM

Congratulations on a fine Merkel DR. Please give a report when you fire it. The O/U Merkel rifles are classics.

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Re: Gebr. Merkel 223 cal. .375 Flanged [Re: CptCurl]
      #209302 - 28/05/12 03:52 PM

Rare and beautiful rifle. What a prize!!.

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Re: Gebr. Merkel 223 cal. .375 Flanged [Re: rigbymauser]
      #209309 - 28/05/12 06:13 PM

Sweet. Do they still offer cases for their rifles? I have a really nice, modern, tough-as-nails case that John had somebody in Sydney make for me.

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Re: Gebr. Merkel 223 cal. .375 Flanged [Re: Ben]
      #209906 - 03/06/12 02:28 AM

Very nice indeed. Love the engraving

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Re: Gebr. Merkel 223 cal. .375 Flanged [Re: granhaven]
      #210363 - 07/06/12 09:36 PM

Yesterday I had the luck to shoot a nice Roe Buck with my Gebr. merkel 375 H&H Flanged, loaded with W. Romey and 300 grains Woodleigh RN.

The distance was app 35 meters and the bullet entered tru the left front leg and exited at the last rib on the other side. The exit hole was app 4-5 centimeters

I admit that I was heavily over armed for our small deer and the summer hunt. It would be perfectly acceptable to use a .222 with a 50 grains bullet. However this was my first outing with the Merkel and I just couldent resist the temptation to try it out.
As allways I harly noticed the shot, just focused on the buck just a few meters away. The Buck ran just 15 or 20 meters and was dead. There were a lot of lung fragments in the blood so I knew that it would be lying close to the spot.

The summer here is extreemly dry, so walking is difficult with all dry leaves and small branches making a lot of noise, but I found the roebuck sleeping and saw it at maybe 10 meters , but couldent shoot , the Buck noticed something was wrong, and started of but unsure of what had disturbed him, he turned back to see me at maybe 35 meters distance, I knew that would be the only chance so the shot fell in this very moment.

The bullet performed as could be expected, maybe 1/3 of the heart is missing, and the exit hole is acceptable. So now we will dream about something black and bigger.









Darz bor, Peter Frost Hørlyck

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Re: Gebr. Merkel 223 cal. .375 Flanged [Re: granhaven]
      #210445 - 08/06/12 03:36 PM

a good start for the next years
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Re: Gebr. Merkel 223 cal. .375 Flanged [Re: lancaster]
      #210497 - 09/06/12 11:39 AM

Magnificent rifle and in a great caliber! Thanks for sharing pictures and here's wishing you many more fantastic hunts with it.

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Re: Gebr. Merkel 223 cal. .375 Flanged [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #210543 - 10/06/12 02:49 AM

Very nice rifle. And congratulations on the rifle and also the roebuck.

I find the recoil in my 9.3 not really noticeable so often why use a smaller calibre when the 9.3/.375 is such a versatile chambering?

Perfect for running boar and moose. And red stag too.

BTW what are the two scopes for? Different loadings or different species/forms of hunting?

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Re: Gebr. Merkel 223 cal. .375 Flanged [Re: NitroX]
      #210569 - 10/06/12 07:26 AM

In response to the questions from NitroX
The rifle is pre-owned, so I can only guess why there are two scopes. One scope is a Zeiss 1.5 to 6 times 42 in a rechnagel swing mount. The scope is good for driven hunt as well as for the late evening / night hunt for wild boars. The second scope is a schmidt & Bender 1.1-4 x 24 a real specialist scope for driven hunt in the winter time. The Schmidt & Bender is not at all suited for the individual hunt in the evening or night, but the advantage is that it has a very broad field of sight and is lighter than the zeiss. The S&B will also be a little quicker to focus as it is less sensitive to the angle af sight thru the scope.

I hunt quite a lot during the night, for boars, and also the driven hunts are a favorite of mine so both scopes will be in use. annother issue is that the ammunition used for these types of hunting may differ where a heavy round nose bullet will be prefered for the driven hunt and a lighter bullet more suited for longer shots will be prefered for the individual hunt so having two scopes offer a quick change in prefered ammunition.

In our European hunting conditions it will be difficult to find one scope that will be suited for both the driven hunt and the late evening / night hunt, there will allways be some kind of compromise. i am quite happy that the scopes are of the older type without any electronics, red dot something as i find that if I can see the boar in the scope then I can also shoot it withe the traditional crosshair, For that reason a real thic type of crosshair is preferred so that it can bee seen in poor light conditions.

As to the caliber I must say that the .375 is new to me and I was not sure how well I would take the recoil. It is not a problem, however the gun is significantly heavier than my other doubles in 7x65R. Walking long distances, sometimes 10 to 15 kilometers during the day or night will not be as comfortable as with the lighter rifle. I have only shoot the 375 standing firmly on the ground but Hunting in Poland I frequently hunt in verry dense wet areas where i have to climb a tree to the height of 5 or 6 meteres to see anything. How I will handle the recoil In these conditions, one leg arround the tree and shooting with two hands remain to be seen but I think I may prefer the lighter gun and lesser recoil in these conditions.

Using a double rifle on a driven hunt gives the advantage of the very fast second shot, the second shot from a 7x65R double will be faster than the second shot with a .375 simply because of the lesser recoil. I shoot a lot of International skeet, and simply using a lighter load, 24 grams instead of 32 grams gives a few fractions of a second more time to shoot the second outgoing on station 4. The same applies for the heavier 300 grains bullet versus a 150 grains 7x65R. I also found that i shoot better skeet with my cal 16 Merkel weighing 2.8 kilo ( average 92.5 / 100) than with a cal 12 Miroku wighing 3.6 Kilo, simply because the gun handling is faster, and speed
is the name of the game in Skeet.

So the conclusion is that I will use the Merkel 375 for the driven hunts this year to get on friendly terms before going for buffalo, and then I will use my belowed 7x65R double ever after.

Darz Bor, Peter Frost Hørlyck

Edited by granhaven (10/06/12 07:44 AM)


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Re: Gebr. Merkel 223 cal. .375 Flanged [Re: granhaven]
      #210574 - 10/06/12 09:06 AM

Good looking double. A very good buy and great photos.

granhaven thanks for sharing and the insight you offer with your awnser to NitroX question. Well done.


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Re: Gebr. Merkel 223 cal. .375 Flanged [Re: granhaven]
      #210614 - 10/06/12 06:38 PM

Peter

Thanks for the reply.

Makes sense.

Be aware though the two different bullets you are planning to use, MAY not work ie the rifle may not regulate. But worth trying.

Regarding recoil and fast shooting response, you are correct of course. However shooting my .375 I got the highest score on a local competition the first time for rapid speed shooting with a time limit. Everyone except one guy used medium calibres. Open sights only.

I agree while it is not apparent to many, there is quite a difference between a 1x or 1.1x scope and a 1.5x scope for speed of shooting.

Good luck with your new rifle, it is a beautiful gun, and good hunting with it.

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Re: Gebr. Merkel 223 cal. .375 Flanged [Re: NitroX]
      #221139 - 08/12/12 07:06 AM

The winter season is upon us. The driven hunt with many beaters, shooters, dogs and a lot noise is in sharp contrast to the early autumn and summer hunts.
The Gebr. Merkel 375 Flanged Magnum has yet to prove itself on driven game. Bound by work and other obligations this was my first driven hunt this season.
The first two boars I saw were a little too far away to shoot at, so when the third boar appeared I was really focused and ready, once I had an opening in the dense oak forest I pulled the trigger and what a magnificent effect, the boar collapsed in the spot, and so did I almost! I somehow managed to pull of two shots at the same time, probably due to heavier clothing than usual. The second shot was with my head firmly against the scope, and thus the full recoil stamped a nice ring into my forehead matching the ring on the Schmidt &Bender. Soon after I was covered in blood from the blood vessels above the eye
I took some time for me to recover, the comments from my fellow hunters and beaters were adding to the feeling of failure and disaster. Even the boar that I so effectively had shoot turned out to have been wounded previously so it was not mine anyway...
Later in the afternoon, I shoot a small boar that my neighbor had missed to it was going at full speed so I was more happy with the day.
In the last beat of the day I had a corner post where I know that the red deer has a tendency to pass, so when I saw a group of hinds and calf’s coming towards me I was ready. The leading hind is not allowed so I let it pass the forest road and focused on the next. They passed the road in majestic jumps, maybe 2.5 meters high pulling the front legs almost up to their head and seemed to float on the air. I shoot at hind number three and saw that I hit it well and focused on the last of the calves. On the top of the jump I let the last shoot off and it never folded out the "landing gear". The distance was perhaps 70 meters and after shooting I could not see them laying so immediately the speculations started. Was it the right animal, we were not allowed to make a double on hinds, but hind and calf was allowed so I really hoped that it was as requested.
The minutes after shooting on a driven hunt, where you can’t move to see what happened, are long as hours. The speculations start and stupid questions appear. There is absolutely nothing to do about it.
After the beat, I found the calf lying against a tree in the brambles. There was absolutely no sign of blood after the hind; I could however see that the hind was lying maybe 120 meters away in the bare field close to the forest. The bullet had had taken both lungs and the top of the heart. The only blood I found was maybe ten meters from the place where the hind was laying. The entry hole and the exit hole were of the same size
The next day I shoot a double on boars, the first of the two was shoot perfectly thru the lungs and heart at 60,70 meters distance, the second was hit in the spine a little too far back so it rolled, the first kept running so instead of shooting number three, I shoot two more shots at the first.

The bullet was a 300 grains Woodleigh RN, starting at 720 m/s.
In my humble opinion the Woodleigh is NOT suited for driven game as the effect is too little and the blood signs to sparse. When the bullet passes lungs I must be able to find lung parts at the place. When I hit the spinal parts, there is no problem and the meat damage is limited. For the next hunt in December I will load some softer bullets and hope that Saint Hubertus will bless me.
A second note on the shooting; I previous noted that the recovery time after the first shot is longer and that may impact on the number two shot on boars or deer. My friends and fellow hunter confirm that they notice a longer interval between the shots with the 375, than when I shoot my bellowed 7x65r double (This of course does not apply to the first two shots, when I doubled….)

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Re: Gebr. Merkel 223 cal. .375 Flanged [Re: granhaven]
      #221179 - 09/12/12 01:25 AM

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As to the caliber I must say that the .375 is new to me and I was not sure how well I would take the recoil. It is not a problem, however the gun is significantly heavier than my other doubles in 7x65R. Walking long distances, sometimes 10 to 15 kilometers during the day or night will not be as comfortable as with the lighter rifle. I have only shoot the 375 standing firmly on the ground but Hunting in Poland I frequently hunt in verry dense wet areas where i have to climb a tree to the height of 5 or 6 meteres to see anything. How I will handle the recoil In these conditions, one leg arround the tree and shooting with two hands remain to be seen but I think I may prefer the lighter gun and lesser recoil in these conditions.

Using a double rifle on a driven hunt gives the advantage of the very fast second shot, the second shot from a 7x65R double will be faster than the second shot with a .375 simply because of the lesser recoil. I shoot a lot of International skeet, and simply using a lighter load, 24 grams instead of 32 grams gives a few fractions of a second more time to shoot the second outgoing on station 4. The same applies for the heavier 300 grains bullet versus a 150 grains 7x65R. I also found that i shoot better skeet with my cal 16 Merkel weighing 2.8 kilo ( average 92.5 / 100) than with a cal 12 Miroku wighing 3.6 Kilo, simply because the gun handling is faster, and speed
is the name of the game in Skeet.






First, let me congratulate you on your good fortune in finding a used treasure like this Merkel. At one time I was interested in the same model Merkel in a 12 gauge shotgun to shoot international skeet, but every one I had sent to my gunsmith for examination turned out to have something wrong with it. I ended up with a Beretta SO-3, instead.

Secondly, it's interesting to have another international skeet shooter to compare notes with. This is a sport virtually unknown in the US, practiced primarily by the military shooting teams who make up the majority of US shooters in international competition.

I do feel that there is such a thing as too little weight in a skeet gun. I have a Merkel boxlock which is so light that it takes a concentrated effort to follow through shooting it due to its lack of momentum. Finally, I had it fitted with a set of 28 gauge tubes and this added enough mass to make it my favorite dove hunting companion.

Finally, I'm interested in your perception of recoil under hunting conditions. My experience hunting in Africa with an 8 3/4 pound rifle chambered for the magazine rifle equivalent of a .500 Nitro Express was that recoil was not a factor in the excitement of making a shot on dangerous game. I once put four shots into a running Cape buffalo using that rifle while perched on a narrow rock ledge with my gunbearer standing behind me to catch me if I lost my balance. Another time I put two quick shots into an elephant while I was precariously balanced atop a termite mound. In neither case did I even notice the recoil (about 100 ft/lbs), nor did I have problems with my equilibrium.

You didn't comment on your perception of recoil during your driven game hunt, but I suspect it might be because you were not aware of it (except for the unfortunate incident with the scope eyepiece).

Again, my congratulations.

Bill Warren


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Re: Gebr. Merkel 223 cal. .375 Flanged [Re: xausa]
      #221219 - 09/12/12 11:32 AM

on the subject of Recoil

Recoil is hardly felt when hunting, no matter how hard it is. however the time to recover between shooting the first shot and the time when you have moved the gun back into position for the second shot is sigificantly longer with a higher recoil. no matter if you feel the recoil or not, the boars will cover more ground during this time.

I am aware that tests may ruin a perfecly good discussion , but try the following and you will see my point :

In poland we have a shooting competition, shooting running boar at 50 meters, I think it is an olympic disipline. The shooter has the gun positioned at the hip, just like in international skeet when calling the boar, when the boar is visible ( not when you hear the engine) the shooter mounts the gun and makes one shot going left, then reloads and make one shot going right. In total 5 left and 5 right. A good shooter should make 90 of 100 points.

Now change the game and shoot two shots from the double rifle on each passing. try this with your favorite 7x65R double or smaller 7x57R or 6.5x57R, then repeat with a 375Flanged or bigger.
I shot both 7x65r and 375F this summer and I know I am capable of shooting two good shots with my 7x65R but no way with my 375 Flanged.

in the olympic double shot, running dder at the 1924 Olympics Norweegian shooter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Natvig
Won the olympic gold medal with his Gebr. Merke double rifle in caliber 6.5x55 loaded with special 1000 m/s norma ammunition.

se more in the http://www.jaktojagare.se/udda-merkel-dubbelstudsare-for-tavlingsskytte

Now to me the reason for his choice of rifle was that the double rifle in caliber 6.5x55 offered the best possible combination to win medals in the double shot dicipline and basically to hunt for running boar or deer.

Use the smallest legal catridge with Rand or Flange for the game in question. In Europe for boar and deer this would probably be the 6.5x55R. in Africa for buffalo this would be 375Flanged.

The ONLY reason for using my 375Flanged on driven Hunt in Europe is tha I want to know that I master it BEFORE getting into a tight corner somewhere in africa.

Regards, Peter Frost Hørlyck


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