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DarylS
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9.3x57 Model 46, 46B & 146 Husky
      #170229 - 25/10/10 12:02 PM

This ctg. deserves a thread. I know it's been mentioned in several other threads, but not it's own thread - at least I don't think so.

Guys - anyone looking for a light recoiling round that will do it all in NA and most in Africa need look no further.

These rifles are available in the States from Allen's Armory, and in Canada from Tradeexcanada, both . com. As well, both places sell M46's and M146's in not only 9.3x57 but also in 9.3x62.

For handloaded ballistics, one can safely use maximim .358 Winchester data with the same weight bullets & go from there. Anyone with a lot of handloading experience can then load for heavier bullets, the 270 Speer or 286gr. Hornady or Norma bullets. PriviPartisan bullets seem to be specifically designed for this round and work extremely well in it, as-does the 270 Speer.

Handloaded in a M46, which is virtually a Sedish 96 action, can achieve 2,200fps with 286gr., 2,300fps with 270's and 2,350 to 2,375fps with 250's, 2,450fps with 232's and 2,550fps with 225gr.(re-sized .375's).

Handloaded in a M146, the Model 98 action, the 9.3x57 can duplicate the 1925 9.3x62 data, which is still being loaded today, a 286gr. running around 2,340fps.

There are no flies on this ctg. just as the 9MMMauser has a following, the following today behind these Swedish Mausers in 9.3x57 is much larger. Literally hundreds of them have been sold in the past couple years - maybe thousands - just from Tradeexcanada alone.

The best powders seem to be the same as in the 9.3x62 - H4895, BLC2, and H335 in my experience, while others are playing with WW748, IMR4320 and IMR4064.

It is best to measure the chamber in some manner before firing the rifle. This round escaped the CIP and SAAMI regulation for some reason, so while there are 'general' standards adhered to, they can run large in grove diameter and chamber length to the shoulder. My own Husky M46, made in 1929, sports a chamber that is .019" longer than the factory 57MM shoulder datum line, as well, it has a tight neck, but also has a .370" groove diameter.

For me this is a hunting rifle and my favourite. I dare say, I enjoy shooting this rifle a lot more than the 9.3x62 or the .375/06IMP.
.365" (Privi's) and .366", Norma and Spear bullets all shoot 1 1/8" or less at 100 meters. That includes re-sized 225gr. Hornady SP's as well as re-sized .375 300gr. RN's.

I am pushing the RN's at 2,175fps & the same load with 285g.r Privi's runs 2,200fps.

The Model 98 action of the M146 Hudky, adds another 100fps to these stats, easily.

My web expansion is only .0005" over new, sized brass, with less than a thou neck expansion. I can only use bullets to .367" diameter as larger won't allow sufficient neck expansion.

I expand 8x57 Mauser RP brass straight in one step, then size the brass in Hornady dies to a crush fit on the shoulder. Brass will never need trimming, as the chamber neck is a bit long as well. This does not effect it's shooting capability.

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Re: 9.3x57 Model 46, 46B & 146 Husky [Re: DarylS]
      #170244 - 25/10/10 08:45 PM

Hi Daryl.
The M146,has it open sights and are they adequate or would you have to tinker with them ?.
I would love a Husky but have only seen one and it was drilled and tapped and the guy wanted $2200 so it stayed where it was.

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Re: 9.3x57 Model 46, 46B & 146 Husky [Re: FATBOY404]
      #170272 - 26/10/10 01:28 AM

The 146's all have open iron sights. The rear is on a boss and easily filed if you wish, to a shallow V as I did. The front is a bead insert(from the front) as on most Euro rifles. The sights are usually closely 'on' at 100 meters with factory 286gr. ammo.

My .46's sights were dead on at 50 meters with my 270gr handloads and an inch or so high at 100meters.
9.3x57 M46 Husky 270gr. Speer @ 2,300fps - range 200 yards -lasered.

Finger points to the entrance into the cavity of the bullet after smashing the on-side leg. The moose was standing on a little hill crest, chest higher than his butt, so the bullet had to climb through the cavity, which it did, stopping in the meat between ribs, just under the spine. At the time, I wasn't very happy with the performance, but have since changed my mind about it.


Edited by CptCurl (26/10/10 08:53 PM)


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Re: 9.3x57 Model 46, 46B & 146 Husky [Re: FATBOY404]
      #170298 - 26/10/10 09:20 AM

Quote:

I would love a Husky but have only seen one and it was drilled and tapped and the guy wanted $2200 so it stayed where it was.




Hi Neale,
I too saw that one and thought that he was truly dreaming at that price. It was the only one that I have seen for sale as well. I'm sure its still there.
George


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Re: 9.3x57 Model 46, 46B & 146 Husky [Re: GK]
      #170302 - 26/10/10 10:21 AM

George,I held it at the SCI in Brissy earlier in the year and while it is ok its not worth that money.

Cheers Neale.

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Re: 9.3x57 Model 46, 46B & 146 Husky [Re: FATBOY404]
      #170312 - 26/10/10 03:03 PM

There are plenty of them in Sweden. Priced from less then 100$ and some more if they are in good condition. //S

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Re: 9.3x57 Model 46, 46B & 146 Husky [Re: Sville]
      #170325 - 27/10/10 12:56 AM

Note the 'boss' ribs above the spine. That is what gives a moose it's hump. Hitting the boss ribs can drop a big bull in his tracks but before you can chamber another round, he's up and gone.

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Re: 9.3x57 Model 46, 46B & 146 Husky [Re: DarylS]
      #170392 - 27/10/10 11:48 PM

Let me jump in!

Daryl's assessment is right on.

The 57mm case provides energy up to the task for 99% of the world's game animals and the rifles can be sighted well for 200 to 250 meter shooting, depending on bullet. 300m for some of the bigger game animals like elk and moose.

The beauty of this round, to me, is that it generates little recoil and kills by producing those "Elmeresque" 2-inch boreholes you can eat right up to, and that with soft bullets that expand at start speeds out to the useful range of the cartridge.

Recoil seems to jump when one leaves the 57mm case behind and moves up to the 62 or 64 mm cases with their added powder. I don't know why but it just seems to be noticeable to most who shoot my rifles, even my bear gun, my 6 pound jaktdiopter-sighted 46, that this is a very light-kicking caliber for power-range. So the guns can be built very light and still provide the sort of ballistics generated by the 9.3x62 for the first 30 years or so of that great cartridge's history.

There is a lot of room at the gun engineer's table for this round. I'd love to see a "Medved"type semiauto in 9.3x57. With the case length as it is, something like a Valmet semiauto would be quite possible. LIGHT saddle carbines are totally in the realm of the possible with it also. The M94 action used to make the M46 and some solid wall 640 HVA rifles seems custom designed for the round and being shorter than the 98, still allows tbullets to be seated out quite far enough to maximize powder capacity.

And cases are easy to make, in fact, they basically come "made" for my two rifles; I merely run new Remington 8x57 hulls thru the Hornady sizer and load. Nuff said! And first loadings in new 8x57mm cases can be shot right along reloads without any change in zero, unlike the reality of forming new 9.3x62 cases from .30-06 for example, at least in my rifles.

My use of resized .375 caliber bullets has opened new vistas with the round, too. I have used 225 Hornady Spire Points resized to fit my 146 on big whitetails with great results. I filled a neighbor's freezer once with a resized Hornady 270 Spire Point, that one being used on a big gone-crazy steer. One of them shattered the shoulder and exited the animal at an angle...what else could be wished for? And of course there are many 9.3 caliber bullets wholly suitable for the round and they work great on bear, deer and elk also.

There is something almost perfect about the mating of lead-core bullets with 2100-2500 velocities when shots on game fall in the up-to-250 yard bracket, which is 99% of the shots we all take on deer and almost everything else as well! Pricey custom bullets are great, but this round doesn't need them for almost any work. This round truly has combination of light recoil and killing-power that drums up the also great 6.5x55, both rounds that look small and perform big.

Much is made of the great performance of the 9.3x62 and it is of course a great round, but pulling a modern ammo catalogue off the shelf or thumbing through a modern reloading book implies a big black lie about that one. The modern x62 is a different round than it was when it made its name. What made the great reputation of the 9.3x62 is...exactly the ballistics the 9.3x57 generates with modern powders!

The 9.3x57 deserves better; With all the production of new calibers that has occured in the last 15 years, this one was missed. All they needed to do was dust off and sharpen the chambering reamers and get to work building light game killers that would be useful in all the countries represented on this great Forum. Maybe someday, somewhere, some company will?

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Re: 9.3x57 Model 46, 46B & 146 Husky [Re: 9.3x57]
      #170400 - 28/10/10 04:04 AM

Quote:

Let me jump in!

The 9.3x57 deserves better; With all the production of new calibers that has occured in the last 15 years, this one was missed. All they needed to do was dust off and sharpen the chambering reamers and get to work building light game killers that would be useful in all the countries represented on this great Forum. Maybe someday, somewhere, some company will?




Rod - spot-on. While the rest of your post was right on, of course (& you have more game experience with this round than anyone this side of the pond), this last paragraph pretty much perfectly sums up the 9.3x57. It is THAT good, folks. It should be made anew. It is what the .358 Winchester attempted, but didn't quite do. It provides the original 9.3x62 ballistics in a handy, easy shooting rifle - indeed - well stated.

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Re: 9.3x57 Model 46, 46B & 146 Husky [Re: DarylS]
      #170448 - 28/10/10 08:53 AM

Simpson's Ltd. of Galesburg,IL (https://www.simpsonltd.com) is loaded with Husqvarnas in 9.3X57, mostly Model 46's but at least one 648. I have dealt with these people in the past and the descriptions I got from them over the phone have tallied exactly with the rifle when I received it.

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Re: 9.3x57 Model 46, 46B & 146 Husky [Re: xausa]
      #170508 - 29/10/10 05:41 AM

iirc, a big bad firm from germany, starting with B..... (I dont write it here because it may harm or insult other members) growing over the last years with the help of Luzifer have now 9,3x57 barrels for the satanic rifles they produce.
but this is in no way a solution for a gentleman!

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Re: 9.3x57 Model 46, 46B & 146 Husky [Re: lancaster]
      #170535 - 29/10/10 02:19 PM

Daryl, I should have known I'd find you over here. LOL

Happy to report my 146 is back in my hands and just waiting to get some TLC before it goes out again.
As to anchoring your moose to the ground, mine was down before the barrel came down from recoil with one 270gr through the two should blades.

So happy to have this one back I am going to let my guild gun chambered the same go to a new home.


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Re: 9.3x57 As Elmer Said; Eat Right up to the Hole [Re: Supersporter40]
      #171100 - 08/11/10 01:56 AM

Daryl, here is recent example.

Just like Elmer said. The Hole cut from the off shoulder {shattered} of a 195 lb {gutted} 4x4 whitetail buck shot at 90 yards. Velocity from the tube, 2550 fps. The bullet; Hornady 225 grain Spire Point resized to fit the .368 groove 146 barrel. Bullet exited. I know what it looked like when it left the buck since I've recovered a few that haven't.

The 9.3x57 is one of the most modern, efficient cartridges ever designed. No extra case capacity, no excess powder for bullets to 286 grain weight. That efficiency produces a light-kicking, hard-killing cartridge that deserves better than it gets.

Want me to kill the cartridge off right now?

OK, how's this; Girls can shoot it with ease.

There, done.

We all know that when Real Men shoot animals, the critters won't die unless they are shot with rifles that kick like Ike's Mule...





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Re: 9.3x57 As Elmer Said; Eat Right up to the Hole [Re: 9.3x57]
      #171103 - 08/11/10 03:15 AM

Excellent!
Muley Doe season starts here on Wed. so I'll be going out sometime - hopfully a Whitetail buck and muley doe come home with me. I kinda was going to use my .58 Double Rifle ML, but might take the 9.3x57 instead - I did load up a whack of ammo for it, afterall.

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