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Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage
      #257919 - 16/12/14 10:56 AM

This is my Savage Deluxe Model 45 Super Sporter in .300 Savage .Originally purchased by my GrandFather in Butte Montana in the late 1920's to the best of my knowledge .Our family used this rifle for years to harvest all sorts of big game . My Dad used it to take his first Elk and Mountain Goat .I killed my first Deer , Moose and Bear with this rifle.My Dad also killed his last Deer with the Savage at over 80 years old. It has accumulated probably close to 100 head of large game in its lifetime. The Savage Super Sporter was made from 1926 to 1940 to the best of my knowledge.My Stoeger catalogs from the '30's list the Deluxe model in the mid 50$ range ,about the same as the Winchester 54 and a few dollars less than the Remington 30 . It is quite an excellent rifle .The Super Sporter feeds from a 4 round box magazine and is one of the slickest feeding bolt action rifles I have ever used.It has twin locking lugs with the bolt handle as a third lug.Twin clip Sako like extractors have never failed in many years afield.The Lyman peep sights are lightning fast on a target.The trigger is about 4 pounds with a crisp break and was considerably better than the Winchester 54,Remington 30 ,Mausers and Mosins of its day . The Super Sporter is a very well balanced rifle and a pleasure to shoot .Its very accurate ; I have no problem getting moa groups from field positions which was probably enhanced when I bedded the action lug back in the late 70's when I was a kid.The stock is excellent grade Walnut with lots of Tiger striping .Years ago the original finish started to wear off so I removed what was left and finished the stock with Pine Tar wiped on and left to soak in in the hot mountain sun .The Pine Tar finish still looks good today. We always shot Winchester Silver tip ammo out of the Super Sporter .I chronoed some old 180's last year at about 2400 fps out of the 24" barrel .My reloads now duplicate that old load. These rifles are not well known but I was surprised to see a mint Deluxe Model selling at Cabelas for $900 recently. The $50 my GrandFather spent many years ago was money well spent as this is a rifle that has proved to be reliable and accurate through the many years of its service.It is a unique survivor of an era long ago.


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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #257921 - 16/12/14 12:10 PM

DV thanks for posting. Your rifle ticks all the box's for me. I like the classic smooth look and the stock lines and colour is fantatic.

Your rifle sure has lots of character and will be an honoured aireloom to hand down.

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Rule303]
      #257923 - 16/12/14 01:54 PM

Oh my goodness! That is gorgeous! I love it!

And fantastic history and story, thank you for sharing.

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Ash]
      #257926 - 16/12/14 02:43 PM

Everyone remembers the pre 64 Winchester 70 but Americans made most excellent other bolt action rifles prior to WW2 : The Winchester Model 54 , the Remington Model 30 Express ( Used by the great American hunter Grancel Fitz exclusively ) The ultra rare Remington 720 , the Savage Model 20 and the Savage Super Sporter .And of course Stuart E. Whites and Teddy Roosevelt's Springfield Sporters . I will do a later article on my Dads Remington 720 bought in Alaska in late 1941 just months prior to Pearl Harbor . Dad was stuck in Alaska till spring ( always in danger of a Jap attack ) when he got back to the states and promptly joined the US Marines

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #257932 - 16/12/14 04:51 PM

thats realy great wood for a rifle you dont see outside of north america. did it have a single row magazine?

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: lancaster]
      #257933 - 16/12/14 05:33 PM

Yes a single stack 4 shot magazine ; the rifle holds 5 . Before WW2 the US had an abundance of Walnut trees with nice grain . It's not unusual to see pre war rifles with excellent wood . WW2 took most of the decent trees for Garand and Carbine stocks .Interestingly the Savage Super Sporter receiver and magazine are very similar to my Sauer 90 . Even the bolt handles are similar . The Savage of course is a much less complex rifle with fewer parts and therefor more reliable.Decades of hunting have produced zero malfunctions or problems of any kind .

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: lancaster]
      #257934 - 16/12/14 05:38 PM

Nice rifle. It seems that older Savage rifles used to have a special touch on their design. In this case stocks pistol grip looks a little odd in my eyes. The action itself is IMO very similar as in older germany made Anschütz rifles.

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Igorrock]
      #257935 - 16/12/14 05:53 PM

Wow what a grand rifle to own and the 300 Savage is one of those old but effective cartridges too. I hope you have someone to hand this one down to, you just couldn't sell it off with that history and having been lovingly cared for.

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: eagle27]
      #257936 - 16/12/14 06:08 PM

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Wow what a grand rifle to own and the 300 Savage is one of those old but effective cartridges too. I hope you have someone to hand this one down to, you just couldn't sell it off with that history and having been lovingly cared for.


Yes the 300 Savage was originally made to approach 30-06 ballistics with 150 and 180 grain loads . I believe the velocities were 2,700 for a 150 and 2380 for a 180 out of a 22 inch barrel . As stated earlier I chronographed some old Winchester Silvertip 180 ammo and it clocked around 2,400 in this rifle . Actually the 7.62x51 or 308 Winchester was a direct result of the 300 Savage . The Savage round was to be used in the New US M14 rifle but the designers wanted a slightly longer neck and the 308 was born .

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #257939 - 17/12/14 02:02 AM

The front sight ramp is milled as part of the barrel and not an add on .You don't see that much nowadays... Another thing I really like about this rifle is the ease of bolt manipulation .The rifle cocks on opening ,like a Winchester 70 and a Mauser 98 and it opens very easily which is needed for fast follow up shots when working the bolt while shouldered


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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #258037 - 19/12/14 01:34 AM

I have no dog in this hunt but Cabela's has a nice deluxe 30-06 for those interested. These rifles are rare 'and if you enjoy stalking big game with iron sights as I do this is a classic rifle you cant go wrong with.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Savage-Super-Sporter/1666827.uts

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #258064 - 19/12/14 11:42 AM

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I have no dog in this hunt but Cabela's has a nice deluxe 30-06 for those interested. These rifles are rare 'and if you enjoy stalking big game with iron sights as I do this is a classic rifle you cant go wrong with.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Savage-Super-Sporter/1666827.uts


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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #258074 - 19/12/14 04:33 PM

Thanks for this post - very handsome rifle. I have a Model 20 in .250 Savage which I really like, but I've passed on several Super sporters at very reasonable prices in the past because it always looked ungainly to me - your photos and commentary have changed my mind. I also like the Remington 30, especially the 30-S and have one good one. Do you know where I can read more on Grancel Fitz?

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: mckinney]
      #258098 - 20/12/14 03:30 AM

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Thanks for this post - very handsome rifle. I have a Model 20 in .250 Savage which I really like, but I've passed on several Super sporters at very reasonable prices in the past because it always looked ungainly to me - your photos and commentary have changed my mind. I also like the Remington 30, especially the 30-S and have one good one. Do you know where I can read more on Grancel Fitz?

Thank you . Your model 20 is a most excellent rifle .I believe Savage discontinued it because it was too short of an action to use the 30-06 cartridge .Rumours say Savage made a few in 30-06 unsuccessfully. Sadly Savage changed the Super Sporters stock in 1936 from the British Express style stock that mine has to a severe splinter fore end with a schnable Germanic style that was very unpopular.They also moved the magazine release to a hole on the right side of the new designed stock that was even more unsightly. The early rifles as mine is were quite nice however and very user friendly and well made .Mine is a joy to shoot and hunt with. Grancel Fitz was one the first if not the first hunter to take all 25 big game species in North America (took him 30 years to do it) .Amazingly he did it with one rifle ; a custom stocked Model 30 Remington Express built by Griffin and Howe in 30-06 calibre with a 2-3/4 power German Zeiss scope .Fitz used to laugh at all the calibre arguments stating the 30-06 was good for anything ;and proved it was the hunter that mattered not the calibre of the rifle .He used the same rifle throughout the world with equal success . http://www.wildsheep.org/magazines/article_true_1948.htm


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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #258110 - 20/12/14 09:59 AM

DV you list some of the best rifle I believe the US made. I would like to have at least one of each including the Savage 99 with the rotary magazine. Savage did itself and US hunters a dis-service when they changed the stock design on you rifle in my opinion.

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Rule303]
      #258111 - 20/12/14 10:14 AM

The scope shown on the Remington rifle above is obviously not a Zeiss, but a Hensoldt "Ziel -Dialyt" 2 3/4x

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: kuduae]
      #258112 - 20/12/14 10:51 AM

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The scope shown on the Remington rifle above is obviously not a Zeiss, but a Hensoldt "Ziel -Dialyt" 2 3/4x

That could very well be . Remember though Hensoldt was back then and possibly still is owned (since 1928 )by Zeiss. Fitz himself describes the scope being a Zeiss in his writings possibly because the Hensoldt was offered under the Zeiss name .

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Rule303]
      #258114 - 20/12/14 11:39 AM

Rule303 I agree! The early Remington 30 stock was similar . This was improved along with a nicer bolt handle and cock on opening when the 30 Express evolved into the Remington 720 . I personally think the early British Express style stock was the finest design ever made for a hunting rifle . Fitz himself restocked his Remington 30 to this design offered by Griffin and Howe

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #258115 - 20/12/14 11:59 AM

Remington 720 ad from 1940 Stoeger catalog .Also a Holland and Holland British Express rifle built on the same 1917 Enfield action and similar stock design


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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #258128 - 20/12/14 09:34 PM

DV thanks for posting that info. I still am a sucker for the dogleg bolt handel on the P14/M17 Rem 30 but the 720 like the Savage 45 really work fro me.

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Rule303]
      #258150 - 22/12/14 02:05 AM

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DV thanks for posting that info. I still am a sucker for the dogleg bolt handel on the P14/M17 Rem 30 but the 720 like the Savage 45 really work fro me.

Some ads from my 1932 Stoeger catalog ...

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #258153 - 22/12/14 11:44 AM

DV, Thanks for posting the old catalouge. One can dream.

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Rule303]
      #258154 - 22/12/14 12:57 PM

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DV, Thanks for posting the old catalouge. One can dream.
Rule303 Here is a live one . What a nice rifle !


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=458675669

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #258156 - 22/12/14 03:27 PM

great stuff

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: lancaster]
      #258194 - 24/12/14 01:03 AM

Wow! Pine tar?? Is this the same goop we used to use as a base on cross country skis?? Any info on that finish would be appreciated!
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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: gungadoug]
      #258195 - 24/12/14 01:28 AM

Pure pine tar is IMO not recommendable finishing material for gun stocks but it´s good part for mixtura with turpentine and boiled lenseed oil, maybe with hint of bees/carnauba wax with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_tar

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: gungadoug]
      #258235 - 25/12/14 09:05 AM

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Wow! Pine tar?? Is this the same goop we used to use as a base on cross country skis?? Any info on that finish would be appreciated!
Doug


Yes . The same pine tar that we used as a base for Nordic skis before waxing has the same waterproofing properties on gunstocks . The problem is that it is thick and messy to apply . How I get around this is mixing the purest form of Scandinavian pine tar with 100% pure Tung oil which itself has excellent waterproofing qualities .This thins out the mixture for ease of application . What the pine tar also brings to the compound is the gripping non sticky qualities on wood in cold wet weather . This is why baseball players use it on bats .Also this pine tar Tung oil mixture leaves a non glare matte finish on gunstocks . I have tested dozens of products and mixtures for water proofing wood and this is by far the best I have used . BTW boiled linseed oil has almost zero waterproofing qualities and any experienced woodworker will tell you that . Pine tar has been around since the Vikings used it and IMO is still the best

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #258381 - 30/12/14 02:13 AM

It looks great on your rifle.

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #258394 - 30/12/14 10:49 AM

DV you sure know how to tease a bloke. That Rem 30 is a bloody nice looking rifle.

Think I may have to try the Pine Tar and Tung Oil on a couple of my rifles.

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Re: Savage Model 45 Super Sporter .300 Savage [Re: Rule303]
      #258399 - 30/12/14 01:54 PM

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DV you sure know how to tease a bloke. That Rem 30 is a bloody nice looking rifle.

Think I may have to try the Pine Tar and Tung Oil on a couple of my rifles.


Rule303 , The most enjoyable thing for me about forums is when someone posts a rare vintage rifle with a history for all to enjoy . That Remington 30 Express is a fine rifle . I will be posting pictures of my Remington 720 which was the last refinement of the 30 Express shortly

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