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Schultz&Larsen Stutzen
      #239619 - 20/12/13 11:34 PM

a very charming Schultz&Larsen police carbine M 42 bought back by the maker after WW 2 and sporterized into a full stock hunting rifle
nice rifle in 8x58RD
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4721081












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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #239620 - 20/12/13 11:40 PM

Yes, very different and nice rifle.

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: Igorrock]
      #239769 - 26/12/13 05:05 AM

Interesting; you certainly don't see those every day

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #257583 - 07/12/14 04:43 AM

Bisgaard&Nielson have another Schultz&Larsen hunting rifle for sale
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5213370











very nice classic rifle and no interest with 100 euro starting bid just now.
its realy a temptation for me!
also having a claw mount

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #257744 - 12/12/14 07:54 AM

Oooh I really want the above! The Full stock woulda been better. How much did it go for?

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: Ash]
      #257777 - 12/12/14 11:49 PM


I think I our friend Lancaster got his rifle.

I know where there is a fullstocked(stutzen or Mannlicherstyle) is for sale. However its for a different kind of money.


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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: rigbymauser]
      #257779 - 13/12/14 12:26 AM

You'd be right, if the PM i got is correct

Congratulations, Lancaster! Get some pictures up and a fully explanation of how the rifle works when you get it!

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: Ash]
      #257780 - 13/12/14 12:41 AM

I am sorry but you better be patient
bad moment for geting import papers now because the police is not known for speed. doubt they will make paperwork before christmas and than come christmas holidays and then comes new years holidays...

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #257781 - 13/12/14 12:47 AM

Quote:

I am sorry but you better be patient
bad moment for geting import papers now because the police is not known for speed. doubt they will make paperwork before christmas and than come christmas holidays and then comes new years holidays...




I know the pain..Here for every firearm we want (including BB guns!) we must pay $35 for a "Permit to Acquire"..then send it out and wait 2 weeks - many months for it to come back. When it does we can go get our new toy. OH and for each centerfire rifle we need a "Genuine reason" to own it..

Fine..I'll be patient! >.< Really want to know how these things work! Looks a treat. I'm sure you'll be coming back to this thread lots to keep relooking at the pictures whilst waiting for it all to arrive

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: Ash]
      #260448 - 13/02/15 09:32 PM

so here it is, was a long time


think I will freshen up the stock

had seen a lot of use



the rear looking bolt with the very strong receiver was ahead of its time, whats common today with CNC machining was then good old craftmansship. the three position wing safety works exactly like a mauser safety.





the spring loaded magazin cover moving the follower in when open







first rifle I know a Suhler Einhakmontage claw mount is not made in germany/austria. think it was made by S&L when the rifle was sporterized after the war. the claw mount parts looking a little bit different - speaking danish with heavy german accent.




scandinavian trio, swedisch mauser, danish S&L, finnish mosin





for a quartet I would need a norwegian Kongsberg M 48 or M 51 Krag but they are rare


http://www.kvf.no/vaapen.php?type=Rifle&weaponid=RIF0109










http://www.kvf.no/vaapen.php?type=Rifle&weaponid=RIF0110
















my cock on closing bolt action number three, swedisch mauser, schultz&larsen, hungarian G 98/40



the four rounds magazine+one in the chamber reminds me on the old mosin that use a similar rimmed cartridge. difference is you can not load the S&L magazine from the top.



you fill the magazin by open the cover and let fall 4 rounds into it



for open the magazine cover you have to press the spring loaded button on the right side







when I had the rifle in my hands first time the bolt falls out of the receiver and I was looking for th bolt stop. was not sure about this because it dont move in the beginning and its sometimes wise if you dont use brutal force.



than the lever move and it is indeed the bolt stop




looks like S&L makes usally full and half stocks sporter


here is a full stock for sale in canada

http://psmilitaria.50megs.com/guns.html


and this is the same model I have


http://danskgevaer.com/wp/?cat=5



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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #260574 - 16/02/15 08:46 PM

if you go a little bit into details learn the S&L M 42 standing no alone
when base on a target rifle action it sah the sun first as hunting Stutzen M 38 with a 3 rounds magazine closed with the teutonic lever and the teutonic double set trigger. Schultz&Larsen had a strong german connection when they bought surplus gunmaker machines from germany after 1918 also making submachine guns and machine guns for german customers in the 1920s when it was forbidden in germany.

I found the pics here on the site of the Schultz&Larsen Collectors Club which preserves the history of this firm. http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/

a M 38 in 8x58RD and another M 38 in 6,5x58R



the M 38 and the M 42 in the original police carbine version



http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/index_htm_files/R.P.L.T42.pdf
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/index_htm_files/Politikarabinen_M1942%20%282%29.pdf

the 6,5x58R is a 8x58R necked down to 6,5mm called 6,5mm M (19)28, first time I see a hunting rifle with this chamber.
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2042.htm

after the war Schultz&Larsen were rebuild the M 42 in hunting rifles, two models with full and half stock. than the action was modified from time to time up the to the end of the 1970s.

http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2054j.htm
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2056a.htm
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2060.htm
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2065-65dl.htm
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2065x.htm
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2068dl.htm
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2077.htm
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2080.htm

the action once ahead of its time came to an end with the demand for take down rifles where the locking lugs are better in front of the bolt like in the actual S&L Model 97 http://www.schultzlarsen.com/m97dl.htm

would like to see the old model in 458 Winchester mag



M 65, the typical four rear locking lugs are good to see










http://www.lauritz.com/en/auction/schultz-larsen-otterup-model-m65-calibre-6-5x57/i3168294/

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #260652 - 18/02/15 08:45 AM

I had an M65 in 7x61 Sharpe and Hart. Loved the rifle. I was luke warm on the caliber at the time and let it go. Would love to find another, even if in something as bland as 30-06. It's a marvelous action. Very smooth. Very strong.

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: Norman4]
      #261177 - 25/02/15 10:24 PM

Fantastic rifle, Lancaster! Thanks for the more detailed pics. You got this so cheap

Do you have to be careful loading to prevent rim lock when you drop them in?

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: Ash]
      #265162 - 18/05/15 02:29 PM

another half stock rifle for sale, SN looks like 1032













starting bid at 375 euro http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5456830

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #265204 - 19/05/15 02:31 PM

finally my M 42 is now on the way to the proof house in Suhl. ch4d had the die set on stock and send it very quick to me but for legally shoot the rifle here it have to be proofed. for obsolete ammo you have to give the proof house 4 factory rounds and then they load the proof cartridges.
8x58RD is hard to find and I was happy in the end to get some cases and bullets. dont know what happen once but most 8x58RD ammo looks like it was dumped into the sea for decades





clean it, aneal it and set new 5,5mm RWS berdan primer( the hardest to get out primer ever, was like soft soldered into the case)

hope they take brass made in 1928




my idea is to use 8x56R brass but this is nothing they accept in Suhl for the proof




you see a 8x56R case loaded with the die set( it get a little step by the die here but can be loaded also without in the chamber) and danish military brass with a softpoint and the original spitzer bullet.




its not easy to find trusted data about the 8x58RD so I was very happy to get this drawing made by the danish army arsenal.



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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: rigbymauser]
      #271449 - 07/10/15 05:05 AM

today I had the pleasure of a visit by Jørgen from the Schultz&larsen Collector Club in Denmark. He came acroos my home on a hunting trip an had two other S&L rifles in the car so I make pics.
It was a M 65 in 243 Win. and M 68 in 308 Win., two models that have only minor differences.

Jørgen had the opinion that this models have the best quality at all and its very clear that my wartime made M 42 could not have the same level of quality. actually the action of the M 65 and M 68 working very smooooooth


here side by side with my M 42 that came back from the proof house in Suhl last week.
of course it stand the proof




it have a different bolt sleeve and safety but in the end its the same action. the receiver and the bolt ~ 15 mm longer than the one of the orignal M 42 action probably to deal with cartridges long like the 30 06.






while the M 42 cock on closing the later models cock on opening like most other bolt actions





M 68





M 65






the double row mauser style magazine of the later models against the M 42 single row magazine for rimmed cartridges










pics from sweden in the 1980s when a "triplette" was shoot with this M 68
bull moose, cow moose and calf












got some 8x58 RD cartridges, collector stuff like this original Norma cartridges and handloads with Norma and danish military cases





left to right
my own handload with the 200 grains 8mm S prvi bullet in 1929 made military brass
unknown 12,7 gramm spitzer softpoint in military brass
unknown 10 gramm softpoint in Norma brass
original danish 8x58 RD military fmj
copy of the Norma factory load with the 12,7 gramm Norma softpoint bullet in danish military brass
Norma factory round







not complete 8mm family
8x57IRS 8x58RD fmj and softpoint 8x57IS


8x57R 360, 8x58R S&S, 8x50R Mannlicher, 8x56R Kropatschek, 8x50R Lebel, 8x56R M 30, 8x56 MS, 8x60 S, 8mm MYSTERY, 8x64 Brennecke (not in the best shape but orignal pre war), 8x75RS


8mm Mystery?
just find out now I have an unknown cartridge, something I thought before its a 8x64 Brennecke
it isnt!
the case having the DWM Karlsruhe 474C headstamp
474C is the case number for the 9,3x62 but this is a 8mm cartridge





side by side with a 9,3x62 case





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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #271674 - 14/10/15 05:56 AM

the rifle SN 903 ( I have SN 945) was in auction last weekend in denmark
http://www.lauritz.com/en/auction/dansk-politikarabin-model-1942-kaliber-8x58rd/i4003765/#
it show some difference in checkering if compare with my own rifle so Schultz&larsen maybe make a customization.











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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #272602 - 04/11/15 06:47 AM

Jørgen from denmark send my pics of an accident happen last week. the owner of some kind of prototype rifle SN 1403 and made probably 1945/46 as a missing link between the Mod. 42 and the later Mod. 54 J was able to destroy his rifle by "hammer" a 6,5x55 Norma 9,1 gramm Match cartridge into the chamber when there was an unknown problem while reloading it from the magazine. I dont know if he was hurt but the rare rifle got theirs part



















what ever he did, it was not a good idea


the barrel is marked with 6,5R, maybe startet as a 6,5x58R barrel once and that rechambered for the 6,5x55.
the 6,5x58R was some kind of a wildcat cartride made by necking down the 8x58RD.





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      #276141 - 05/01/16 10:17 PM

two interesting early Schultz&Larsen rifle's for sale

this 8x60S http://huntershouse.dk/kat408-Rifler/side1965-Schultz-Larsen-M-54.html have allways the teutonic magazine lever of the pre war M 38 and also the early post war prototyp that was destroyed, see the pics above



I think this must be another one of the transition rifles between the M 42 and the M 54.


here is a Model 56 A in 416 Rigby http://huntershouse.dk/kat408-Rifler/side569-Schultz-Larsen-model-56A.html


you wonder why they dont give it iron sights for a dangerous game rifle. the 416 rigby was allways rare chambered before the 1990s when it became realy popular.

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      #276203 - 07/01/16 12:51 AM

striking similarity between the M 42 and this two early S&L Mauser rifles, its like they were made together







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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #276226 - 07/01/16 10:24 AM

Thanks for posting Lancaster. very informative and interesting. Would like a S&L in 416 Rigby, hell in any calibre.

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      #276422 - 11/01/16 09:59 AM


Thanks for sharing Lancaster. To find a Stutzen in 6,5x58R would be a peach. I have 1 or two original 6,5x58R cartridges. They are very very very rare.


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      #276438 - 11/01/16 11:44 PM

this is a very hard to find collector cartridge, dont have it in my box

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #276445 - 12/01/16 02:32 AM

http://dutchman.rebooty.com/GB8x58RD.html

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      #277136 - 26/01/16 03:39 AM

the M 42 world is a very small one
there is one of the few rifles in auction just now that was not sporterized by S&L after the war. SN is 1017 but the bolt was mixed up sometimes and have the SN 944.
my own sporter have the SN 945





http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/dansk-...al-8/i4132319/#
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      #277845 - 12/02/16 05:34 AM

I bought a 6x42 Zeiss Diatal for the S&L because its still a good scope for many hunting situations and it looks period on this rifle.
got a like new scope with the old claw mount parts on the the rail.




how many time have we read this question "is it possible to buy claw mount feets for my old german gun?" no, its not but when I look how much modification was necessary to fit the 1970s german claw mount feets into the early 1950s Schultz&Larsen made bases I renounce my faith.


the rear feet fits! and in this postion its the right distance between eye and scope too.
dont believe it will ever happen again and the front feet also dont fit. not only in height but the claws dont having the right dimensions.
no problem it all the claws will be cut of, a little steel block will be welded under the front feet and new claws then milling and filing from this.





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Re: the impossible [Re: lancaster]
      #277852 - 12/02/16 10:18 AM

You should use shorter scopes...

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      #277865 - 12/02/16 03:56 PM

maybe but I believe it was original made for the size of a 6 x scope because any 4 x scope on this mount was to far of the eye.

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Re: the impossible [Re: lancaster]
      #277897 - 13/02/16 05:09 AM

I have seen SEM fore mount which helps to assembly short scope so that objective lens is about an inch or even more backwards from mounts lower front part.

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #278504 - 27/02/16 05:38 AM

so the last mystery is solved: how to disassemble the M 42 bolt

I have got pics from canada coming over denmark showing the stutzen SN 615 bought after seeing the link in this thread above from P&S Guns/ Canada. there is another new owner of a M 42 because of this post here so better be careful!
Gunnar, the new owner is a Schultz&Larsen collector, pure danish breed and walk around the world in his life working as a game keeper/professional hunter.





one of the pics showing he was brave enough to disassembele the bolt something I dont have done till now because not knowing where to start and fear to break anything.









He was kind enough to make "How To Do It" pics and give a short instruction and because this is something you can not find anywhere I will post it here for the benefit of the classic rifle collector community.


"1: Bolt # 615, disassemble.

2: remove firing pin indicator from rear, img 2

3: remove the 2 side screws from rear housing, one on each side img 3

4: If bolt can not be un-screwed by hand, set up front part of bolt in vice, use appropriate pliers and protective buffers not to mar the metal, turn rear housing loose, remove from vice and turn the front part from rear the housing and the locking lugs, take care not to loose the spring loaded pointer. img 7

5: Now the firing pin and spring can be removed for cleaning, if this has not been done for a number of years there is likely a build-up of dried grease, which can be cause of miss firing. img 10

6: If need to the safety leaver and the spring loaded pointer can also be removed from rear housing via bolt from front side of rear housing.


7: assemble in reverse

8: Bushing for the back of firing pin spring, which fits inside the threaded front part of bolt, when bolt is screwed together. This bushing go in the rear housing with large diameter first, note the serial no. stamped on it show that parts were made to fit individual bolts. img 24/ img 24-1

10: firing pin and spring back in front part of bolt

11: Needed or not a little molylube on shaft where the locking lugs turn

12: spring loaded pointer into front part of rear housing

13: hand turn front part into rear housing, as you keep locking part and rear housing stationary, not to twist as pointers grap OK img 29

14: Now remember step "8" bushing, this bushing has to fit into the front part of bolt and support the firing pin spring, If the bushing do not slip inside, screw back and fort a little until you feel it has slide inside, there is no need for force.

15: set up in vice and snug the parts together. I think this bolt 615 has newer been disassembled and at no time found I any screws excessively tight.

16: Note the 2 side screws for the rear housing is not alike and go into individual screw holes, this prevent the bolt from come loose. img31

17: finaly screw in the firing pin indicator at the rear."




















well, it worked for me







I was surprised to see this bolt is not made in on piece but a very clever design and ahead of its time. the light and therefore very quick firing pin shows this was made as a target rifle in the beginning.
thank you very much for the work

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #278655 - 29/02/16 10:02 PM

Schultz & Larsen serial numbers are far from being logical but some sense is this



the Mod 42 goes from 100 to 1320 http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2042.htm


a Mod. 100 DL last year in Namibia




http://www.rifleshootermag.com/rifles/featured_rifles_rs_greatdane_200906/

cape buffalo with 7x61 S&H




lions with a M 65 in 458 Win Mag


http://www.riffeljagt.com/NOMotterup.htm



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      #278908 - 07/03/16 01:55 AM

more pics showing the 458 Win Mag Schultz&Larsen here in a Model 56 A




in all there are 10 rifles known till now made in 458 and thats making them very rare like the Mannlicher Schönauer in 458.




a seventy pounder shot 1971 in Kenia by a danish hunter with a Mod 60, SN 6262




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      #279834 - 25/03/16 11:59 PM

spring time also in Canada and the stutzen was on the range with handloads made by using 8x56R brass








the brass was blowing out with 42 grn N 203B and 125 grn Hornady bullet, on the left the original 8x56R case that gets only a little shoulder from the ch4d die set




gunshop basement find, 1960s Norm 7x61 ammo together with the new die set.
its allways a pleasure to deal with ch4d, they are cheap or better well-prised and allways willing to help no matter what the problems is. I can say only the best about them!




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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #279867 - 26/03/16 11:30 AM

Are the M65's, 68's etc the same action (basically) as your military sporting conversion?

Nice picture with lions

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      #279886 - 26/03/16 07:43 PM

all are modifications of the original M 1938 action.
from M 54 onwards the action was extended to take 30 06/ magnum cartridges

and yes, the pic with the 3 lions is spectacular

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #280701 - 10/04/16 06:26 PM

Simpson's LTD has or maybe by now they don't but they had two S&L stuzens in 8x58 r caliber. One had the barrel plugged and the other was good to go. You have to look under miscellanious catagory to find them. Just passing it along. Frank

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      #280711 - 10/04/16 08:26 PM

Lancaster, all your photos are good. Yes the one with the 3 lions is the pick of them.

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      #280715 - 11/04/16 12:18 AM

Quote:

Simpson's LTD has or maybe by now they don't but they had two S&L stuzens in 8x58 r caliber. One had the barrel plugged and the other was good to go. You have to look under miscellanious catagory to find them. Just passing it along. Frank




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      #280929 - 15/04/16 05:34 AM

another Elephant shot with the very first 458 Win Mag rifle S 501 by the danish hunter Carl Juul Johansen in 1963





the rifle was made as a prototyp by Uffe Schultz Larsen in Otterup



and is still in family





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      #281780 - 01/05/16 02:34 AM

the scope is on the rifle













with a little welding it was enough meat to mill new claws from the original feets but there is a little tension because the front base holes standing not perfect in line with the rear base. we dont know why this was done once but probabyl it had an today unknown reason. I will test it next week to see if this affects the rifle when shoting but if so it have to go back and the hole's have to be welded and file again.

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      #281803 - 01/05/16 06:51 PM


Thanks for sharing Lars. I have always had an ambivalent relation to rifles made here i Denmark. But your thread does bring about a new interest. Being Danish ofcouse my patriotic mind says ofcouse I ought to have just one rifle in our own 8x58R. I do come across a S&L huntingrifle in 8x58R...maybe next time I might just grab it..:-)


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      #281816 - 02/05/16 03:42 AM

I am realy not responsible for this because it just came to me on its own. if a gun is without plastic, aluminium, weaver rails and white spacer I need to know what it is.;)

got some new made 8x58RD Horneber cases today and it was special. just the first case stuck into my die (I was able to rescue it) and when looking whats wrong find out the Lee 45/70 shellholder was out of specs for the 8x58RD and Horneber brass is with 12,80 mm base diameter very large. dont know why but Horneber going maybe up to max. measurments because the swedish rolling block and old Krag's made in the 1890s have oversized chambers whats not uncommon in this time.
the brass fits into the S&L chamber but is a little bit to tight to make fun in the sizing die so I turn them down on the lathe to the common 12,70mm base diameter.


danish 1928 made military brass




1960s Norma commercial brass




new Horneber




turned down



thats better



the CH4D sizing die



fire formed 8x56R PRVI brass



you can see how the case was blowing out



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      #282097 - 09/05/16 04:23 AM

for the archive
Simpson have two Stutzen for sale

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_info.php?products_id=9668


"8X58RD; 95% blue, good stock, 23'' barrel, Chamber has been dewatted via a weld. Reciever marked on left side 'RPL.T42 System Schultz & Larsen'. Bolt is numbered and not matching. 4 rear locking lugs on bolt. Bottom loading magazine. Interesting rifle., s/n 8xx "

we indentified it as SN 864, the chamber was welded once but is probably possible to open it again. nonetheless this rifle is on the gun market for some time now and well known.









http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_info.php?products_id=12728

"8 X 58R; 90% blue, good bore, good stock, 23.5'' barrel, Matching bolt. Scarce rifle here in the US. Metal needs a good cleaning. Bore should clean to at least Good condition., s/n 9xx "

we indentified it as SN 969










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      #282432 - 15/05/16 03:24 PM

a barreled action in 416 rigby for sale http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/schultz-larsen-pibe-samt-laas-m-56a-kal-416-rigby/i4272414/#











looks like it lay under a gunmaker's work bench for many years and will discourage many because it is only the basic for a project regardless you can get it for 270 euro whats proably the price for a .416 barrel blank today.
would like to see a master like Monsieur Dorlac making a classic african rifle with this.

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      #283778 - 12/06/16 04:08 PM

the fun is in the little difference

who ever had made it once one of the most horrible scope mounts I have ever seen on SN 1199.
http://www.hermann-historica-archiv.de/a...;db=kat57_s.txt







new at auction
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/riffel-schultz-larsen-rplt-42-i-kal-8-x-57/i4306343/#

SN 526 was changed into 8x57 IS, new barrel and magazine ( double row mauser style ?) altered probably by S&L in Otterub, stock looks like a homemade job.
so its what you call a sporter.











was seeing pics of the S&L M 70 rimfire rifle bolt http://www.tirmaillyforum.com/mildot/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=163636&start=15



much simpler but you can see the technical DNA





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      #284430 - 25/06/16 01:45 AM

had an invitation to denmark for a buck hunt with the S&L
and because the clocks going different there


I coming back as another person
I learned that vegetarianism is good for men, feminism is good for woman and you better burn your classic rifle because it will make the world a better place.
dont you believe it

I learned(again) that mental and physical fitness is not a question of age and that you never made it into the guard regiment without clean finger nails.

first some facts: roe and fallow deer are in the focus there. red deer is only on the Jutland peninsula where wild boar going north slowly from the german boarder. till now wild boar dont reach the danish islands but a hard winter seeing the baltic frozen could change this. the agriculture fear this like the devil fear holy water because of the large pig farms everywhere. if you having wild boars and pigs some bad day the swine fever will come what will be a real disaster.
by modern standards hare and pheasant are first class on the danish island, also partridge! maybe elg coming back to Jutland http://cphpost.dk/news/elk-return-to-denmark.html
the all time favorite classic 6,5x55 is today maybe the number 3 after 308 Win and 243 Win in use by danish hunter who go most times for roebuck and enjoy a classic small game hunt.

was invited for some days to hunt on roebuck and I came in a good society, here with a 12 ga Purdey and a 20 ga Alex Martin.


the collector love the unusual buck like this "tusker"














on the fist day we were seeing doe but then no more especially no bucks. it was allways cold and windy you were not believing we stand before the St. Johns day it feels like april.




so coming home without a buck but I am not disapointed, this is hunting





and I had the chance to meet avid hunters and collectors - in a word "gentleman" and so continued to fight against my unknowingness.
one highlight was the Model 38 I had in my hands




its bought by an american collector and waiting for export into the united states. the rifle hold 2 rounds in the magazine and 1 in the chamber and the magazin have the same style of follower like the model 42.

here a pic of another M 38 with a new made stock and barrel in 7x57R SN 371









another interesting gun was this 4 gauge pinfire by Francotte/Liege iirc, would be a good gun for a project because it seems easy to made another short 4 gauge pinfire rifle barrel. for sale for only 900 euro I will sleep abou it.



also this 20 -25 mm muzzle loader target rifle




the best steel shot can do



a farmer in the neighborhood had a 6,5x55 Mauser 98 stutzen by Schultz&larsen, iirc, build in 1949.
its the typical style of the early post war years you find also with the M 42 hunting rifles when they work off the war stock. nice rifle but the owner left handed buy a new gun with a lefty action and you can buy such things for 100 euro today.
9 of 10 have to be destroyed before they realize it was a classic.





















then we visit a collector of danisch krag rifles were I had the first time the opportunity to handle this action. was seeing that the magazine design of the M 38/M 42 based on the danish Krag magazine. nothing comes out of nothing and before the big bang there must have been someone who had pulled the trigger.









a pre war long range target/ sniper rifle in 8x58RD



the personal hunting rifles in 8x58RD and 6,5x58R Krag he build by himself at home






















the 6x5x58R is his favorit buck hunting rifle shooting hole in hole

got a dummy from him made by using old military brass



8x58RD, 6,5x58R Krag, 6,5x55, 308 Win and 243 Win

you see the neck was turned, maybe his chamber have very tight dimensions.

before seeing the trophy collection on Valdemar's castle we visit the honour game keeper on this important estate, a retired hunter who had there the chance to realize his thinkings about a good pheasant habitat.



they return over 9000 birds a year to the wild from the pheasantry and work for the best possible hunt.

a hunter that came around the world, unfortunately had a water -pipe burst in the house so the trophy's standing around



exceptional reindeer from greenland





after drinking a cup of tea with him


we got the




was a very nice day
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      #284518 - 26/06/16 07:53 AM

Wow! That was wonderful. Thanks for posting.

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      #284540 - 26/06/16 10:44 PM

Beautiful pictures, thanks for posting!!

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      #288226 - 23/09/16 05:02 AM

Stutzen SN 1010 will be in auction at the Dorotheum in Vienna in october

https://www.dorotheum.com/en/auctions/cu...155cab8cf2e9f22





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      #288272 - 24/09/16 03:07 AM


Thanks for sharing Lancaster. Was it Jørgen you visited?..Anyway we do have some good huntingland here in Dänemark. Ofcouse you had to bring a S&L rifle..:LOL
Which gunshops did you visit?.
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      #288278 - 24/09/16 05:04 AM

yes, was Jørgen
we were watching the time goes by and drink the so called "brown water".
was a very relaxed holiday and a little bit like waiting for the next bus into nirwana!

we visiting Arne Holgersen who had allways a nice stockpile of old guns and gun parts. he have also the 4 ga. pinfire fowler and I try every day to put this idea out of my mind.

it was a real pleasure to see the small game on Fyn. in other places it dont have any lobby anymore and like a hunter with passion for the small game was saying here " if they would care for the small game like they care about wolves now there will be something possible".
its all about agriculture and capitalism and there is no place for patridge, hare and pheasant anymore.its a little wonder they are not completly eradicted.


"Hope to meet you one day..Deutschland oder Dänemark. "

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      #288337 - 26/09/16 02:56 AM

Quote:



"Hope to meet you one day..Deutschland oder Dänemark. "

dont forget I'm not maked it into the Thorvaldsen Museum last time





Haven´t been there either. Maybe we ought to work something out..:-)


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      #290508 - 19/11/16 06:49 AM

a nice early post war stutzen in 8x57 for sale in denmark
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/schiltz-larsen-fuldskaeftet-jagtriffel/i4468266/#
SN 1388

































you see it have again the pre war M 38 magazine but another bolt stop that is a transition to the later version

M 38

M 65


the full stock without a butt plate is like the twin brother of the Mauser 98 in 6,5x55 I had in my hands in june









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      #290511 - 19/11/16 07:20 AM

you see only what you know

when I was back in june now in memory's http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=284422&Main=284422#Post284422 seeing a tupilac for sale with other artifacts from greeland
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/groenl...tetak/i4478675/









here again made from walrus tooth this spiritual beings are very mysterious in a way I dont know from any other ethno art

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      #294869 - 07/02/17 07:04 AM

Jørgen send me pics from his new aquisition a Model 38 SN 380 in 6,5x58R




he was behind this stutzen since 1977 so not only readyness is all but patience is also all for a hunter!







the 6,5x58R is a 8x58RD necked down in the 1930s to copy the 6,5x55 in the Krag action







the bolt have little differences against the later M 42












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      #295075 - 11/02/17 06:18 AM

evolution and constancy

the pre war M 38, the the M 42 and the post war nameless transition model







because it also an archive thread

pics of SN 933 http://www.lauritz.com/sv/auktion/rigspo...en-8/i1933829/#













SN 821 http://www.lauritz.com/sv/auktion/rigspo...en-8/i1933826/#













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      #295396 - 16/02/17 07:58 PM

thanks to the useless internet this rifle became no more known than ever before
live on forgotten weapons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klgfB78vUuM

see the idea of a danish handloader who was making the hard to find 8x58RD case by using 300 Win Mag brass what is a good idea also if it not was my own.
knowing I had a bag with 300 win mag brass in the basement somewhere start to looking for. was known to put this brass on a good place once where I can find it easily when in need. well I find such things like 5,6x52R brass but not this stuff. so a case from my case sample collection had to bit the bullet for a test.




belt turn down and 12,98mm case body tapered to 12,70 mm over the rim, anealed



full length resized




cut down and loaded with .310 bullet for functional testing




the inventor was writing he use this brass in a swedish rolling block and it works fine. in the schultz&larsen the cartridge was loaded and extracted without any problem. but ... original rim diameter is 14,8mm and this one have 13,4mm so the extractor grip the case but when reaching the ejector its just enough touch to lose it from the bolt. so the case laying in the receiver you have to turn the rifle to the left and it falls out.
meaning you dont have to look for your brass after.

the 300 Win mag case with its sharp shoulder is allways a challenge. when making a bigger lot I will start with a 11,15x60R and a 9,3x53R die before it get full resizing with the 8x58RD die.

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      #300435 - 18/05/17 04:18 AM

got funny pics from Langeland, the place I was also hunting last year and for a moment we will look into the brain of of a young roebuck...

"Well, I know its just a poor little bush but this damned stuff have to go now!"



"ah, thats much better and now I'm ready for the girls to come .... LADIES, LAAAAADIES"



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      #301175 - 02/06/17 04:57 PM

waiting for a special buck I find the meadow moved this morning for making hay.



roedeer was out but not MY buck





two higly protected crane familys were out for breakfast and because the hunter is the real and original conservationist ( the greens steal also our own colour to name themself)I had an eye open to protect the chicks.





we say here a fox can allways come and he came, first game take with the S&L.






this early summer foxes just losing the winter coat looking allways like tramps




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      #301178 - 02/06/17 06:23 PM

Nice rifle, good shot and beautiful spring landscape!
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      #301181 - 02/06/17 10:13 PM

Very nice, lovely landscape. I hear it is quite hot over there at the moment.

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Re: fox can allways come [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #301184 - 02/06/17 11:13 PM

yes, its hot and the mosquitos are huge this year, they are early and come in masses

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Re: fox can allways come [Re: lancaster]
      #301208 - 03/06/17 08:37 AM

Nice one Lancaster - just the right ticket for Mr fox, he'd have had a go at the chick for sure!

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Re: fox can allways come [Re: 93x64mm]
      #301259 - 03/06/17 07:00 PM

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Nice one Lancaster - just the right ticket for Mr fox, he'd have had a go at the chick for sure!





I am sure he would get a bloody nose when trying this in the open landscape. the cranes will fighting like devils for the chicken!
last spring I shoot a fox just 20 meter away from this place when he came along and stand before two adult cranes with an empty stomach and while he was thinking if there was a chance for him I take mine.
but yes, it would be interesting to see such a fight.

btw, the other side of the fox looks not so good with the 150 grains softpoint from the 8x58RD



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Nice rifle, good shot and beautiful spring landscape!
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believe it or not but 1000 meter over the hill is a six lane autobahn, europe can be very closely sometimes.

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Re: fox can allways come [Re: lancaster]
      #301286 - 04/06/17 02:49 AM

Thanks lancaster, that was really interesting.

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Pentecost buck [Re: Daryl_S]
      #301381 - 05/06/17 04:43 PM





long weekend, startet with a fox, ending with a buck

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Re: Pentecost buck [Re: lancaster]
      #301390 - 05/06/17 06:54 PM

You got him! Nice work, Lars!

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Re: fox can allways come [Re: Daryl_S]
      #301392 - 05/06/17 07:04 PM

Well done Lancaster. Enjoyed your fox story and photos. I love fox hunting. Winter is here now and a couple of nights ago hit -2 C. Perfect for fox hunting.

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Re: Pentecost buck [Re: lancaster]
      #301396 - 05/06/17 07:24 PM

Well done on the lovely roebuck as well. Brilliant beast and no doubt good eating. Unfortunately none of these in my hills, only enjoyable foxes.

Waidmannsheil. Good stuff.

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Re: Pentecost buck [Re: NitroX]
      #301405 - 05/06/17 09:41 PM

Waidmannsdank

its an old one being over his peak in live. the antlers going down now year after year until they will be only long thin spears so it was just the right moment to get him.

I am very satisfied with this trophy,it was the right one for bleeding the Schultz & Larsen rifle.

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Re: Pentecost buck [Re: lancaster]
      #301426 - 06/06/17 05:14 AM

Very nice buck in some lovely surroundings. Well done.

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Re: Pentecost buck [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #301434 - 06/06/17 06:10 AM

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Very nice buck in some lovely surroundings. Well done.

Waidmannsheil.



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Doesn't get better than this does it!
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Re: Pentecost buck [Re: 93x64mm]
      #303300 - 25/07/17 07:16 PM

the modern Schultz&Larsen rifle is not part of this thread but its maybe not out of interest that this model come out this year for magnum lenght cartridges

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUU5dP8Vghs

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #304290 - 20/08/17 03:03 AM

M 42 for sale, 270 euro is like giveaway





https://www.dba.dk/jagtriffel-schultzlarsen/id-1031981582/

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #305117 - 11/09/17 01:06 AM

pre war M 38 stutzen in 6,5x58R , SN 382
I think its for sale just now











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