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Schultz&Larsen Stutzen
      #239619 - 20/12/13 11:34 PM

a very charming Schultz&Larsen police carbine M 42 bought back by the maker after WW 2 and sporterized into a full stock hunting rifle
nice rifle in 8x58RD
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4721081












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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #239620 - 20/12/13 11:40 PM

Yes, very different and nice rifle.

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: Igorrock]
      #239769 - 26/12/13 05:05 AM

Interesting; you certainly don't see those every day

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #257583 - 07/12/14 04:43 AM

Bisgaard&Nielson have another Schultz&Larsen hunting rifle for sale
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5213370











very nice classic rifle and no interest with 100 euro starting bid just now.
its realy a temptation for me!
also having a claw mount

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #257744 - 12/12/14 07:54 AM

Oooh I really want the above! The Full stock woulda been better. How much did it go for?

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: Ash]
      #257777 - 12/12/14 11:49 PM


I think I our friend Lancaster got his rifle.

I know where there is a fullstocked(stutzen or Mannlicherstyle) is for sale. However its for a different kind of money.


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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: rigbymauser]
      #257779 - 13/12/14 12:26 AM

You'd be right, if the PM i got is correct

Congratulations, Lancaster! Get some pictures up and a fully explanation of how the rifle works when you get it!

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: Ash]
      #257780 - 13/12/14 12:41 AM

I am sorry but you better be patient
bad moment for geting import papers now because the police is not known for speed. doubt they will make paperwork before christmas and than come christmas holidays and then comes new years holidays...

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #257781 - 13/12/14 12:47 AM

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I am sorry but you better be patient
bad moment for geting import papers now because the police is not known for speed. doubt they will make paperwork before christmas and than come christmas holidays and then comes new years holidays...




I know the pain..Here for every firearm we want (including BB guns!) we must pay $35 for a "Permit to Acquire"..then send it out and wait 2 weeks - many months for it to come back. When it does we can go get our new toy. OH and for each centerfire rifle we need a "Genuine reason" to own it..

Fine..I'll be patient! >.< Really want to know how these things work! Looks a treat. I'm sure you'll be coming back to this thread lots to keep relooking at the pictures whilst waiting for it all to arrive

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: Ash]
      #260448 - 13/02/15 09:32 PM

so here it is, was a long time


think I will freshen up the stock

had seen a lot of use



the rear looking bolt with the very strong receiver was ahead of its time, whats common today with CNC machining was then good old craftmansship. the three position wing safety works exactly like a mauser safety.





the spring loaded magazin cover moving the follower in when open







first rifle I know a Suhler Einhakmontage claw mount is not made in germany/austria. think it was made by S&L when the rifle was sporterized after the war. the claw mount parts looking a little bit different - speaking danish with heavy german accent.




scandinavian trio, swedisch mauser, danish S&L, finnish mosin





for a quartet I would need a norwegian Kongsberg M 48 or M 51 Krag but they are rare


http://www.kvf.no/vaapen.php?type=Rifle&weaponid=RIF0109










http://www.kvf.no/vaapen.php?type=Rifle&weaponid=RIF0110
















my cock on closing bolt action number three, swedisch mauser, schultz&larsen, hungarian G 98/40



the four rounds magazine+one in the chamber reminds me on the old mosin that use a similar rimmed cartridge. difference is you can not load the S&L magazine from the top.



you fill the magazin by open the cover and let fall 4 rounds into it



for open the magazine cover you have to press the spring loaded button on the right side







when I had the rifle in my hands first time the bolt falls out of the receiver and I was looking for th bolt stop. was not sure about this because it dont move in the beginning and its sometimes wise if you dont use brutal force.



than the lever move and it is indeed the bolt stop




looks like S&L makes usally full and half stocks sporter


here is a full stock for sale in canada

http://psmilitaria.50megs.com/guns.html


and this is the same model I have


http://danskgevaer.com/wp/?cat=5



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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #260574 - 16/02/15 08:46 PM

if you go a little bit into details learn the S&L M 42 standing no alone
when base on a target rifle action it sah the sun first as hunting Stutzen M 38 with a 3 rounds magazine closed with the teutonic lever and the teutonic double set trigger. Schultz&Larsen had a strong german connection when they bought surplus gunmaker machines from germany after 1918 also making submachine guns and machine guns for german customers in the 1920s when it was forbidden in germany.

I found the pics here on the site of the Schultz&Larsen Collectors Club which preserves the history of this firm. http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/

a M 38 in 8x58RD and another M 38 in 6,5x58R



the M 38 and the M 42 in the original police carbine version



http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/index_htm_files/R.P.L.T42.pdf
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/index_htm_files/Politikarabinen_M1942%20%282%29.pdf

the 6,5x58R is a 8x58R necked down to 6,5mm called 6,5mm M (19)28, first time I see a hunting rifle with this chamber.
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2042.htm

after the war Schultz&Larsen were rebuild the M 42 in hunting rifles, two models with full and half stock. than the action was modified from time to time up the to the end of the 1970s.

http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2054j.htm
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2056a.htm
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2060.htm
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2065-65dl.htm
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2065x.htm
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2068dl.htm
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2077.htm
http://www.schultz-larsenrifleclub.dk/model%2080.htm

the action once ahead of its time came to an end with the demand for take down rifles where the locking lugs are better in front of the bolt like in the actual S&L Model 97 http://www.schultzlarsen.com/m97dl.htm

would like to see the old model in 458 Winchester mag



M 65, the typical four rear locking lugs are good to see










http://www.lauritz.com/en/auction/schultz-larsen-otterup-model-m65-calibre-6-5x57/i3168294/

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #260652 - 18/02/15 08:45 AM

I had an M65 in 7x61 Sharpe and Hart. Loved the rifle. I was luke warm on the caliber at the time and let it go. Would love to find another, even if in something as bland as 30-06. It's a marvelous action. Very smooth. Very strong.

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: Norman4]
      #261177 - 25/02/15 10:24 PM

Fantastic rifle, Lancaster! Thanks for the more detailed pics. You got this so cheap

Do you have to be careful loading to prevent rim lock when you drop them in?

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: Ash]
      #265162 - 18/05/15 02:29 PM

another half stock rifle for sale, SN looks like 1032













starting bid at 375 euro http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5456830

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #265204 - 19/05/15 02:31 PM

finally my M 42 is now on the way to the proof house in Suhl. ch4d had the die set on stock and send it very quick to me but for legally shoot the rifle here it have to be proofed. for obsolete ammo you have to give the proof house 4 factory rounds and then they load the proof cartridges.
8x58RD is hard to find and I was happy in the end to get some cases and bullets. dont know what happen once but most 8x58RD ammo looks like it was dumped into the sea for decades





clean it, aneal it and set new 5,5mm RWS berdan primer( the hardest to get out primer ever, was like soft soldered into the case)

hope they take brass made in 1928




my idea is to use 8x56R brass but this is nothing they accept in Suhl for the proof




you see a 8x56R case loaded with the die set( it get a little step by the die here but can be loaded also without in the chamber) and danish military brass with a softpoint and the original spitzer bullet.




its not easy to find trusted data about the 8x58RD so I was very happy to get this drawing made by the danish army arsenal.



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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: rigbymauser]
      #271449 - 07/10/15 05:05 AM

today I had the pleasure of a visit by Jørgen from the Schultz&larsen Collector Club in Denmark. He came acroos my home on a hunting trip an had two other S&L rifles in the car so I make pics.
It was a M 65 in 243 Win. and M 68 in 308 Win., two models that have only minor differences.

Jørgen had the opinion that this models have the best quality at all and its very clear that my wartime made M 42 could not have the same level of quality. actually the action of the M 65 and M 68 working very smooooooth


here side by side with my M 42 that came back from the proof house in Suhl last week.
of course it stand the proof




it have a different bolt sleeve and safety but in the end its the same action. the receiver and the bolt ~ 15 mm longer than the one of the orignal M 42 action probably to deal with cartridges long like the 30 06.






while the M 42 cock on closing the later models cock on opening like most other bolt actions





M 68





M 65






the double row mauser style magazine of the later models against the M 42 single row magazine for rimmed cartridges










pics from sweden in the 1980s when a "triplette" was shoot with this M 68
bull moose, cow moose and calf












got some 8x58 RD cartridges, collector stuff like this original Norma cartridges and handloads with Norma and danish military cases





left to right
my own handload with the 200 grains 8mm S prvi bullet in 1929 made military brass
unknown 12,7 gramm spitzer softpoint in military brass
unknown 10 gramm softpoint in Norma brass
original danish 8x58 RD military fmj
copy of the Norma factory load with the 12,7 gramm Norma softpoint bullet in danish military brass
Norma factory round







not complete 8mm family
8x57IRS 8x58RD fmj and softpoint 8x57IS


8x57R 360, 8x58R S&S, 8x50R Mannlicher, 8x56R Kropatschek, 8x50R Lebel, 8x56R M 30, 8x56 MS, 8x60 S, 8mm MYSTERY, 8x64 Brennecke (not in the best shape but orignal pre war), 8x75RS


8mm Mystery?
just find out now I have an unknown cartridge, something I thought before its a 8x64 Brennecke
it isnt!
the case having the DWM Karlsruhe 474C headstamp
474C is the case number for the 9,3x62 but this is a 8mm cartridge





side by side with a 9,3x62 case





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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #271674 - 14/10/15 05:56 AM

the rifle SN 903 ( I have SN 945) was in auction last weekend in denmark
http://www.lauritz.com/en/auction/dansk-politikarabin-model-1942-kaliber-8x58rd/i4003765/#
it show some difference in checkering if compare with my own rifle so Schultz&larsen maybe make a customization.











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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #272602 - 04/11/15 06:47 AM

Jørgen from denmark send my pics of an accident happen last week. the owner of some kind of prototype rifle SN 1403 and made probably 1945/46 as a missing link between the Mod. 42 and the later Mod. 54 J was able to destroy his rifle by "hammer" a 6,5x55 Norma 9,1 gramm Match cartridge into the chamber when there was an unknown problem while reloading it from the magazine. I dont know if he was hurt but the rare rifle got theirs part



















what ever he did, it was not a good idea


the barrel is marked with 6,5R, maybe startet as a 6,5x58R barrel once and that rechambered for the 6,5x55.
the 6,5x58R was some kind of a wildcat cartride made by necking down the 8x58RD.





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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #276141 - 05/01/16 10:17 PM

two interesting early Schultz&Larsen rifle's for sale

this 8x60S http://huntershouse.dk/kat408-Rifler/side1965-Schultz-Larsen-M-54.html have allways the teutonic magazine lever of the pre war M 38 and also the early post war prototyp that was destroyed, see the pics above



I think this must be another one of the transition rifles between the M 42 and the M 54.


here is a Model 56 A in 416 Rigby http://huntershouse.dk/kat408-Rifler/side569-Schultz-Larsen-model-56A.html


you wonder why they dont give it iron sights for a dangerous game rifle. the 416 rigby was allways rare chambered before the 1990s when it became realy popular.

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #276203 - 07/01/16 12:51 AM

striking similarity between the M 42 and this two early S&L Mauser rifles, its like they were made together







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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #276226 - 07/01/16 10:24 AM

Thanks for posting Lancaster. very informative and interesting. Would like a S&L in 416 Rigby, hell in any calibre.

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: Rule303]
      #276422 - 11/01/16 09:59 AM


Thanks for sharing Lancaster. To find a Stutzen in 6,5x58R would be a peach. I have 1 or two original 6,5x58R cartridges. They are very very very rare.


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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: rigbymauser]
      #276438 - 11/01/16 11:44 PM

this is a very hard to find collector cartridge, dont have it in my box

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
      #276445 - 12/01/16 02:32 AM

http://dutchman.rebooty.com/GB8x58RD.html

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Re: Schultz&Larsen Stutzen [Re: rigbymauser]
      #277136 - 26/01/16 03:39 AM

the M 42 world is a very small one
there is one of the few rifles in auction just now that was not sporterized by S&L after the war. SN is 1017 but the bolt was mixed up sometimes and have the SN 944.
my own sporter have the SN 945





http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/dansk-...al-8/i4132319/#
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