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mckinney
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Firearms photography
      #237641 - 09/11/13 08:27 PM

Anyone out there willing to share some secrets on firearms photography? (CptCurl Dorleac, etc?) I'd like to improve the photography of my own collection and am trying to get a result something like what you see on Morris Hallowell's website. At this point my knowledge is limited so I don't even know for instance how to show only the gun in a photo with nothing in the background. I also struggle photographing anything nickel plated. (I understand a 'light box' may be the cure for this one.)

I'd be grateful for any comments.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: mckinney]
      #237642 - 09/11/13 08:37 PM


If you haven't got a professional set up, this is the way I do it.

Firstly, plan what you are wanting to do ahead of doing it
so when conditions are right, it flows smoothly.

I pick a day outside when it is very bright but cloudy.
This give a good light but no light point source (like the sun) which gives you that bright spot.

You need to also account for where you live, angle of the sun etc. You can still get some shadow areas which aren't good but these can be minimised. Play around with a gun outside.

Use a Bipod ! This is important.

I lay out a blanket or something, felt, towel or whatever
on the ground.

It is worth having some small things to keep a gun in position, ie
Small piece of wooden dowling, 1/2 inch or so to go through the trigger guard.
- Small piece of clear perspex for the same as above.
- Box of matches for under the double barrels (they tend to be small enough to use without having to edit them in Photoshop.
- Square or rectangular blocks of perspex also work.

That's all I can think of at the moment.

Of course, with digital cameras, you can play around, practice taking photos and see straight away whether
it is good or not.

Good luck.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: 500Nitro]
      #237652 - 10/11/13 04:19 AM

Good stuff Nige ,now you have no excuses for posting pics!

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: gryphon]
      #237655 - 10/11/13 04:59 AM

Thanks, but how do I get background material (towel, sheet, etc.) out of the photo and show only the gun? And how can I photograph a rifle as though it is lying flat suspended in space? (again, thinking of the images at Hallowell and Co., Julia auctions, etc. as a benchmark). Perhaps I need a professional setup?

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: mckinney]
      #237664 - 10/11/13 12:18 PM


Gryph

I can now post photos.

I'll try and upload a few.


McKinney
let me go and look at Julia and Hallowell.
Back soon.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: 500Nitro]
      #237666 - 10/11/13 12:23 PM

McKinney

Every single one of the Hallowell guns is photographed against a Green Felt Backdrop.

Re "suspended", i would say they are resting on some stand, like two pieces of perspex rod that is hidden behind
the guns.

This "raises" the gun off the green felt and therefore the green background is slightly out of focus and the gun in very sharp focus.


Remember, these guys have so many guns going through that they probably have a little set up that is permanent and it just requires dropping the gun onto the set, bang, snap photos and download. The lighting is all done.

One thing with gun photography, you only get better with practice.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: 500Nitro]
      #237667 - 10/11/13 12:33 PM

All of the guns pictured in Winfer's books, or at least those taken by Tom Rowe, were taken with the rifle barrel slipped over a pin in a stand with the rifle muzzle down with a white backdrop.
When using a backdrop, make sure your gun is about a foot from the background to mitigate shadowing on the background.
The white background is the easiest to work with for use in books.

There is cheap software available to enable you to take the pictures with a green screen background so you can add whatever background you would like as well.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: Huvius]
      #237669 - 10/11/13 12:58 PM


Huvious

That is a good point re the barrels.

Stuffing a piece of dowling down the barrels to hold it up
is a good one and can easily be removed in Photoshop without
knowing a whole amount about it.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: 500Nitro]
      #237674 - 10/11/13 03:17 PM

Quote:


Huvious

That is a good point re the barrels.

Stuffing a piece of dowling down the barrels to hold it up
is a good one and can easily be removed in Photoshop without
knowing a whole amount about it.




Yes, when Tom photographed my rooks and my Fraser, he had a white teflon or delrin spacer, like a 1" thick washer, which the muzzle rested on.
He had a variety of dowels sized for different bore diameters so the rifles stayed pretty much vertical.

The white spacer blended in with the white background so after photoshoping, was quite invisible.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: Huvius]
      #238333 - 27/11/13 03:37 PM

For traveling,




For Home,

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Michael_Petrov
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Re: Firearms photography [Re: Michael_Petrov]
      #238334 - 27/11/13 03:42 PM





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Re: Firearms photography [Re: Michael_Petrov]
      #238335 - 27/11/13 04:13 PM

Wonderful work Michael!

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500Nitro
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Re: Firearms photography [Re: AkMike]
      #238336 - 27/11/13 04:16 PM


Michael

Awesome, top stuff.


What camera are you using ?

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: 500Nitro]
      #238347 - 28/11/13 04:38 AM

Quote:

Michael, What camera are you using ?



A Nikon D70s which is a digital camera.

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500Nitro
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Re: Firearms photography [Re: Michael_Petrov]
      #238349 - 28/11/13 05:13 AM


Awesome.

I used to sell Digital Cameras when the Kodak DC460 came out,
was at the forefront of technology !!!

Edited by 500Nitro (28/11/13 07:11 AM)

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Michael_Petrov
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Re: Firearms photography [Re: 500Nitro]
      #238352 - 28/11/13 06:07 AM

Now it's obsolete and you can get them off eBay for 10% of what I paid for mine. The 60mm Nikon lens is a different story and that was the reason I went this way, keep the lens and get a new body.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: Michael_Petrov]
      #238355 - 28/11/13 07:15 AM


I just edited my post, it should have said DCS460 !!!

$40,000 each !

Interesting what you say about "obsolete".

I look at things differently. A camera you bought 3 years ago
may not be "current" technology but is very likely to still
be able to do it's job, what it was designed, built and
purchased for and therefore, IMHO, something isn't obsolete until it really can't do the above.

Just because something comes along that is better.

We still use MS, M98, Lever action rifles, Doubles etc
even though the semi auto and Machine gun is available.
Does that make the MS, M98 etc obsolete ?

What about the SxS Shotgun ?

Anyway, again, great photos.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: 500Nitro]
      #238358 - 28/11/13 08:14 AM


Was testing before I try to upload a gun photo.



Edited by 500Nitro (28/11/13 08:15 AM)

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mckinney
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Re: Firearms photography [Re: Michael_Petrov]
      #238371 - 28/11/13 06:19 PM

Michael, great stuff. This is what I have been looking for. Can you share with us a description of the other equipment, lighting etc. (I know nothing about photography).

many thanks

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: mckinney]
      #238386 - 29/11/13 06:00 AM

Awesome stuff! Been looking for this for a while - thank you!

Any ideas o/ diagrams on lighting angles would be awesome

Thanks!

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: Orvar]
      #238387 - 29/11/13 06:25 AM

Lets start with the tripod that I converted to hold the steel rods of different caliber with a nylon bumper to protect the crown. I wanted the rifle or pistol to be at eye level when taking the pictures.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: Michael_Petrov]
      #238388 - 29/11/13 06:33 AM

Are you fabricating the rods or buying them?

Also, are you coating the guns with anything to get the shine right?

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: Michael_Petrov]
      #238389 - 29/11/13 06:43 AM

The reflectors I had made at a sheet metal shop, they are 48" tall by 36" rolled into a half circle. I then painted the inside flat white and attached three legs.

The lights (two in each reflector) are ECA 250-watt 3200k photoflood lamps easily found. Both sides are on a rheostat so I can start them slow and adjust the amount of light. The top lights have a light defuser on them. No other light source is used and the room lights are turned off.

The white background behind the rifle is a window shade that I can pull down and I have a white sheet on the ceiling to help defused the light.

The camera is always on a tripod and each picture is taken with the timer, I never touch the camera, or move around when the picture is taken.

Background color is done with Photoshop.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: Orvar]
      #238390 - 29/11/13 06:46 AM

Quote:

Are you fabricating the rods or buying them?

Also, are you coating the guns with anything to get the shine right?



I made the rods from drill rod and scrap in my shop.

I wipe down the guns so no fingerprints show and if the wood is dry I use what I always use and that's raw linseed oil.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: Michael_Petrov]
      #238476 - 01/12/13 06:00 AM

I used an old Fuji digital camera and set up some items I wanted in the photo, played with lighting in the house (window shades open in various degrees, etc) and shot some cool pics of some of my guns. It was fun, just play around with it.

Here's my 416 Rigby




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Re: Firearms photography [Re: 416rigby]
      #238477 - 01/12/13 06:05 AM

Here are a couple more. Use your imagination and put items in that are special to you or to the gun's history.

Rick

My wife's .270 Featherweight M-70.


.475 Linebaugh


Win M-12 16ga


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Re: Firearms photography [Re: 416rigby]
      #238508 - 02/12/13 03:42 AM

Those photos look good.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: NitroX]
      #238579 - 03/12/13 03:31 AM

Yes they do. I especially like the Winchester Model 12 photo. Something about them - they don't really look out of place in any company and the field grade is more pleasing to my eye than the fancier versions.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: 416rigby]
      #239336 - 16/12/13 04:00 AM

Here some of mine. The idea to put rifles "upside down" is great, i have to try.
Camera is an Canon EOS 650, i am using three extern flash units.
No photoshop work or something like this.









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Edited by chapmen (16/12/13 04:10 AM)

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: chapmen]
      #239349 - 16/12/13 08:30 AM

Nice!

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: Orvar]
      #239354 - 16/12/13 12:05 PM


Chapmen

I do like the way you have removed all of the shadows.

Nicely done.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: 500Nitro]
      #239364 - 16/12/13 07:14 PM

some nice photos there

greenshoots

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: greenshoots]
      #239392 - 17/12/13 05:34 AM

Here two more, not made by me but the rifle is mine. I wrote an article about the rilfe for the german gun mag "Visier", pics where taken by an professional photographer who almost makes all pics for the magazine. I have learned much from him.....





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Re: Firearms photography [Re: chapmen]
      #239395 - 17/12/13 06:00 AM


chapmen

They are good photos in terms of quality BUT IMHO, they are too cluttered and detract from the rifle even though I understand why he has used the items mentioned (age).


The rifle, a few cartridges, oil bottle I can understand
but the telephone, light and telex don't add to the photo
and distract the eyes.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: 500Nitro]
      #239397 - 17/12/13 06:53 AM

If I´m correct, is the mauser in pictures very rare single-shot Wehrmanns-Scheiben Büsche i.e. Serviceman`s Target Rifle....?

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: 500Nitro]
      #239431 - 17/12/13 09:40 PM

Quote:


chapmen

They are good photos in terms of quality BUT IMHO, they are too cluttered and detract from the rifle even though I understand why he has used the items mentioned (age).


The rifle, a few cartridges, oil bottle I can understand
but the telephone, light and telex don't add to the photo
and distract the eyes.





The items are from same time like the rifle. Remember that this are pics to illustrade an article, in the article there are also pics without deco pieces. These two pics used as opener.

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: chapmen]
      #239432 - 17/12/13 09:48 PM


Chapman

No worries.

I have actually used a telephone like that one,
I think they are made out of Bakerlite.

God I must be getting old !!! LOL

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Re: Firearms photography [Re: Igorrock]
      #239433 - 17/12/13 09:49 PM

Quote:

If I´m correct, is the mauser in pictures very rare single-shot Wehrmanns-Scheiben Büsche i.e. Serviceman`s Target Rifle....?



Yes it is. More pics:

http://www.jagdwaffensammler.de/mauser-wehrmannsgewehr.html

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