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      #218029 - 16/10/12 05:48 AM

to let the cat out of the bag ...
I bought a rifle

this time a Mas 36 in 10,75x68, here are the pics from the e-auction

























serial number is 1940 but I am not sure that 1940 rifles at least were ever made in 10,75x68. this hunting rifle was also made in 8x60S and a 7mm wildcat so its possible that most of the 1940 were smallbore's.
maybe not the best rifle but it was offered and I dont know if seeing a better again.
you may notice that the rifle have some small problem's: small chip on the forearm, the buttstock was made new some time possible because the old one was brocken, colour of the buttstock is not right and need a checkering, the rifle miss the safety lever

the safety lever was the biggest thing in my eye's but I learned that this part is available because its used in the FR F1 sniper rifle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FR_F1






some work for the next year

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #218031 - 16/10/12 06:16 AM

Very nice find ! Those stock parts are IMO the easiest part to renovate or even change if needed. In my eyes your rifle need new bluing too.

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Re: french connection [Re: Igorrock]
      #218046 - 16/10/12 11:34 AM

I would love to find one in Australia but i have never seen one. I am sure you will get much joy from it.

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Re: french connection [Re: Viking338]
      #218058 - 16/10/12 06:35 PM

Different concept. Never seen one of those. Interesting.

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Re: french connection [Re: Sville]
      #218079 - 17/10/12 04:00 AM

Quote:

Different concept. Never seen one of those. Interesting.




Certainly is strange, along with the rear-locking bolt. Nice to see two lugs, though.

The bore might clean up nicely with some scrubbing.

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Re: french connection [Re: Sville]
      #218083 - 17/10/12 05:31 AM

Quote:

Different concept. Never seen one of those. Interesting.




WHAT? I am working hard here and you dont notice this
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=107184&an=0&page=0#Post107184

yes, think I will get everything back to the old glory but saying "glory" well this is a working gun as it can be. the woodwork would be the easiest part, new rust blueing of course and a little luck to find a safety lever.
and we will study the rifle together...





vive la 10,75x68



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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #218174 - 19/10/12 08:53 AM

there are four pictures of mine in lancaster other thread in post #11.
got it off gunbroker 4 or 5 years ago.

check under the forearm, it will have the year it was built on the barrel shank and possibly a spare front sight insert

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Re: french connection [Re: dirtyjim]
      #218206 - 20/10/12 05:04 AM

you have a very nice one



wish mine come close to this when I am ready. bad news is that the seller told me his local bureaucracy would need up to 3 month's for the export licence so I would not get the rifle into my hands before 2013.
dirtyjim, could you make pics from everything you find on the rifle? which year was your rifle made?
and one question that interest me the most: do you shoot your rifle and have the feeling the muzzle brack actually works?

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #218212 - 20/10/12 07:58 AM

i put quite a few rounds through it and i think the brake works quite well. it weighs right at 8 pounds and as long as your not on a bench recoil is very mild for a big bore without a pad.
here are a few more pics, if there is any specific parts you would like pictures of let me know & i'll take them.
i think you'll realy like the rifle once you get it. they stand out.

barrel date


caliber markings on top of barrel and closeup of the rear sight


inside of forearm and spare front sight insert. it comes with both a bead and a sourdough


closeup of the brade/front sight


closeup of the receiver markings




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Re: french connection [Re: dirtyjim]
      #218219 - 20/10/12 02:54 PM

thank you very much, where are the proof marks on the rifle?

your rile is No.1866 made in 1950 that dated mine with No. 1940 at least behind this. we will see when it was made and this will give us a little impression about the amount of production.

this was the first rifle I have seen



an american soldier bought this in Vietnam from an old french master. looks like there is no serial number.


this 8x60Magunm looks like No.692 supporting my theory that all rifles in 3 different caliber forming a series



this 7x54 have no serial number in the left side




I believe that most of the 10,75 Mas are still in the hand of french ex colonial's in africa. one guy on gunboards told he have meet a french in 2006 in Ivory coast who had two of them.

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #218225 - 20/10/12 09:51 PM

We loose our colonies there are 50 years ! In the last years i have never seen in West-Africa a 10,75x68 MAS but few Mauser hunting rifles caliber 10,75x68 . The local hunters in Burkina Faso know this cartridge , but the problem is to get ammunition in this countries .

May note in passing , Ivory Coast is today a very bad place for the white people .

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Re: french connection [Re: grandveneur]
      #218229 - 21/10/12 04:45 AM

yes I know what you mean grandveneur, its a question of age sometimes. but I see it a little bit more generously so for example every french in Burkina Faso is an ex colonial( in fact he is). he is more special than other strangers and is in a community with his fellow countryman and deal with them.

thats what moblotaire wrote
"When I was deployed in Ivory Coast (2006) I met a french citizen living in the Northern part of the country. He had two such rifles. Yet it was impossible for him to cross the "border" between the North and South (a kind of civil war was taking place at that time) with a weapon. And if ever I had been able to buy one (or the two of them) , customs paperwork would have been a nightmare. Corruption in the country and french paperwork "red tape

No I didn't take any picture of the rifles.
At that time I was deployed in Abidjan (capital city near the sea) and the guy was just passing by at the French camp."

in the end the 10,75mm Mas is very rare

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #222271 - 23/12/12 11:57 PM

if you believe in coincidense the 8x60S Mas 36 No .682 was coming back in an auction and thanks to Igorrock I was able to get into my hands. its a so called "Deko" wallhanger that was drilled and welded in 2009 for whatever reasons. good for me because I will butcher it to get another orignal stock and the missing safety lever for my old 10,75x68. still waiting for the french export licence





the missing part


the cut down bolt with a 8x60 stamp



drilled and welded






No 682 made in 1947



8x60 Magnum on the barrel allmost vanished under the thick black coating



the action is surprisingly small and you dont believe that the 10,75x68 will fit into but it does very well


side by side with a M 98 in 10,75x57 you maybe get an imagination how handy the rifle is because its so small in thickness



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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #222273 - 24/12/12 12:42 AM

I am impressed that you like this rifles ! LA NATION VOUS EST RECONNAISSANTE ! I had one by the military basic training . I prefer the US M 14 !

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      #222276 - 24/12/12 01:00 AM

yes, like it very much
its my mission to find the rare things! only a Mannlicher Schönauer M 1910 and I have all bolt action I was looking for


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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #222312 - 25/12/12 12:30 AM

Problem with M-36's (military ones at least, not sure of these sporters) when I was using them was reloading from the shoulder, just about punch yourself in the nose each time cycling the bolt! French must have been shorties back then =D

Nice rifles guys, M-36 in 10.75x68 is on my want list..

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      #238222 - 23/11/13 03:22 AM

now rechambered to 284 Winchester this was once a 7x57 mauser and like the version in 7x54 Mas its without a muzzle brake


















http://www.naturabuy.fr/1-Fusil-284-w-ba...em-1345451.html

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #238227 - 23/11/13 05:20 AM

Nice rifle. Do you have any idea which kind of scope mounts they used to have on these MAS rifles ?

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      #238250 - 23/11/13 07:15 PM

there is one of this typical post war military side mounts, clumsy and rugged

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #239003 - 09/12/13 07:00 AM

now when the 2013 ends it comes clear that this deal never happen. while waiting for the export licence I lost contact to the seller.
meanwhile I have solve the question which ammo the rifle was made for. what we know is that the 10,75 Mas was build in 1950 probably earlier. the only ammo brand available in theory was than kynoch but I dont now when kynoch start to make this caliber again after ww2. one source says big bore ammo was rare many years after WW 2 at least outside of the empire. DWM and RWS ammo was not available before 1955 but nobody expected to see german made ammo ever again in 1950! so there was also czechoslowak made ammo but Sellier&Bellot and Považská Bystrica by Sellier&Bellot told me this caliber was available from 1957 to 1965. I dont have informations about Považská Bystrica only the ammo box come up from time to time.


post war DWM


RWS, Kynoch and Sellier&Bellot



Považská Bystrica


than I found a pic of a french ammo box, 10,75x68 on Mauser 98 clips




dont know who L.D.&Cie was, the box could be post WW2
looks clearly like a gunmaker box but you can see "chargees en france" what I would translate as loaded in france.
very possible the ammo there is in fact this:








this ammo was made after WW 2 in the french military arsenal in Toulouse. its an old trace for me because I found this before in a french cartridge collector manual







a experimental anti tank cartrige for a cone bore rifle after Gerlich made between 1950 and 1952. obviously someone in this arsenal use his postion for leting made a lot of 10,75x68 sporting ammunition, maybe a fanatical big game hunter




no doubt that this was the ammo this special rifle was build for.

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #239017 - 09/12/13 03:30 PM

Quote:

now when the 2013 ends it comes clear that this deal never happen. while waiting for the export licence I lost contact to the seller.


That´s a pity! Maybe you have to buy one military version and build your own using parts from yours deko-rifle....

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Re: french connection [Re: Igorrock]
      #239019 - 09/12/13 04:01 PM

dont laugh, readyness is all

the deactivated 8x60S is now in reserve and I have ordered the missing bolt parts. a lothar walther .404 blank ( walther dont make 10,75x68 barrel blanks anymore and the proof house accept the 404 jeffery barrel)stand on the work bench of my gunmaker. the only realy difference would be the rear sight but the rest will be more or less the same. problem for me is to change the caliber designation on the receiver.



steal is very thin there and to grind it out will not look good in the end.
so "8x60" have to be filled somehow and 10,75x68 can be engraved than. this are the kind of problem I have to deal with.

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      #239021 - 09/12/13 06:53 PM

Just make a correct size sign from 1 mm steel sheet and silver solder it to the place. If you are very carefull and round it´s bevels and edges right, nobody but youself will notice it.

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Re: french connection [Re: Igorrock]
      #239047 - 10/12/13 03:28 AM

thank god this would be my biggest problem
the 10,75 is a very natural conversion to this rifle.you can see on the pics how well the 10.75x68 fits into the original magazine.


side by side with a mauser 98 clip










the 10,75 was made by six ammo firm's in four country's in the 1950s. it was the real workhorse and I dont think another bigbore cartridge had have such a wide distribution in this time.

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #239209 - 13/12/13 06:37 AM

another ex 7x54 or 7x57 rechambering to 284 win
its the rifle No.837, notice the original caliber detail on the rifle was carefully changed to 284 Win. the other mas in 284 Win I have linked above with the number 157 still have the "7x57" on the left side of the magazin.

















http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAS-36-FOURNIER-CAL-284W-item-1618117.html

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      #240511 - 12/01/14 09:36 PM

again a Mas 36 made in 7x57 now a 284 Win
serial number 295 http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAS-Sterna-item-1673091.html
dont know what "Sterna" means, see it the first time probably the gunmaker who rechamber the rifle.











will try to investigate the year this rifle was build. its possible that all 7x57 mauser sporting rifles were made for the colony's were the gun law forbidding military cartridges for sporting rifles were not in use. when bring this rifles back someone change them to the similar but civilian .284 Winchester.

a nice box of the suspected 10,75x68 for sale but for 90 euro's no bargain









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      #240551 - 13/01/14 03:25 PM

Larcher asking the seller of the last rifle here for the year under the barrel and it is "Mas 1951"
with No.682 made in 1947 and No. 1866 made in 1950 the No.295 made in 1951 dont realy help to come closer to the question when No. 1 was made.
obviously they use an old action in stock or rebarrel sometimes this riffle so it dont help me anything.

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      #241298 - 27/01/14 05:47 PM

another pic with a Mas 36 sporter come to surface
now in cambodia
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=241296&page=0&vc=1#Post241296

with a Kouprey two raritys side by side. it looks like there is the typical muzzle brake on the rifle but's not clear enough.

a 10,75x68 seems logical



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      #241369 - 28/01/14 06:38 PM

and here the is muzzle brake very clear to see



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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #241653 - 03/02/14 08:55 PM

pics of a 10,75x68 I found by accident
the rifle was sold in france in 7/2011, serial number is 430
the lowest number I have seen



















this 10,75 have the number 1303, sold in 4/2012





















another rifle sold in france in 10/2012, serial number is 1465

















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      #242579 - 17/02/14 09:49 PM

8x60S No. 136 , "1947" under the barrel





http://www.tircollection.com/t2152-mas-fournier-1075x68

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #242813 - 21/02/14 01:38 AM

many thanks to larcher who help me to aquire the ATE ammo box
I WILL NOT FORGET THIS

so now I can answer the question I had when seeing this rifle the first time in my life: what ammo was it made for?

the 10,75 ATE on Mas 36 clip



headstamp is ATE 10,75x68


when open the box I had the biggest surprise, what was looking as full metall jacket on pics is in fact a hollow point bullet



ATE hollow point, DWM flat point and Kynoch round nose



20 years ago now I talked with the ex chief-ballistician of the Spreewerke Lübben, an east german cold war military ammo arsenal making mainly 7,62x39. He told me they had to made some lots of 7,62 hunting ammo in the 80s but with their highly specialised tools and machines it was not possible to made softpoint bullets. they could make full metall jackets of all kinds with this but softpoints were not possible. so they did the same like MWK another east german arsenal when making 8x57 IS/IRS hunting ammo. they close the jacket over the bullet base much as possible and turn the tip of the jacket on a lathe. something that work very well with the machinery. so I understand the remarkable bullet design of this softpoints.
ATE was a similar military arsenal and had probably the same problem when making the 10,75x68. they could not make softpoint bullets but full metall jackets and hollow points by drilling the FMJ.
looks suitable for big cats what was maybe the biggest problem for game and forrest departments after the long years of WW 2 when the big cats could breed in peace.

10,75 ATE hollow point and MWK 8x57IS soft point
notice the cut of jacket of the 8x57


think I need now a box of DWM, RWS, S&B and PS also
damned collecting, you will never finish

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #252749 - 27/08/14 01:16 AM

French Congo in 1951




the woman and the man on the right side have the Mas rifle in 10,75





must be brand new than





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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #252780 - 27/08/14 02:33 PM

I just have to ask yours opinion, lancaster;

Is MAS 36 military model well worth of making a custom rifle ? They seems to be quite rare here in Finland, I know just one for sale with 650€ which IMO is quite much. But seems that in Sweden they are much cheaper.

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Re: french connection [Re: Igorrock]
      #252828 - 28/08/14 05:06 AM

its funny that you ask this just now when unbelievable things standing before my door ...
wish me luck, only 21 hours

650 euro is to much, only if you collect service rifles and have an untouched special piece

they are going for 200 -300 euro
what do you have in mind for a custom project? it depends on
this action have some features I like and handle very fine.

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #252830 - 28/08/14 06:04 AM

Quote:

what do you have in mind for a custom project?


Nothing just now because my 8x57 IS Mauser project seems to come ready before christmas. But in some day it would be nice to make one light and handy rifle to MAS 36 action. Caliber could be 7x57 or 6,5x55....

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      #252836 - 28/08/14 07:51 AM

[Quote]But in some day it would be nice to make one light and handy rifle to MAS 36 action. Caliber could be 7x57 or 6,5x55....



Light rifle on a M 1936 MAS action? According to Frank de Haas,"Bolt Action Rifles", the MAS action weights 51 oz = 1446 gramm, while the standard Mauser 98k large ring action is 45 oz = 1276 g. A small ring Mauser 98AZ action would be even lighter. It will be difficult to build a light rifle starting with an action being 6 oz = 170g heavier.


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      #252847 - 28/08/14 02:11 PM

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the MAS action weights 51 oz = 1446 gramm, while the standard Mauser 98k large ring action is 45 oz = 1276 g.


OK, thanks for yours note, kuduae. Haven´t ever handled any MAS 36.

So, according that weight it would be more sensible to build something "heavier" to MAS 36 action....

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      #252871 - 29/08/14 04:17 AM

well, my Mas 36 in 8x60 weights 3250 gramm, the M 98 in 9,3x64 weights 3450 gramm

if you could have only one rifle it have to be a Mauser but if you looking for just another rifle, if you are willing to make mistakes and learn ... why not.
the sporting rifle handle fine, ergonomic in a special way without looking like the rifle your orthopedist recommend you


because I am very impatient I have make plans for months now about the deactivated 8x60 mas 36. my gunmaker have a lothar walther 404 Jef. ( 10,75x73) barrel blank on stock for me for another project and I thought about this for making a new barrel for the mas.
it seems this will not happen

would you believe there could be a 10,75x68 barrel for the mas 36 still in the white laying around for 64 years now and waiting for me.
I would not think this could be a real possibility but if this would happen one day it must be karma











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      #252873 - 29/08/14 04:53 AM

Quote:

well, my Mas 36 in 8x60 weights 3250 gramm, the M 98 in 9,3x64 weights 3450 gramm


OK, my 9,3x64 Husqvarna seems to be a tad heavier; it weights now (without any mounts or scope) 3650 gramm. It´s stock wood is very dense and heavy.

But it would be very interesting to see how much yours 10,75x68 MAS will weight when it´s ready...

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      #253265 - 06/09/14 09:36 PM

it was clear this would happen, when I still waiting for the parts there would be another rifle for sale

http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAS-FOURNIER-GRANDE-CHASSE-calibre-10-75x68-cartouches-item-2114624.html









number is 636

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      #253266 - 06/09/14 10:10 PM

The price seems to be quite acceptable so maybe you buy the whole one and then sell those parts to someone other person who want to build his own 10,75x68 MAS....

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Am looking into Australias import laws as we speak

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      #253270 - 06/09/14 11:36 PM

1091 aussie dollar

maybe you ask our member Dorlac http://www.dorleac-dorleac.com/ for parking the rifle as a first step

he may know someone who does export or makes this work for you also. today you need some kind of "agent" in the special country of interest if dealing with guns.

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      #253284 - 07/09/14 08:55 AM

Lancaster - what are the odds of finding that barrel, ay!


I've started sending PM's and emails about the above one, lets see if I can get it over here!

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      #253288 - 07/09/14 07:12 PM

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Lancaster - what are the odds of finding that barrel, ay!











very simple, you just have to observe the whole internet thing 24 hours around the day

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      #253318 - 08/09/14 06:20 PM

You want something, and you look, every 10 minutes, for months..but its the day you stop that one appears, and sells. Congratulations on your success though!


Larcher is assisting me with the above. You 2 have been very helpful, and i thank you muchly.

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      #253329 - 08/09/14 10:30 PM

Heres a minty

http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAS-10-75x68-item-148631.html

10.75x68, No1498







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      #253331 - 08/09/14 10:43 PM

It sold in the time i was registering NOOOO!!!!



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      #253343 - 09/09/14 02:40 AM

wow, 1498 was realy mint
thank you for saving the pic

I am sorry to say readyness is all and you better prepare you now for the next chance that will come unexpected. you better look for a dealer who not only hold the rifle but make the export for you also.

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      #253344 - 09/09/14 02:58 AM

its time now to make a little inventory with the rifles we have see

serial number 136 8x60S
295 7x57
430 10,75x68
636 10,75x68
682 8x60S
692 8x60S
1303 10,75x68
1465 10,75x68
1498 10,75x68
1866 10,75x68
1940 10,75x68

without number 10,75x68
unknown number 7x57

this are 3 rifles in 8x60S, 2 in 7x57 and 8 rifles in 10,75x68
it seems my first idea that the 10,75 caliber was the rarest variant is not true but on the contrary its the most common caliber. this model was build from 1947(maybe 1946) up to 1951 but it could be parts were made and the rifles were fitted on demand also some years after 1951.

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      #253354 - 09/09/14 08:16 AM

Isn't that "minty" rifle a mega-buffed reblue job? I thot all the sporters were dull and some painted black to-boot?

The mil rifles used to be available here for dirt cheap. I've always wanted a sporter as even the mil rifles have a good "feel" to them.

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      #253395 - 10/09/14 04:07 AM

maybe you are right about reblued but anyway I am happy about every rifle here. with a little work it was possible to find some informations about a dangerous game rifle lost in times before and I hope we will find out more.

if you ever start a sporter project on a mas 36 I have the rear sight and the cool looking frontsight/muzzle break of the 8x60S barrel. you can have it when my 10,75mm barrel arrive

maybe good for a 308 winchester rifle

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      #253399 - 10/09/14 06:53 AM

636 is back and i've made an offer

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      #253419 - 11/09/14 03:29 AM

the barrel comes today, still in the original cosmoline
everything goes straight to my gunmaker

strange that this barrel laying around for 64 years till I see it. it was never in an action before just waiting the lord send me to investigate this rifle in detail.

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      #253436 - 11/09/14 08:33 AM

Excellent! I can't wait to see build progress!

Good news on my end too. I purchased 636. Seller won't ship to Australia so a member here (Larcher) kindly offered to give her a home and deal with the export side of things. Must confess having never bought internationally I am a tad nervous, but will be relieved when it arrives at Larchers. Cheers for that mate *thumbs up*

And thanks Lancaster for alerting me to the rifle.

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      #254148 - 27/09/14 06:43 PM

Hi Ash

I hope that I can register this rifle on tuesday and then ship it should the admin proceed immediately. Otherwise I'd have to wait that the permit be mailed??
I am thoroughly cleaning it and oiling the stock. The blueing is to consider in the future. The upper part of the rubber buttplate is chirped.This rifle isn't rusted, but was coated in packed grease just like wax. I am keeping on cleaning it this saturday afternoon before sending you pictures of it.
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      #254153 - 27/09/14 08:55 PM

I owe you a debt of gratitude, kind sir!


I posted the import permit application yesterday (Friday, 26/9/14).
Do you need this scanned and emailed to you for postage?

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      #254161 - 28/09/14 01:46 AM

Hi Ash

In fact I don't need your application, but it'll be usefull to join it to the french gun registration for a smoother transfer through Australian customs.

It's a pleasure to give a hand, you owe me nothing.

By the by, not a bad idea that I buy shares of Foster previous to land in Australia, the profit margin can cut the costs

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      #254184 - 28/09/14 03:14 PM

Quote:

Heres a minty

http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAS-10-75x68-item-148631.html

10.75x68, No1498










That is amazing and must hurt a lot to miss out on it.

It sure would make a different rifle for Australia and also get a lot of attention.

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      #254190 - 28/09/14 07:51 PM

HEADSTAMPS and AMMOS with the MAS 676








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      #254199 - 28/09/14 10:19 PM

Interesting, wonder what the solid load is, and if i should pull it and reload myself instead of firing if its a handload?

John, here are the pictures of the one Larcher is providing enormous assistance in helping me bring over (doing the export side of things over there!)
These are pictures he kindly sent me, i must say i like his choice of background!













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      #255926 - 29/10/14 05:08 AM

here is an advertisment for the Mas 36 sporting rifle in 7x54 by Jean Fournier
the 7x54 is a wildcat made by using the the 7,5x54 military round. more or less a copy of the 7x57 mauser until last year illegal in france.







http://www.tircollection.com/t6184-calibre-mas-fournier

hope to find such paper for the 10,75x68 rifle too

the rifle there looks like an original Mas made gun. maybe Fournier had bought the parts after the end of the production there. this rifle here for sale in france once dont have any checkering and no serial number on the left side.















http://www.naturabuy.fr/Mas-36-7x54-Fournier-item-556700.html

another rifle looks like it have the common serial number of the rifles made at Manufacture d'armes de Saint-Étienne. maybe Fournier got this receiver with the serial number on it.













http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-MAS-36-FOURNIER-occasion-item-606097.html

this Fournier rifle have the typical "JF 154" serial number on the left side above. this is the common way the serial number is locaceted and looks on Fournier made rifles

























http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAS-36-FOURNIER-CALIBRE-7X54-item-381396.html

a Fournier made rifle( number "JFD 915" - giving a hint that 915 of this rifles were made at least) and a 8x60S (common serial number 136)rifle with Sterna stamp side by side







http://www.tircollection.com/t2152-mas-fournier-1075x68

Sterna was another gunmaker who made mas 36 sporting rifles probably by using parts he bought from
Manufacture d'armes de Saint-Étienne. we have seen this stamp before on rifle number 295 and maybe also on number 837 where Sterna was the gunmaker who rechamber the illegal 7x57 into the .284 Winchester.


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      #255938 - 29/10/14 07:13 AM

the more I see ...

here number 1354, typical Mas serial number but 7x54 so made by Fournier
the receicer dont have the peep sight rail on top like the 10,75x68 mm rifle have but the rear sight is completly unique.
http://www.naturabuy.fr/mas-36-fournier-item-1259752.html














found pics of the rifle number 1231 in 7x54 http://s300.photobucket.com/user/WilyB/m...lution.jpg.html, clearly to see the original MAS butt plate. so this was not some look alike and whoever did the work he had the original parts.

so we have now a lot of rifles without the little "JF" serial number above on the left side I thought before being typical for the Fournier rifles in 7x54. witht he big number on the left side under the caliber this rifles looking like every other rifle made at MAS.

this is a similar non standard rifle
number 002 and chambered for the wildcat cartridge 30,284
the rifle have a muzzle break probably for the 8x60S http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAS-36-calibre-30-284-item-854608.html











looks like different parts were mixed for the last two rifle's here

what to think about this now?
-the Mas 36 sporting rifle was made by MAS between 1946/47 and 1951
-Mas made this rifle in 7x57, 8x60S and 10,75x68
-the rifles were not build continuous because higher serial numbers have barrels made in 1947
-after the end in the Manufacture d'armes de Saint-Étienne it seems Fournier and probably Sterna bought the remaining parts on stock and made rifles
- only Fournier rifles are made in 7x54 and its possible he rechamber existing 7x57 barrels
- Sterna rechamber 7x57 barrels in .284 Winchester
- it seems Fournier get a wild mix of parts, some receiver numbered, some not
- the last two rifles here showing that the different parts were used to made unusual combinations

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      #255940 - 29/10/14 08:53 AM

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but the rear sight is completly unique.








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      #255945 - 29/10/14 10:13 AM

So did M700 Remington rifles.

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thanks

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      #256570 - 11/11/14 05:22 AM

ok, dont look for this but find it nonetheless
Manufacture d'Armes de St-Etienne catalog, the year is unknown



Courtesy of Alain Daubresse/ www.littlegun.info special thanks


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      #256949 - 18/11/14 03:54 PM

another piece for the puzzle

a 7x57 rechambered into a 284 Winchester by Aldo Sterna/Annecy serial number 702
http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAS-36-STERNA-Annecy-cal-284W-item-2232019.html



















what I have found is that the 7x57 mauser was legal for some years in france but then outlawed again. for use in the colony's there were never any restrictions anyway. I have the impression the production of this sporting rifle was terminated by MAS probably in 1951/1952. maybe this was done because of new demand by the war in south east asia and the upcoming riots in north africa.

it seems that remaining rifles and parts were sold to Jean Fournier and Aldo Sterna. Fournier bypassed the 7x57 problem with his 7x54 wildcat and Sterna rechambered allways existing barrels into the 284 winchester. every Sterna made rifle till now have "7x57" on the receiver.
there may also some rifle allready be sold when the 7x57 was outlawed again and going back to sterna and fournier for geting a new chamber.

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      #258407 - 30/12/14 11:08 PM

find pics of the FRF1 and FRF2 sniper rifle action showing the difference and similarity to the Mas 36 mother action
its maybe not completly uninterestingly if you try to understand this topic












worked as a hunting rifle http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....e=0&fpart=4








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      #258419 - 31/12/14 05:33 PM

This .284 looks nice.



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      #258422 - 31/12/14 06:31 PM

where did you find it? any chance to get the SN?

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      #258433 - 01/01/15 03:29 AM

It's one you posted above, sorry. Nothing new, just commenting on that particular rifle.
How's your 10.75 coming along?

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      #258571 - 04/01/15 07:09 AM

ok, the scope, scope mount and bipod in the next pics looking horrible but we will try to ignore it and concentrate on the rifle alone.
its a Fournier made rifle in 7x54 with the own serial number 019
http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-MAS-FOURNIER-calibre-7x54-item-2358792.html
in my mind its another example showing that Founier take over the stock of parts, work in progress and rifles. its obvious that Fournier use receiver with an allready existing serial number and without.











here is another Fournier Rifle were the receiver was allready having the Mas serial number 1231. the "4" in "7x54" looks a little bit out of line so maybe changed from original 7x57.
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?15790-MAS-Mle-1936-Survey-for-the-New-Forum




could be the 7x54 rifles with the Mas serial number were all made by Mas as 7x57 and only rechambered into 7x54 by Fournier to make it legal when the 7x57 was again outlawed for civilians.






Sterna build also such rifles so it seems they both bought the rifles and parts on stock in the Mas factory just when having an order.
rifle no. 136 in 8x60 must have been such a rifle more or less finnished when sterna stamp his name on the receiver and sold it.

this one is in 243 win and its clear Sterna complete the receiver, stock and maybe the barrel with surplus parts for military rifles.

notice the trigger guard is without the safety






the left side of the receiver must have the word "calibre" from the beginning.



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      #258918 - 11/01/15 02:39 AM

a 300 Savage, probably rebored 7x57 Mauser barrel
SN 776 - thanks Larcher



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this was the first rifle I have seen



an american soldier bought this in Vietnam from an old french master. looks like there is no serial number




The owner of this rifle removed the serial number in the photo. For some reason people are scared to show serial numbers, but the actual rifle still has its number intact. I will set out a quest to acquire it (the number) for your list.

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      #259590 - 29/01/15 01:14 AM

10,75x68, SN 491 in auction
http://www.naturabuy.fr/rare-carabine-Mas-10-75-68-item-2401372.html















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      #261019 - 23/02/15 04:54 PM

I still kick myself for choosing a Swedish M96 in a trade when I could have had a like-new MAS36. They are reputed to be one of the most accurate military bolt actions due to the horizontally locking lugs. Whether the rear locking lugs play any part in that I don't know.

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      #261937 - 09/03/15 05:33 AM

a 7x54 by Jean Fournier SN: JF 053









http://www.naturabuy.fr/Vente-carabine-Fournier-7x54-item-2471230.html

again a rifle probably bought by Fournier in parts out of the MAS factory stock. the receiver without SN and caliber designation, the 7x57 Mauser barrel rechambered to 7x54 Fournier and the hole rifle not painted black but only phosphated.


a remarkable detail is the use of the 7x54 Sako (or Lapua ?) in the 7x54 rifles. the 7x54 was a cartridge no rifle exist when it came into production, its a 6,5x55 necked up to 7mm and the base diameter is +/- 0,2mm under the base diameter of the 7x54 Fournier/7,5x54 but it seems nobody care about it.






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      #261973 - 09/03/15 07:10 PM

7x54 was quite popular wild cat caliber in Finland after WWII. You mostly could see it in rebored (original caliber 6,5 Japanese)and civilized Arisaka military rifles. Ordinary twist of barrel is quite low, just good for light 5,1g bullets which are same whose SAKO made for their own caliber 7x33. There is too 7x53R which has necked down 7,62x53R case.

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      #261990 - 10/03/15 03:18 AM

loading light bullets on full power rifle cartridges was a finnish speciality in the post war decades. I think your compatriots have use such bullets also on bigger game than fox or wild geese, why not on roe deer also.
my older kemira reloading list is the only one having 308 Winchester loads with the 4,8 gramm bullet for the 7,65 Browning pistol cartridge. the only RWS load I can compare with this was the 6 gramm bullet in the 6,5x57, a cartridge used on anything in the alps.

this here is such a 10 rounds collector ammo box we were talking about lately Igorrock. its for sale but with 50 euro not realy the bargain of week.

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      #261997 - 10/03/15 06:30 AM

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loading light bullets on full power rifle cartridges was a finnish speciality in the post war decades.


For good reasons; 5,1g round nose fmj bullet was/is very good killer for such big birds as blackgrouse and capercaillie. I have shot some birds with my 7x53R and noticed that this bullet is very accurate and flat shooter to 100-150 meter distances. Nowadays, when we in due course have some roe deers in Finland, is same bullet with bly nose very usefull. My friend has single shot Arisaka in 7x54 and said it´s very nice caliber for roe deer.

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      #262013 - 10/03/15 12:16 PM

Maybe it's just me, but I find these guns Sooooooo - ugly and clumsy looking.

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      #262017 - 10/03/15 02:00 PM

They're very slim, Daryl

Am looking foward to getting mine (10.75x68) and taking it for buffalo. Just waiting on updates from Larcher at the moment.

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Maybe it's just me, but I find these guns Sooooooo - ugly and clumsy looking.




looking strange but believe me the handling is exellent

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      #263057 - 03/04/15 02:38 AM

got the new-old Mas today back from my gunmaker, its officially now reborn as a 10,75x68.














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Looks very good. Are you going to use any scope with it ?

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      #263063 - 03/04/15 04:37 AM

no scope at all, its a fun rifle
remember the day when you send me the link to this rifle igorrock who would have thought that it will end this way?
polishing and blueing starts now but I will make it so you see it have some history and is a honourable working gun.

the guy in the proof house in suhl had grumble a little bit because the chamber dimension were on the upper end of allowable tolerance BUT it is still within and so pass the proof with flying colours.

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Quote:

remember the day when you send me the link to this rifle igorrock who would have thought that it will end this way?


Still at yours service....
Quote:

the guy in the proof house in suhl had grumble a little bit because the chamber dimension were on the upper end of allowable tolerance BUT it is still within and so pass the proof with flying colours.


So you could say yours barrel is just chamfered to SAAMI specs...

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      #263130 - 04/04/15 09:19 PM

I like your floor, Lancaster.

The rifle's come up great! How'd he end up redoing the caliber stampings?
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      #263131 - 04/04/15 11:09 PM

"I like your floor, Lancaster."

thanks, its the marble the 3 silesian wars were fight for
quarry for the kings palace but now in my kitchen
no, I did not steal it

did not shoot the rifle, got it thursday, bluing the small parts on friday, the barreled action will be send for blueing after the easter days. I simply dont have a suitable pot to make the blueing of such large parts here.

have some cartridges for a first test but need a die set. need a 6,5x53R and a 8x58RD die set too so its time ch4d get an order.

my tool maker tig welded over the old caliber engraving and I sand and polished the receiver than. the new caliber engraving was done with a common engraving machine.

as we say here " the blind man dont see it and the stupid dont know it"


first impression







with my 10,75x57


the mauser for a much smaller cartridge weighs 3500 gramm, the Mas 3400 gramm


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      #263142 - 05/04/15 04:14 AM

Quote:

the mauser for a much smaller cartridge weighs 3500 gramm, the Mas 3400 gramm




Some bars of lead to right places will make it much more comfortable to shoot. The heavier weight isn´t any problem if balance is right.

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They do indeed look, ----- Slim.

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      #263155 - 05/04/15 07:32 AM

What do you think about the placement and shape of the pistol grip? Would it fit better if the grip radius was shorter, in order to place your finger closer to the trigger?

I like what you are doing to that rifle. I am also trying to talk myself out of acquiring one for my personal collection.


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      #263167 - 05/04/15 08:29 PM

my hands are comparative small but I dont have any problems with the size of the stock. it fits and is ergonomic without being so awful ugly like modern stuff.

I am happy about anyone looking for more and especially for forgotten stuff to bring it back into the minds of the vintage gun collecting community. my special interest is the 10,75x68 Mauser cartridge and anything about it. knowing this cartridge is not much liked anymore but I dont care.

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I am also trying to talk myself out of acquiring one for my personal collection.




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      #263193 - 06/04/15 11:45 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I am also trying to talk myself out of acquiring one for my personal collection.




You're in the wrong thread for that, dear Sir!


I know, I really should be in some sort of treatment program. Maybe Xausa can provide some therapy...

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      #263980 - 22/04/15 04:57 AM

so its done






my teutonic cartridge trio

10,75x68, 9,3x64 and 11,2x60


it feels allways good when a long work comes to its end! ch4d told me the die sets are on the way.

what have we find out?
the Mas 36 as a hunting rifle was made probably between 1946/47 and 1951 as a low budget rifle for the hunter who had lost his rifle in the times of WW2 and was needing an inexpensive replacement.
the rifle was made in 7x57 Mauser, 8x60S and 10,75x68 but there was a problem with the 7x57.
the good old mauser cartridge was actually banned for being a military round but this only in france and not in the colonys and for a short time it was not banned in france also. probably in 1951 Mas stop to made the rifle maybe because the war in indochine became to hot and they need the workforce only for this.
it seems Mas had a large stock of parts and semi manufactured rifles. the 7x57 Mauser rifles were rechambered by the french gunmaker Fournier for his 7x54 Fournier wildcat, a 7,5x54 based cartridge which cut the old 7mm Mauser chamber. it seems Fournier also build new rifles by using old Mas parts. some of his rifles have still Mas serial number but other were made by using an unnumbered receiver and get a new serial number.
another possiblity was to rechamber the rifle after the 7x57 was again outlawed for the 284 Winchester, a cartridge with bigger measurments then 7mm Mauser again. this was done by the french gunmaker Sterna but cant be older than 1963 when the cartridge came on the market. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.284_Winchester

till now I have find
8 rifles in 7x54, ex 7x57
4 rifles in 284 WIN, ex 7x57
4 rifles in 8x60S
2 rifles, another cartridge

9 rifles in 10,75x68

of course the 10,75 is the rifle that interest me the most

original 7x57 Mauser rifles are very rare today and I have only heard of one.


this post will go on so long I see a new example, thank you for your attention

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      #263995 - 22/04/15 04:24 PM

OK, project done! So next what you need is a bigger gun safe and some more projets....

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      #264001 - 22/04/15 05:43 PM

That 11.2x60 looks a bit shunned now, perhaps it would like to move to Australia?


Congrats on getting it finished, Lancaster! Looks great! Let me know how it shoots

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      #264028 - 23/04/15 01:43 AM

Quote:

OK, project done! So next what you need is a bigger gun safe and some more projets....




thanks , please not more projects! four projects in work, three rifles still problems with the scope or better said one problem and two not finished

I have more than enough

Quote:

That 11.2x60 looks a bit shunned now, perhaps it would like to move to Australia?




if so you must take the 300 cases, 1000 bullets and the die set also

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      #264115 - 24/04/15 02:57 PM

No way, you need to maintain your current number of projects

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      #267332 - 03/07/15 06:36 PM

ex 7x57 SN 375
now in .284 Win, clearly rechambered by Sterna
http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-MAS-occasion-284-Win-item-1762047.html






named Mas Founier this rifle got a new FN/Herstal barrel in 270 Win but if the work was done by or for Fournier is not clear.
very low SN 82 this was another ex 7x57 Mauser http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-MAS-FOURNIER-calibre-270-Win-item-2719656.html



















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      #267415 - 06/07/15 02:09 AM

before ts lost again, now historical pic showing the Mas 36 in 7x54 in action in the Pyrenean, isard hunting in the sixties.




http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=267413&Main=251578#Post267413

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      #269792 - 30/08/15 03:43 PM

SN 917 in 7x54 rechambered by Fournier http://www.naturabuy.fr/mas-fournier-7X54-item-2815612.html










barrel is make in 1947 and looks like there is a 7x57 stamp on it. the receiver have a clean 7x54 marking so probably take over by Fournier in the white and than completed with the rechambered barrel

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      #270068 - 06/09/15 11:37 PM

10,75x68, SN 746
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      #271812 - 17/10/15 06:25 PM

7x54 Fournier barrel for sale, again make in 1947 what supports my theory that the parts were made between 1946 and maybe 1948 and than rifles were build on demand just by using the barrel in the caliber ordered









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      #277009 - 23/01/16 09:06 PM

7x54 with "JF" before of the unknown SN , phosphat finish
http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAS-FOURNIER-CAL-7X54-item-3067185.html

















not a textbook Mas 36 hunting rifle this 300 savage was made probably some times later with old parts and a new made barrel
http://www.naturabuy.fr/mas-36-300-savage-item-2784916.html

















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      #277035 - 24/01/16 11:53 AM

Interesting and nice to see these old rifles saved and appreciated. Thank you for sharing.

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      #277137 - 26/01/16 04:01 AM

my pleasure, nobody who had seen this became more stupid and I have learned about this just like you. all the gun nuts who had not known this rifle before understand now what it is.

when seeing the first 10,75x68 mas in the net I was need it

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      #277404 - 01/02/16 07:37 AM

I knew of the Military 7.5mm MAS but never even gave sporting rifles built on the MAS a thought. That was daft of me really as I know the Sproting rilfes on British and American military rifles fairly well. It now seems that there is a chance we might even be coming to France.

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      #277542 - 04/02/16 06:43 PM

this Mas have seen probably the chamber reamer three times. it looks like make as a 7x57 by MAS than rechambered by Fournier in 7x54, restamp as 7x54 on the left side of the receiver and than again rechambered probably by Sterna in 284 Winchester.
SN is not clear to see but looks like 200 -300
http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-MAS-Fournier-cal-284-Winchester-item-3083993.html

















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      #283377 - 04/06/16 02:54 PM

7x54 , SN "JF 342"
http://www.naturabuy.fr/carabine-MAS-FOURNIER-item-3272924.html







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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #283403 - 04/06/16 10:18 PM

Thanks for posting Lancaster. I knew of the MAs but not much, after going through this thread I know a bit more. Wouldn't mind getting my hands on one.

The rear sight looks the same as found on the Brno Model 1

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Re: french connection [Re: Rule303]
      #284985 - 09/07/16 02:06 PM

7x54, SN JF 152
http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAS-36-FOURNIER-item-3357371.html





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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
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      #286670 - 21/08/16 06:11 AM

a 10,75x68 for sale http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-MAS-occasion-10-75x68-mm-Mauser-item-3382956.html















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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #286706 - 21/08/16 08:55 PM

Reminds me i still need to get mine here :P

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Re: french connection [Re: Ash]
      #287991 - 18/09/16 10:12 PM

JF 295 serial number, 7x54
http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-MAS-FOURNIER-7x54-Fournier-item-3438671.html
























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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #289266 - 21/10/16 05:26 AM

the 10,75x68 from above




have the serial number 569

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #289283 - 22/10/16 01:32 AM

For a target rifle it is a fine action, potentially very accurate due it is said, to the horizontally locking lugs, but oh my, it is no Bugatti of the rifle world!

I've never owned one, but how is the bolt to manipulate and how much clearance is there between the thumb and a scope tube?


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      #289296 - 22/10/16 04:41 AM

never handle a rifle with scope on it but the actions is made very ergonomic

in all I like it

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      #291532 - 06/12/16 07:34 PM

7x54 , SN 1526
http://www.naturabuy.fr/Vend-carabine-cal-7x54-chasseurs-collectionneur-item-3575583.html























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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #297002 - 14/03/17 12:45 AM

three different 7x54, clearly to see by the phosphated parts this are later made rifles having probably only a "JF ..." serial number

http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-MAS-occasion-7x54-Fournier-item-3731584.html














http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAS-FOURNIER-CAL-7X54-item-3689633.html























http://www.naturabuy.fr/Magnifique-carabine-MAS-FOURNIER-7-54-item-3643698.html

JF 227

















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      #300358 - 12/05/17 04:54 AM

7x54 JF SN 854 http://www.naturabuy.fr/vends-carabine-MAS-FOURNIER-cal-7x54-item-3827079.html

clearly made with military rifle parts because the old stock for the hunting rifle production was works up than















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      #303069 - 15/07/17 03:15 PM

7x54, SN JF 169 http://www.naturabuy.fr/Mas-fournier-7x54-fournier-item-3989433.html





















an interesting collector cartridge falls into the Mas 36 sporting rifle topic


http://www.naturabuy.fr/Peu-courant-8-60-ATE-1948-item-3332937.html

my question about this rifle when notice it the first time was were they got ammo in 10,75x68 than and it came to surface that the french military arsenal ATE was making sporting ammo in 10,75x68 in this years. don't look for the 8x60S model + ammo question but in the end in was the same problem.
and what have we here? voila a 8x60 cartridge made by ATE in 1948.

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #303076 - 16/07/17 12:21 AM

This bend safety lever looks quite interesting....

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Re: french connection [Re: Igorrock]
      #306983 - 29/10/17 08:53 PM

7x54 , SN is JF 606
http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAS-FOURNIER-item-4040204.html













7x54 barrel for sale http://www.naturabuy.fr/CANON-MAS-F-item-3949435.html









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