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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #240511 - 12/01/14 09:36 PM

again a Mas 36 made in 7x57 now a 284 Win
serial number 295 http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAS-Sterna-item-1673091.html
dont know what "Sterna" means, see it the first time probably the gunmaker who rechamber the rifle.











will try to investigate the year this rifle was build. its possible that all 7x57 mauser sporting rifles were made for the colony's were the gun law forbidding military cartridges for sporting rifles were not in use. when bring this rifles back someone change them to the similar but civilian .284 Winchester.

a nice box of the suspected 10,75x68 for sale but for 90 euro's no bargain









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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #240551 - 13/01/14 03:25 PM

Larcher asking the seller of the last rifle here for the year under the barrel and it is "Mas 1951"
with No.682 made in 1947 and No. 1866 made in 1950 the No.295 made in 1951 dont realy help to come closer to the question when No. 1 was made.
obviously they use an old action in stock or rebarrel sometimes this riffle so it dont help me anything.

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #241298 - 27/01/14 05:47 PM

another pic with a Mas 36 sporter come to surface
now in cambodia
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=241296&page=0&vc=1#Post241296

with a Kouprey two raritys side by side. it looks like there is the typical muzzle brake on the rifle but's not clear enough.

a 10,75x68 seems logical



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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #241369 - 28/01/14 06:38 PM

and here the is muzzle brake very clear to see



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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #241653 - 03/02/14 08:55 PM

pics of a 10,75x68 I found by accident
the rifle was sold in france in 7/2011, serial number is 430
the lowest number I have seen



















this 10,75 have the number 1303, sold in 4/2012





















another rifle sold in france in 10/2012, serial number is 1465

















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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #242579 - 17/02/14 09:49 PM

8x60S No. 136 , "1947" under the barrel





http://www.tircollection.com/t2152-mas-fournier-1075x68

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #242813 - 21/02/14 01:38 AM

many thanks to larcher who help me to aquire the ATE ammo box
I WILL NOT FORGET THIS

so now I can answer the question I had when seeing this rifle the first time in my life: what ammo was it made for?

the 10,75 ATE on Mas 36 clip



headstamp is ATE 10,75x68


when open the box I had the biggest surprise, what was looking as full metall jacket on pics is in fact a hollow point bullet



ATE hollow point, DWM flat point and Kynoch round nose



20 years ago now I talked with the ex chief-ballistician of the Spreewerke Lübben, an east german cold war military ammo arsenal making mainly 7,62x39. He told me they had to made some lots of 7,62 hunting ammo in the 80s but with their highly specialised tools and machines it was not possible to made softpoint bullets. they could make full metall jackets of all kinds with this but softpoints were not possible. so they did the same like MWK another east german arsenal when making 8x57 IS/IRS hunting ammo. they close the jacket over the bullet base much as possible and turn the tip of the jacket on a lathe. something that work very well with the machinery. so I understand the remarkable bullet design of this softpoints.
ATE was a similar military arsenal and had probably the same problem when making the 10,75x68. they could not make softpoint bullets but full metall jackets and hollow points by drilling the FMJ.
looks suitable for big cats what was maybe the biggest problem for game and forrest departments after the long years of WW 2 when the big cats could breed in peace.

10,75 ATE hollow point and MWK 8x57IS soft point
notice the cut of jacket of the 8x57


think I need now a box of DWM, RWS, S&B and PS also
damned collecting, you will never finish

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #252749 - 27/08/14 01:16 AM

French Congo in 1951




the woman and the man on the right side have the Mas rifle in 10,75





must be brand new than





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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #252780 - 27/08/14 02:33 PM

I just have to ask yours opinion, lancaster;

Is MAS 36 military model well worth of making a custom rifle ? They seems to be quite rare here in Finland, I know just one for sale with 650€ which IMO is quite much. But seems that in Sweden they are much cheaper.

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Re: french connection [Re: Igorrock]
      #252828 - 28/08/14 05:06 AM

its funny that you ask this just now when unbelievable things standing before my door ...
wish me luck, only 21 hours

650 euro is to much, only if you collect service rifles and have an untouched special piece

they are going for 200 -300 euro
what do you have in mind for a custom project? it depends on
this action have some features I like and handle very fine.

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #252830 - 28/08/14 06:04 AM

Quote:

what do you have in mind for a custom project?


Nothing just now because my 8x57 IS Mauser project seems to come ready before christmas. But in some day it would be nice to make one light and handy rifle to MAS 36 action. Caliber could be 7x57 or 6,5x55....

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Re: french connection [Re: Igorrock]
      #252836 - 28/08/14 07:51 AM

[Quote]But in some day it would be nice to make one light and handy rifle to MAS 36 action. Caliber could be 7x57 or 6,5x55....



Light rifle on a M 1936 MAS action? According to Frank de Haas,"Bolt Action Rifles", the MAS action weights 51 oz = 1446 gramm, while the standard Mauser 98k large ring action is 45 oz = 1276 g. A small ring Mauser 98AZ action would be even lighter. It will be difficult to build a light rifle starting with an action being 6 oz = 170g heavier.


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Re: french connection [Re: kuduae]
      #252847 - 28/08/14 02:11 PM

Quote:

the MAS action weights 51 oz = 1446 gramm, while the standard Mauser 98k large ring action is 45 oz = 1276 g.


OK, thanks for yours note, kuduae. Haven´t ever handled any MAS 36.

So, according that weight it would be more sensible to build something "heavier" to MAS 36 action....

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Re: french connection [Re: Igorrock]
      #252871 - 29/08/14 04:17 AM

well, my Mas 36 in 8x60 weights 3250 gramm, the M 98 in 9,3x64 weights 3450 gramm

if you could have only one rifle it have to be a Mauser but if you looking for just another rifle, if you are willing to make mistakes and learn ... why not.
the sporting rifle handle fine, ergonomic in a special way without looking like the rifle your orthopedist recommend you


because I am very impatient I have make plans for months now about the deactivated 8x60 mas 36. my gunmaker have a lothar walther 404 Jef. ( 10,75x73) barrel blank on stock for me for another project and I thought about this for making a new barrel for the mas.
it seems this will not happen

would you believe there could be a 10,75x68 barrel for the mas 36 still in the white laying around for 64 years now and waiting for me.
I would not think this could be a real possibility but if this would happen one day it must be karma











got it
play the lottery next time

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #252873 - 29/08/14 04:53 AM

Quote:

well, my Mas 36 in 8x60 weights 3250 gramm, the M 98 in 9,3x64 weights 3450 gramm


OK, my 9,3x64 Husqvarna seems to be a tad heavier; it weights now (without any mounts or scope) 3650 gramm. It´s stock wood is very dense and heavy.

But it would be very interesting to see how much yours 10,75x68 MAS will weight when it´s ready...

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Re: french connection [Re: Igorrock]
      #253265 - 06/09/14 09:36 PM

it was clear this would happen, when I still waiting for the parts there would be another rifle for sale

http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAS-FOURNIER-GRANDE-CHASSE-calibre-10-75x68-cartouches-item-2114624.html









number is 636

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #253266 - 06/09/14 10:10 PM

The price seems to be quite acceptable so maybe you buy the whole one and then sell those parts to someone other person who want to build his own 10,75x68 MAS....

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Re: french connection [Re: Igorrock]
      #253268 - 06/09/14 10:27 PM

Am looking into Australias import laws as we speak

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Re: french connection [Re: Ash]
      #253270 - 06/09/14 11:36 PM

1091 aussie dollar

maybe you ask our member Dorlac http://www.dorleac-dorleac.com/ for parking the rifle as a first step

he may know someone who does export or makes this work for you also. today you need some kind of "agent" in the special country of interest if dealing with guns.

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #253284 - 07/09/14 08:55 AM

Lancaster - what are the odds of finding that barrel, ay!


I've started sending PM's and emails about the above one, lets see if I can get it over here!

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Re: french connection [Re: Ash]
      #253288 - 07/09/14 07:12 PM

Quote:

Lancaster - what are the odds of finding that barrel, ay!











very simple, you just have to observe the whole internet thing 24 hours around the day

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #253318 - 08/09/14 06:20 PM

You want something, and you look, every 10 minutes, for months..but its the day you stop that one appears, and sells. Congratulations on your success though!


Larcher is assisting me with the above. You 2 have been very helpful, and i thank you muchly.

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Re: french connection [Re: Ash]
      #253329 - 08/09/14 10:30 PM

Heres a minty

http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAS-10-75x68-item-148631.html

10.75x68, No1498







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Re: french connection [Re: Ash]
      #253331 - 08/09/14 10:43 PM

It sold in the time i was registering NOOOO!!!!



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Re: french connection [Re: Ash]
      #253343 - 09/09/14 02:40 AM

wow, 1498 was realy mint
thank you for saving the pic

I am sorry to say readyness is all and you better prepare you now for the next chance that will come unexpected. you better look for a dealer who not only hold the rifle but make the export for you also.

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