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In Praise of the .300 win. Mag.
      #327020 - 09/04/19 09:47 AM

https://www.fieldandstream.com/in-praise-300-winchester-magnum

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #327021 - 09/04/19 12:00 PM

I'd like to see what you could get from a 300 win in a magnum action and throated for the long bullets. Would be spectacular, or more spectacular than it currently is.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: wkudu]
      #327031 - 09/04/19 03:40 PM

Yes - fast twist and throated long. I bought the Browning A-3 with it's 26" bl. for long-range shooting at our range.

We have now extended the range to 1,400meters last fall. We need some more steel plates - obviously. Another full size buffalo silhouette out of AR500 would be nice.

It only took me 2 shots to hit the 1,000meter buffalo. He's 4' belly to top of the back and 8' long including the head, of course.

The reason it took 2 shots, was I held my Vortec MOA scope for 1,000 yards, not 1,000 meters. The second shot (anohter 1 1/2 moa smacked him in the heart.

180gr. WW Protected point bonded - factory ammo.
That 180Winchester and some old 1970's .300 Win. Mag. R-P 180 Corelocts (I found) cloverleaf on top of each other off the bags at 100 meters.

That test target had 6 shots under 3/8" - for factory ammo, it was incredible. I picked up another box of the Win. ammo just to have it.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #327033 - 09/04/19 04:04 PM

G'Day Fella's,

The .300 Win Mag has always been an imprerssive cartridge, it's just that most of us, didn't realise just how good it was.

Unfortunatley for me, the .300 Win and W/by Mags etc, recoil to sharply for me.
I might try one, with one of the new super soft recoil pads (Pachmayr XLT, etc), and see what it's like?

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Homer]
      #327064 - 10/04/19 01:35 AM

The Browning came with a type of sorbicoil pad, very nice to shoot. I know what you mean by the 'sharp' recoil. The recoil speed is right up there, but easy to shoot well.

Now, a friend of mine has a .300 Winch. Mag. Savage that weighs 6 1/2 pounds. That one is MOST unpleasant to shoot.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #327069 - 10/04/19 04:16 AM

The 300Win is a great cartridge--frankly the only caliber I used for about 15 years.. worked so well I quit using it..

Here is another 300--- fuel to the discussion of this post.. personally I much prefer the 300Win to the Weatherby.. If I need more than the Win I'' take the 300RUM.. more accurate, more speed and no belt..

https://sportsafield.com/the-300-weatherby-magnum/

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #327087 - 10/04/19 09:27 AM

Buddy of mine has or had a Remington M700 factory chambered in .300 WTBY mag. He told me it put 200gr. Noslers out using Speer data for IMR7828, at just over 3,200fps. I said B-ll-Sh--, in my usually soft manner.
Well, I did get to chronograph it, little finger bolt lift and 3,230fps or so - 200gr. Nosler Partition. It was almost 200fps faster than the book. Who'd have thought?
The data was out of #8 or #9 Speer Manual I think & that load or data in not in the current books.

If I remember correctly, it was 82.0gr. IMR7828 with Fed. 215 primer.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #327118 - 10/04/19 11:16 PM

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Buddy of mine has or had a Remington M700 factory chambered in .300 WTBY mag. He told me it put 200gr. Noslers out using Speer data for IMR7828, at just over 3,200fps. I said B-ll-Sh--, in my usually soft manner.
Well, I did get to chronograph it, little finger bolt lift and 3,230fps or so - 200gr. Nosler Partition. It was almost 200fps faster than the book. Who'd have thought?
The data was out of #8 or #9 Speer Manual I think & that load or data in not in the current books.

If I remember correctly, it was 82.0gr. IMR7828 with Fed. 215 primer.




HA...usually soft manner??

For years out of my RUM I was shooting 180 A-Frames at 3370fps... now using 200gr A-Frames around 3175..no big signs of pressure..so, I would believe that..

Do you know if the barrel was set up with the customary "weatherby freebore"??

I know Rem for years was showing the 180 Rem Factory loads at around 3200fps..which was way under what it is capable of ..while testing on my chrono I hit the 3400fps mark with the 180's.. definite pressure signs however..

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #327127 - 11/04/19 01:37 AM

I don't know what the throat was like, Ripp - but likely it had the 1/2" or so of freebore, just to be safe with factory ammo.
It simply was a very "fast" barrel, I guess. I've had a few really 'fast' barrels over the years.
The 26" Jeff Lawrence barrel on my daughter's .260, my old Shilen bl.'d 26" .257 Robert's IMP - my current 26" .375/06IMP and my old Oberndorf 9.3x62 with 22"bl.

I've had slow barrels too, a model 1917 US Mauser '06 that was a poke in .30/06, hitting max. with 2,300fps and 220's, 2550fps with 180's, but quite accurately. It would not make .308 ballistics without complaint, so I re-chambered it to .30/.338 to start, on rebated rims, then decided to go full length with the .300 Win Mag., opened the bolt and was done. I think it was actually a P14 action as the action rails appeared to have the central open-area for the rims. It fed .06's just fine, though and after the re-chamber, fed the magnum rounds without a hitch - no mod needed.

Too - after the re-chamber, it turned into a good, normal/fast 24" barrel, however it did not like 220's or 180's any more. It delighted in driving 165's at over 3,300fps with WW Failsafe's as well as Nos. Partitions and grouping right at the 3/4" mark for 3-shot groups. Best were 165gr. Partitions at 3,265fps iirc, and sub 1/2" most of the time. Young local fellow needed it more than I did so I practically gave it to him, $175.00 seems to me.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #327133 - 11/04/19 06:21 AM

The old 308Norma Mag is just as good, probably a bit more efficient than the 300WM.
Norma factory loads were accurate, 3 shots right on an inch at 100 yards. I tried reloading that cartridge for years without success using AR2209 - just didn't work!
Changed to AR2213SC under advice & the groups dropped remarkably, I've slightly bettered the factory loads - but I can do so now with 2 projectiles, the 178gn A-Max & 180gn flat base (Hornady); all to the same point of aim & at 3020 odd fps!
Not wrong about the sharp recoil Homer....yes I'll have to get a new pad for mine as well.
Sorry to hi-jack the thread - again another cartridge that could be out there a lot more if marketed better!


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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: 93x64mm]
      #327136 - 11/04/19 10:26 AM


Lots of good cartridges “don’t get no respect”..... I was at the range maybe a month ago tinkering with a Sako .300WSM..... buddy came up to me and politely asked what I was shooting. When I told him, his somewhat condescending response was along the lines of “I thought that cartridge fad hit the dust bin and nobody uses it anymore”.....

What gives? I shoot what I like and I don’t much care if some other wanker thinks it doesn’t measure up to some bizarre standard set in their own minds..... Oh well, I’ve never been much of a follower.

The .300 Win mag in it’s original form is a plenty fine cartridge and is a wonderful choice for anyone looking for a bit more snap than the really superb .30-06.


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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Postman]
      #327139 - 11/04/19 02:44 PM

My 24" m70 is currently running 2,960fps with 165gr.SST's and 2,745fps with 180gr. SST's.
The 165's are .540" for 5 and the 180's are running .645".
I'm more than happy with that rifle & only see the .300WMag as a "plinking" rifle at this time, for playing a the range on the steel gongs.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Postman]
      #327150 - 11/04/19 08:37 PM

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Lots of good cartridges “don’t get no respect”..... I was at the range maybe a month ago tinkering with a Sako .300WSM..... buddy came up to me and politely asked what I was shooting. When I told him, his somewhat condescending response was along the lines of “I thought that cartridge fad hit the dust bin and nobody uses it anymore”.....

What gives? I shoot what I like and I don’t much care if some other wanker thinks it doesn’t measure up to some bizarre standard set in their own minds..... Oh well, I’ve never been much of a follower.

The .300 Win mag in it’s original form is a plenty fine cartridge and is a wonderful choice for anyone looking for a bit more snap than the really superb .30-06.




Can't put it any better than this Postman!
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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: 93x64mm]
      #327152 - 11/04/19 10:38 PM

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Lots of good cartridges “don’t get no respect”..... I was at the range maybe a month ago tinkering with a Sako .300WSM..... buddy came up to me and politely asked what I was shooting. When I told him, his somewhat condescending response was along the lines of “I thought that cartridge fad hit the dust bin and nobody uses it anymore”.....

What gives? I shoot what I like and I don’t much care if some other wanker thinks it doesn’t measure up to some bizarre standard set in their own minds..... Oh well, I’ve never been much of a follower.

The .300 Win mag in it’s original form is a plenty fine cartridge and is a wonderful choice for anyone looking for a bit more snap than the really superb .30-06.




Can't put it any better than this Postman!
Very well put - on all points!




Have reiterated those sentiments for years... IF you don't like the new, old or different cartridge, then DON'T use it..simple as that...

Its almost like some take it personal because you don't use/like their caliber of choice.. Who cares???

Hint, hint, I don't .. Neither should you...

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #327304 - 15/04/19 02:09 PM

The only 30 caliber magnum I’m interested in is the 300 Norma Magnum. Everything else is academic (except for the 300H&H that is).

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: wkudu]
      #327500 - 20/04/19 12:20 PM

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I'd like to see what you could get from a 300 win in a magnum action and throated for the long bullets. Would be spectacular, or more spectacular than it currently is.




300 PRC?

https://www.hornady.com/300prc#!/

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: AdamTayler]
      #327524 - 21/04/19 03:27 AM

Yes- that one is interesting, Adam.


https://i0.wp.com/gununiversity.com/wp-c...2C528&ssl=1

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #327532 - 21/04/19 10:36 AM

Except the PRC doesnt need a magnum action.

It's fantastic


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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: wkudu]
      #327536 - 21/04/19 11:54 AM

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Except the PRC doesnt need a magnum action.

It's fantastic




Exactly..

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: wkudu]
      #327628 - 24/04/19 02:32 AM

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Except the PRC doesnt need a magnum action.

It's fantastic




Which makes my wonder why Ruger did not offer it in their Precision rifle, and went with the 300 Win Mag instead. It takes an AI Mag, and AI makes mags that have either a 6.675 OAL or 3.750 OAL. https://accurate-mag.com/shop/magazines/long-action-dssf-magazines/ Will the one with a 3.750 OAL not fit for some reason? What am I missing?

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: AdamTayler]
      #327639 - 24/04/19 12:18 PM

Maybe because of who those guns are marketed to? I feel that most people who love the black AR/MSR and similar looking rifles are usually trying to look like some idealized military type badass. Hence, offer the calibers the military uses. The 300 PRC is too new and currently only the ELR crowd is using the PRC. The military will surely adopt it in time and then the private market will follow

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: wkudu]
      #327644 - 24/04/19 02:50 PM

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I feel that most people who love the black AR/MSR and similar looking rifles are usually trying to look like some idealized military type badass.




Love it.

I blame too much TV.

BTW the same sorts here in Aust are the ones always moaning they can't have their AR15s for shooting at target ranges here as well.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: NitroX]
      #327645 - 24/04/19 02:53 PM

As for the .300 Win Mag, if I had a .300 Mag I would go for a .300 H&H Magnum. All these new fangled cartridges are too modern for me ...


Otherwise a .308 Norma Mag or .300 Norma Magnum, though I know nothing about the later.

In the meantime I will make do with the 8x68S.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: NitroX]
      #327655 - 24/04/19 09:51 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I feel that most people who love the black AR/MSR and similar looking rifles are usually trying to look like some idealized military type badass.




Love it.

I blame too much TV.

BTW the same sorts here in Aust are the ones always moaning they can't have their AR15s for shooting at target ranges here as well.




Yep, I’ll put my hand up for whinging long and loud over the loose of military style autos in Australia. Shot many a target with an AR15 at Camp Perry and knew my way around an M14 too both on the range and in the paddock.

As to the 300 Win Mag. Bought my first one when I was 17. Shot a lot of game with that cartridge in Australia and NZ. Absolutely love it. Even used one to kill a few targets in Field Rifle comp. did all right to until the barrel heated up😂

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: wkudu]
      #327656 - 24/04/19 10:45 PM

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Maybe because of who those guns are marketed to? I feel that most people who love the black AR/MSR and similar looking rifles are usually trying to look like some idealized military type badass. Hence, offer the calibers the military uses. The 300 PRC is too new and currently only the ELR crowd is using the PRC. The military will surely adopt it in time and then the private market will follow




Agree with the above..the decision was probably based more so on sales numbers.. many more individuals already have 300 Win Mag dies, ammo etc, so more apt to purchase the 300Win vs the newer 300PRC..even though the PRC does offer some advantages..

The 300Win was my first true rifle I purchased once on my own.. great caliber..

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Rod4861]
      #327657 - 24/04/19 10:55 PM

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Quote:

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I feel that most people who love the black AR/MSR and similar looking rifles are usually trying to look like some idealized military type badass.




Love it.

I blame too much TV.

BTW the same sorts here in Aust are the ones always moaning they can't have their AR15s for shooting at target ranges here as well.




Yep, I’ll put my hand up for whinging long and loud over the loose of military style autos in Australia. Shot many a target with an AR15 at Camp Perry and knew my way around an M14 too both on the range and in the paddock.

As to the 300 Win Mag. Bought my first one when I was 17. Shot a lot of game with that cartridge in Australia and NZ. Absolutely love it. Even used one to kill a few targets in Field Rifle comp. did all right to until the barrel heated up😂

Rod




Well, I feel the ones who put down the AR-15 are usually the ones who have a government that
doesn't let you have them..so, in return they have to put those down that do..

OR they have little to no experience of them, have no idea how effective they are, or how they are as an equalizer should that need ever arise...

There was an news story just last week out of Texas I believe.. 5, yes count them, 5 intruders broke into an older man's home..he grabbed his assault weapon, cleared the house killing 2 or 3 of them, others are in the hospital.. it would appear the perps didn't think that one all the way through..

I don't need a AR, pretty sure I can kill most with my hands should I need to.. but, I CAN have one should I choose to.. BIG difference..

In today's world, with all the BS going on .. I sleep much better at night checking into a hotel with my family, having a AR pistol, rifle, whatever tucked away in my luggage..should some crazy f**k decide he is on a mission for allah..

Ripp

NEWS Stories on the "Evil" black rifle...
Pretty sure none of these individuals were looking to be "bad-ass"..


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/02/houston.../#axzz5m1ESFsuI

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article225914465.html



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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #327659 - 25/04/19 01:19 AM

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Well, I feel the ones who put down the AR-15 are usually the ones who have a government that
doesn't let you have them..so, in return they have to put those down that do..





OR as they are banned here pretty much for ever the only people who keep demanding them here are nutters. Or fantasists. ie here in Australia. In the USA maybe different.

I've decided in future when I run up again those sorts, in Australia, to ask them a simple question - "How or what political strategy are you going to use to have them legalisied again?"

The silence will be defeaning.

And really this isn't a forum for AR15 endless discussions. Double rifles, classic rifles, hunting etc. Good fun. Not lots of threads of how to kill human beings. The very reason I started these forums 17 years ago was because every forum I visited at the time, was "how to kill your attacker" type discussions.

The endless discussions of "I would like one, but I can't have one", well that's a fact and nothing is going to change it. I too would "like one". Never going to happen.

But I am opening a new AR15 type discussion elsewhere for an honest assessment and discussion. Based on some comments made by experienced military sorts over the years.

Please let this thread go back to discussions on the .300 mag. Much more interesting.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: NitroX]
      #327671 - 25/04/19 03:30 AM


https://gundigest.com/gear-ammo/300-win-mag-answer-hunting-questions

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #327681 - 25/04/19 05:09 AM

My first CF rifle was a Remington model 660 in 6.5 Rem. Mag.
Killed a whack of ground hogs with that one, Southern Ontario.
325 one summer. Doesn't sound like much now.

A week long gopher shoot just a little South of where I live now, is good for 1,500 to 2,000 of the field rats. Slightly different animal, though.

A .300 Win.Mag. or PRC might be a bit overkill.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: NitroX]
      #327687 - 25/04/19 07:48 AM

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Well, I feel the ones who put down the AR-15 are usually the ones who have a government that
doesn't let you have them..so, in return they have to put those down that do..





OR as they are banned here pretty much for ever the only people who keep demanding them here are nutters. Or fantasists. ie here in Australia. In the USA maybe different.

I've decided in future when I run up again those sorts, in Australia, to ask them a simple question - "How or what political strategy are you going to use to have them legalisied again?"

The silence will be defeaning.

And really this isn't a forum for AR15 endless discussions. Double rifles, classic rifles, hunting etc. Good fun. Not lots of threads of how to kill human beings. The very reason I started these forums 17 years ago was because every forum I visited at the time, was "how to kill your attacker" type discussions.

The endless discussions of "I would like one, but I can't have one", well that's a fact and nothing is going to change it. I too would "like one". Never going to happen.

But I am opening a new AR15 type discussion elsewhere for an honest assessment and discussion. Based on some comments made by experienced military sorts over the years.

Please let this thread go back to discussions on the .300 mag. Much more interesting.




Well at least your not trying to tell us that AR15 magazines and triggers fall out like you claim happens with Blaser R8's.

I'm out of here.....might even get the 300 Win Mag out of the safe for a shot. Just wish I could still get an AR out and shoot an IPSC or Service Match....

Damn went off track again. Oh yeah and to fill the silence for ya...ask yourself this. If a licensed shooter can't own an AR15 for use in International competitions like IPSC and Service rifle matches under the same legislation and conditions as they can a Handgun....then how long will we still own and shoot handguns?

And as for a strategy.

1. Be careful who you vote for.


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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Rod4861]
      #327699 - 25/04/19 06:09 PM

Quote:

...ask yourself this. If a licensed shooter can't own an AR15 for use in International competitions like IPSC and Service rifle matches under the same legislation and conditions as they can a Handgun....




Why the ffff are you asking ME that? I don't fffing set the laws.

Loads of hot air loud mouth sprouting off on gun forums doesn't achieve anything. Actually working for improvements in the outside world, in poliics, giving money for political movements, active in the media etc does.

Talking on gun forums to the converted is just another way of getting superficial satisfaction and achieving nothing.

Quote:

then how long will we still own and shoot handguns?




You tell me, you are such an expert on everything.

But no kiddig, the anits use the "death by a thousand cuts" to remove all sorts of freedoms. They've been after handguns for the last twenty years.

All we would need is a nutter going on a ramage with a "high capacity" ten shot magazine "semi-auto" 9mm and we would probably loose them all too.

The reasons we need to be smart and effective in our politics. Be pro-active and achieve gains. And not infight and have disunity.

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      #327700 - 25/04/19 06:39 PM

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And as for a strategy.

1. Be careful who you vote for.





Yes exactly. But was that a silly dig at me? I really do not like standing. I only do it because I am asked, and someone has to put their head above the parapet ...

As for voting being an "effective strategy", well if it is only 2% or less of people, achieves nothing.

Don't vote for clowns who put out BS unachieveable memes as simple sucker advertising. Who had one or two shooters in their line up of thirty five candidates.

And not vote for the Mark Latham Party.

And not vote for the major parties.

BUT most of all, put your hand in your pocket and contribute MONEY and if a person can not afford money, time and effort.

In the end votes only achieve so much, money is needed to finance campaigns. And the votes follow a smart campaign.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: NitroX]
      #327703 - 25/04/19 08:12 PM

Quote:

Quote:

...ask yourself this. If a licensed shooter can't own an AR15 for use in International competitions like IPSC and Service rifle matches under the same legislation and conditions as they can a Handgun....




Why the ffff are you asking ME that? I don't fffing set the laws.

Loads of hot air loud mouth sprouting off on gun forums doesn't achieve anything. Actually working for improvements in the outside world, in poliics, giving money for political movements, active in the media etc does.

Talking on gun forums to the converted is just another way of getting superficial satisfaction and achieving nothing.

Quote:

then how long will we still own and shoot handguns?




You tell me, you are such an expert on everything.

But no kiddig, the anits use the "death by a thousand cuts" to remove all sorts of freedoms. They've been after handguns for the last twenty years.

All we would need is a nutter going on a ramage with a "high capacity" ten shot magazine "semi-auto" 9mm and we would probably loose them all too.

The reasons we need to be smart and effective in our politics. Be pro-active and achieve gains. And not infight and have disunity.

{Edited this post to re-write it.}






John I think you opened the door for this type of response with what you said about those who want to own AR15's. Not all are mad wannabe's. To me Rod is asking you to think about where we are going and not to be dis-unified as you appear to be with your comments about AR15 owners.

Anyhow I know Rod and know he has done a lot over the years to fight for LAFO. I don't think he is having a go at you for standing for election. More saying to all to be careful who you vote for. Look at where their preferences are going.


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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Rule303]
      #327706 - 25/04/19 08:22 PM

Mate, back in the pre 1996 days, how many of these sorts of rifles did we actually see used hunting?

The answer is not many ie mostly just to be wannabe TV tactical badasses.

I took my SKK on one hunting trip for feral goats. Even with ground off FMJ ammo it was pretty useless. Perhaps with better projectiles it would have worked better, but way too expensive to shoot off 30 round mags of hunting cartridges. was good fun though.

John Howard pinched it off me. I bought a BLR in .308 Winchester, FAR FAR FAR more effective hunting rifle and FAR more effective cartridge.

One day the bastards will steal that one off me too ... I swore in 1996, never again. Probably too old now to hide in a damp bush hut filled with sheep shit ...

PS I do think having an AR15 type semi auto for IPSC type rifle competitions would be fun. I would consider doing that too if it was possible.

Just like I would own a 1911 .45 ACP type handgun as well if I could.



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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Rule303]
      #327707 - 25/04/19 08:23 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

...ask yourself this. If a licensed shooter can't own an AR15 for use in International competitions like IPSC and Service rifle matches under the same legislation and conditions as they can a Handgun....




Why the ffff are you asking ME that? I don't fffing set the laws.

Loads of hot air loud mouth sprouting off on gun forums doesn't achieve anything. Actually working for improvements in the outside world, in poliics, giving money for political movements, active in the media etc does.

Talking on gun forums to the converted is just another way of getting superficial satisfaction and achieving nothing.

Quote:

then how long will we still own and shoot handguns?




You tell me, you are such an expert on everything.

But no kiddig, the anits use the "death by a thousand cuts" to remove all sorts of freedoms. They've been after handguns for the last twenty years.

All we would need is a nutter going on a ramage with a "high capacity" ten shot magazine "semi-auto" 9mm and we would probably loose them all too.

The reasons we need to be smart and effective in our politics. Be pro-active and achieve gains. And not infight and have disunity.

{Edited this post to re-write it.}






John I think you opened the door for this type of response with what you said about those who want to own AR15's. Not all are mad wannabe's. To me Rod is asking you to think about where we are going and not to be dis-unified as you appear to be with your comments about AR15 owners.

Anyhow I know Rod and know he has done a lot over the years to fight for LAFO. I don't think he is having a go at you for standing for election. More saying to all to be careful who you vote for. Look at where their preferences are going.




Spot on Greg. And I had NO idea that NitroX had ever stood for election.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: NitroX]
      #327709 - 25/04/19 10:57 PM

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Please let this thread go back to discussions on the .300 mag. Much more interesting.






308 vs 30-06 vs 300 Win Mag: Which Cartridge Should You Be Hunting With?

https://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/308-vs...e-hunting-with/

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      #327723 - 26/04/19 03:21 AM

Fair enough Rod.

This argument is all an ado about nothing.

And RIPP, I will be hunting with a .30-06.

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      #327740 - 26/04/19 11:20 AM

Me too - 06 - ? - or maybe one of my 9.3 x62's. I just loaded up some old style 250gr. Barnes spitzers to test, or perhaps the .375/06IMP with 300gr. RN's, Interlocks and Interbonds.
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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: NitroX]
      #327745 - 26/04/19 06:42 PM

Quote:

Mate, back in the pre 1996 days, how many of these sorts of rifles did we actually see used hunting?

The answer is not many ie mostly just to be wannabe TV tactical badasses.

I took my SKK on one hunting trip for feral goats. Even with ground off FMJ ammo it was pretty useless. Perhaps with better projectiles it would have worked better, but way too expensive to shoot off 30 round mags of hunting cartridges. was good fun though.

John Howard pinched it off me. I bought a BLR in .308 Winchester, FAR FAR FAR more effective hunting rifle and FAR more effective cartridge.

One day the bastards will steal that one off me too ... I swore in 1996, never again. Probably too old now to hide in a damp bush hut filled with sheep shit ...

PS I do think having an AR15 type semi auto for IPSC type rifle competitions would be fun. I would consider doing that too if it was possible.

Just like I would own a 1911 .45 ACP type handgun as well if I could.






John I did a lot of hunting with a Valmet Hunter in 308, 2 mates with BAR's, my brother and another mate used Mini 14's, quite a few I knew ran AR15's in competitions. I did have an M1 carbine and found that to be almost useless the SKK was far better than an M1 carbine but only good for close work as the sights and group sizes were not for hunting. The downside was the Rambo types who gave most shooters a bad name. Yes I would like them back, but as you said, here in Australia I think it is a pipe dream.

As for hiding in a damp bush hut that makes two of us.


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      #327838 - 28/04/19 07:38 PM

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Except the PRC doesnt need a magnum action.

It's fantastic




Which makes my wonder why Ruger did not offer it in their Precision rifle, and went with the 300 Win Mag instead. It takes an AI Mag, and AI makes mags that have either a 6.675 OAL or 3.750 OAL. https://accurate-mag.com/shop/magazines/long-action-dssf-magazines/ Will the one with a 3.750 OAL not fit for some reason? What am I missing?




https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/ru...-6-5-prc/359979

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John I did a lot of hunting with a Valmet Hunter in 308, 2 mates with BAR's, my brother and another mate used Mini 14's, quite a few I knew ran AR15's in competitions. I did have an M1 carbine and found that to be almost useless the SKK was far better than an M1 carbine but only good for close work as the sights and group sizes were not for hunting. The downside was the Rambo types who gave most shooters a bad name. Yes I would like them back, but as you said, here in Australia I think it is a pipe dream.

As for hiding in a damp bush hut that makes two of us.




Of course I would have had a BAR instead of a BLR had it been possible. The BLR was second hand at the time after 1996 and reasonably priced so snapped it up.

The Valmet Hunter I liked from the reviews.

I believe the AR15 type rifle back then was well out of my price range. And not very common at all.

The SKK was dirt cheap. Every man and his dog and badass nutter was buying them at the time. Ammo was cheap too. Inevitable there would be moves to ban them in hindsight. Many old fogie shooters at the time warned about this back then too.

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #327846 - 29/04/19 12:38 AM

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Quote:

Quote:

Except the PRC doesnt need a magnum action.

It's fantastic




Which makes my wonder why Ruger did not offer it in their Precision rifle, and went with the 300 Win Mag instead. It takes an AI Mag, and AI makes mags that have either a 6.675 OAL or 3.750 OAL. https://accurate-mag.com/shop/magazines/long-action-dssf-magazines/ Will the one with a 3.750 OAL not fit for some reason? What am I missing?




https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/ru...-6-5-prc/359979




I just came on to post the same lol

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Re: In Praise of the .300 win. Mag. [Re: AdamTayler]
      #327850 - 29/04/19 03:32 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Except the PRC doesnt need a magnum action.

It's fantastic




Which makes my wonder why Ruger did not offer it in their Precision rifle, and went with the 300 Win Mag instead. It takes an AI Mag, and AI makes mags that have either a 6.675 OAL or 3.750 OAL. https://accurate-mag.com/shop/magazines/long-action-dssf-magazines/ Will the one with a 3.750 OAL not fit for some reason? What am I missing?




https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/ru...-6-5-prc/359979




I just came on to post the same lol




Pretty cool news actually.. for the LR crowd anyway... I think I will create a NEW post for this in RIFLES section.. as many will gloss this over on the one..

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