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luv2safari
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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #10234 - 27/02/04 05:49 AM

I'll be calling Steve at Gracy Travel today about my pending trip to RSA. I will ask him what he knows...

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: luv2safari]
      #10250 - 27/02/04 10:29 AM

Mike and L2S

You Yanks are probably OK. You get a higher luggage weight allowance than other nationalities.

If I remember right you get around 70 lbs which is roughly 30 kgs. The rest of us get 20 kgs which is about 50 lbs.

This was confirmed to me as I love to have useless, pointless and impossible to win arguments. I asked them if I was American would my luggage be overweight and they confirmed NO, but it didn't apply in my case and there was nothing they could do about it. "The payment office is over there >."

For some reason historically Americans flying internationally have always had different rules. Probably some early international airline agreement.

This may be a trade-off however for the terrible service you get (and all passengers) when flying on an American airline (That's a joke by the way, but sorry also true and I have flown on at least 30 different airlines from almost as many different countries ).

PS To salve any upset feelings, some national self-criticism. Australia USED to have the absolute worst service, airline attitudes in the world. Especially with regard to luggage. We had a 'duopoly" (ie a dual monopoly) two airline industry and they agreed on all prices, flight times etc so absolutely no competition. One was government owned too. They used to weigh ALL cabin bags and ALL bags had to be put in the little size measuring frames. Almost any weight over the max'm was charged for. All "competing" flights left with 5 minutes of each other then gaps of hours. Prices were very very high and a decade or more later the prices still haven't got back to where they were. I once wrote an economic thesis on the airline industry and its lack of competition, excessive airline safety concerns vs price and competition etc.

Now they are much better.

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: NitroX]
      #10256 - 27/02/04 11:15 AM

NitroX,

No harm in the truth, I agree with you the American airlines in my experience are desperately lacking as far as service goes. I fly at the very least once a month and many times much more often most of my flights are in the continental US but I still fly internationally enough until very recently to go through a passport a year worth of international stamps.

I find the English airlines the best in service and overall experience though oddly enough short of the British Airways Concord god rest her sole and Virgin airlines first class service Air Jamaica is one the nicest I have flown. I have not had the pleasure of an Aussie airline to date something I hope to remedy next year, and this will be my first trip on SAA though I suspect being an offshoot of a American liner it will fair no better.

I do feel much safer on an American flight though in terms of crash safety with the British liners being about equal anything other I have crash safety in the back of my mind.

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: NONE]
      #10260 - 27/02/04 11:55 AM

In reply to:

I do feel much safer on an American flight though in terms of crash safety with the British liners being about equal anything other I have crash safety in the back of my mind.






I "liked" Kenyan Airlines where a passenger and the staff let a kid play with the door handles on the emergency exit door trying to open it. This was at 30,000 feet by the way!

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I did like SAS (Scandanavian Airlines) for the pretty blonde hostesses and the warm buns they served

Malaysian and Thai Airlines for the pretty petite hostesses.

Cathay Pacific for the lovely Chinese ladies.


See I'm not hard to please .



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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: NitroX]
      #10268 - 27/02/04 01:08 PM

Warm buns? 98.6 F? Nice and round and firm? Huh,huh?

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: NitroX]
      #10318 - 28/02/04 08:30 AM

I was sent a e-mail to check out this forum that there were questions for me. So I joined.

I hope this helps.

A through ticket means your tickets has all your travel destinations in one ticket set
example ATL/JNB/VFA/JNB/ATL coupons 1 through 5 Is considered a set. You can have layovers to do your hunting.

If you have separate tickets for a flight, example you used miles for the ATL/JNB/ATL Then purchased your other flights on separate tickets, this is where they can charge you.
What you can do is call SAA or have your travel agent connect your flights together so at the airport they would give you a "set of tickets" when you check in at ATL/JFK
This information is from SAA airlines.

Your weight for luggage cannot exceed 70 lbs
It doesn't matter if you join the Voyager unless your are at a Platinum status

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: Kathi]
      #10322 - 28/02/04 10:38 AM

Kathi,

One's guns were once exempt from the 70 lb limit. Are they now counted in that limit?

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: luv2safari]
      #10323 - 28/02/04 10:58 AM

luv2safari-try emailing Kathi for a quicker response, then please post her reply here. Thanks.

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: luv2safari]
      #10335 - 28/02/04 01:39 PM

Guns in Australia at least have always been part of the 20 kg limit. They do allow a little "licence" in having two cases instead of the required one checked bag though (obviously as ammo and firearms have to be kept separate).

The USA of course may be different. Eg I have seen reference to two bags allowing to be checked as standard.



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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: luv2safari]
      #10340 - 28/02/04 02:05 PM




You are allowed 2 peices of luggage and your fire arms/gun case is one of them......thay do not weigh it


From their web site: http://www.flysaa.com/

LATEST INFORMATION ON BAGGAGE REQUIREMENTS

Please note that the maximum size and weight of any baggage article that can be processed as checked baggage is as follows:
Size: 450x720x900mm
Weight: 45 Kg
Any article large than the above must be processed through Cargo.

GENERAL

Applicable on the services of SA Airways, SA Express and SA Airlink.
N.B. This Baggage Policy for SA Express & SA Airlink is always subject to confirmation at the time of departure.

DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL-FREE BAGGAGE ALLOWANCE PERMITTED AS FOLLOWS:
Applicable on South African Airways, SA Express and SA Airlink
First Class - 40 kg (only when available)
Business Class - 30 kg
Economy Class - 20 kg
Infants : First, Business and Economy Class - 10 kg

CARD HOLDERS (South African Airways only)

Chief Executive - select extra 30 kg
Platinum - Extra 30 kg
Gold - Extra 20 kg
Silver - Extra 10 kg
Blue - 0 Extra

Exceptions:

* Between Accra / Abidjan / Addis Ababa / Dakar / Dar Es Salaam / Entebbe / Kigali / Kinshasa / **Lagos / Luanda /Lusaka/ Maputo / *Mumbai / Nairobi and South Africa/WDH via JNB
First Class - 40 Kg
Business Class - 40 Kg
Economy Class - 30 Kg
Infants: First, Business and Economy Class - 10 Kg.

*Denotes:
*When a journey begins in Mumbai - Normal baggage allowance applicable in both directions.
Infants: First, Business and Economy Class - 10 Kg.

**Denotes:
**Journey originating LOS for travel LOS to JNB OR LOS to HKG via JNB only (Not Applicable on SA1000, SA 7000 & SA8000 series).
First Class - 60 Kg
Business Class - 50 Kg
Economy Class - 40 Kg
Infants: First, Business and Economy Class - 10 Kg.

* Between Dubai and South Africa (SA Code-share Flights)
First Class - 50 Kg
Business Class - 40 Kg
Economy Class - 30 Kg
Infants: First, Business and Economy Class - 10 Kg.

* Between Comores and South Africa
Economy Class - 15 kg
Infants: First, Business and Economy Class - 7 Kg
(Also applicable for Cards Holders - No Exceptions).

N.B. Within Australia, baggage weighing more than 32 kg will not be accepted for carriage, unless the additional baggage weighing more than 32 kg is transported in a separate bag.

Please note that the maximum size and weight of any baggage article that can be processed as checked baggage is as follows:
Size: 450x720x900mm
Weight: 45 Kg
Any article larger than the above must be processed through Cargo.

For through journeys where the passenger travels partly in First / Business class and partly in Business / Economy class, the free baggage allowance for each portion of the trip shall be that applicable to the class of service for which the fare is paid.

Exception: A passenger paying a through First / Business class will be entitled to the baggage allowance for First / Business class even when accommodated in a lower class of service.

Involuntarily rerouted passengers will receive the free baggage allowance applicable to the class of service for which tickets were originally issued, even when such passenger are subsequently transferred to a different class of service.

INFANTS

10 kg of checked baggage permitted.

When an infant is carried in either a carry cot or carry seat, a baby holder including bedding, napkins, feeding bottles and sufficient food for the journey may be carried, free of charge, provided the total mass excluding the infant does not exceed 12 Kg.

When an infant is carried without the use of the aids as mentioned above, carriage is free of charge, provided the total mass, excluding the infant, does not exceed 10 Kg.


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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: Kathi]
      #10341 - 28/02/04 02:08 PM

Kathi

Welcome to the NE.com forums.

You are welcome here and especially in helping our North American based members with info for their travel arrangements.

I tried to interest some Aussie travel agents to setup a specialised African safari service but while they were good at what they did, so far unfortunately no deal.


PS You Yanks have a fantastic deal if you can put a gun case on a plane unweighed!



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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: NitroX]
      #10343 - 28/02/04 02:17 PM

Introducing The Premier Club Lounges to all travelers.


In conjunction with The Nelson Mandela Bay Tourism
Bureau and the Port Elizabeth Regional Chamber of Commerce and Industry we
are proud to introduce our unique
Premier Club Lounges to you.
All passengers are welcome regardless of choice of airline,
class of travel, or any Airline Frequent flyer program.
This "pay facility Lounge" is available to those who do not
have access to Airline First or Business class Lounges. The Premier Club.
There is also a nominal charge (aprox $19.00 U.S. ) for a one off visit should you want to enjoy the comfort of these Lounges prior to your Domestic or International flights.
The Lounges are situated in Johannesburg Domestic
and International Departure halls, Cape Town Domestic and International
Departures as well as Durban & Port Elizabeth Domestic Departures halls.
All Lounges offer the following facilities designed
for your comfort:
* Refreshments, Full Bar, Soft Drinks, Teas & Coffees, Light
Breakfasts & Snacks, Chips, Peanuts, Rusks & Biscuits
* Magazines & Daily Newspapers
* Internet, E-Mail, DSTV & Laptop plugs
* Reception Services - Public telephones & All flight
announcements
* Shower facilities - Hairdryers - Razor connection - Towels Shampoo &
Soap ( Except Port Elizabeth)
* Smoking Lounge
* Kiddies Corner & Baby Change, Paraplegic Toilets & Wheelchair
friendly access

The best of all - peace and quiet from the hectic departure halls

All Diners Credit card holders have the privilege of free access to The
Premier Clubs.

Any additional information contact

Kathi
kathi@wldtravel.com




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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: Kathi]
      #10685 - 03/03/04 12:53 AM

Is the Premier Club the same as Rennies?

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: Kathi]
      #10695 - 03/03/04 01:35 AM

Kathi,

My gun case ALWAYS gets weighed. I have had to do some last minute shuffling of contents too!

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: TerryBlauwkamp]
      #10699 - 03/03/04 02:09 AM

Rennies is the agency that owns it but the name of the locations in the airports that you need to go to is called The Premier Club.



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