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Does Jo'burg airport suck?
      #9963 - 24/02/04 11:09 AM

I was wondering from more recent travellors whether the Departures Hall at Johannesburg International Airport still has the "weigh-in" counter at the main entrance?

When there in September 2002 I was surprised to find at the main entrance a counter filled with goons whose only purpose is to weigh your bags and extort money out of travellors.

Your bags are weighed well before you ever get to an airline "service" counter and if you are over the limit you are sent to an airport payments office to pay for the excess baggage weight.

Everywhere else in the world I have been too the airline itself does the weighing and because a lot of airlines have a customer friendly service attitude they waive any fee if it is not too excessive. They understand repeat business and service, and that goodwill from the customer is important.

Fro example the Australian carrier QANTAS one of the best and certainly most safest airlines in the world didn't even bat an eye at my baggage weight and never mentioned it. They understood I was carrying an extra bag with a firearm and ammo, plus camera gear, binoculars etc. They also understood I would probably use them again.

Not so Jo'burg airport, they want to piss off their "customers" from the minute they walk in the door. By the way this was the SAME return flight as the flight over.

Does anyone know who actually gets this money? It wasn't the airline collecting it, who after all has to carry the luggage. It was the bloody airport. I can't remember them ever taking down the airline or ticket details, just writing out a slip for the weight to take to the payments office. Of course I did get a receipt.

The charge was US$230 by the way and as you can see I certainly do remember it. Not much about the airport except the ridiculous charge. If I could avoid flying out of Jo.burg airport again I would. Previously I was able to fly direct to and from Harare airport and never had these problems.

PS Had I been American the fee would have been nil as I would have had an increased luggage weight allowance.


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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: NitroX]
      #9965 - 24/02/04 11:50 AM

Wrong-o John, Mike Detorre and I got nailed last year by those thugs for several hundred bucks. I cursed SAA out when I got home about it too, they claim they will charge that if you do not have a straight through ticket. Their way of screwing you royal.

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: AspenHill]
      #9968 - 24/02/04 12:22 PM

Ann, what do you mean by a straight through ticket ??? I was just checking air fares a few days ago. Northworst (KLA) goes from Detroit to Amsterdam to Jo'burg. Do you mean you can avoid the fees if Northworst tickets your fare on through flights from there even if they are on SAA ?

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: NitroX]
      #9987 - 24/02/04 02:53 PM

Go to www.flysaa.com and check it out. It's all posted there. It really bites the big one!

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #9998 - 24/02/04 03:43 PM

They're a real pain in the ass about it, but if you join their voyager club you get an extra 10kgs of baggage weight free which helps a little.

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: shakari]
      #10005 - 24/02/04 07:21 PM

They give all that money to the PH.Thats is why the PH linger around the airport after his client left .

No just kidding...........I know it is a crock'o'shit and it feels unfair.Have no idea where the money is going.

I'm going to Zambia and Kenia in May and see if there is any changes.

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: shakari]
      #10010 - 24/02/04 11:25 PM

If someone just joined the club, and they have no miles credited yet, there is no extra allowance at the lowest level. It also looks like they reevaluate your level every year on Dec. 31st to see how many miles you flew that calander year. I won't be flying on SAA this year at all, so I'll have zero mile, hence no extra allowance for weight. It sucks!

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #10017 - 25/02/04 01:23 AM

Looks like you pay for the privelege to hunt in Africa one way or the other. I guess when I see "other charges may be incurred" will definitely hold another meaning for me.

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #10020 - 25/02/04 02:37 AM

OK the airport isn't that bad. I just hate the weigh in desk at the entrance.

Mike,

unfortunately SAA and QANTAS have a deal where you buy in Australia a QANTAS ticket and you may end up flying SAA or QANTAS depending on your luck or otherwsie.

SAA is OK and actually had back of seats TV monitors so you could choose your own movie. Being a movie nut I usually watch movies the whole there and back rather than sleep which is really stupid. SAA had a good system of starting the video on takeoff but not "broadcasting" it to the seats until they have finished their safety song and dance routine, then you get to watch the movie maybe 20 minutes into it. . You get to watch the beginning 8 hours later though if you are lucky.

They did try to hit me for excess baggage in Vic Falls (to Jo'burg) too but the PH was standing a few metres away and argued with the check in dude and convinced him not to charge anything.

It can be really hard to carry about 20 kg of stuff only (usually you can push it to 26-27 kgs for checked in luggage and get away with it) if you are carrying a rifle, ammo, bicoculars, SLR camera, long lens (my camera stuff porbably weights about 7 kgs alone), boots, gun case, rucksack etc. Especially if you carry too much stuff like me. I usually only finish packing around 4am the morning before the flight at 7 or 8 am. Really well organised too.

Next time I want to take a double plus the .375 so weight will be a real issue, the rifles, ammo and gun case will probably be around 14 kgs alone. I'll have to be like "BigFive" and wear only shorts to cut down on weight. But all those thorns. Ouch!

Another way to get to Africa is via Singapore or India if you want to add 10 (or more!) hours to the flight. I though definitely avoid Singapre, Hong Kong even Bangkok if you are travelling with firearms as I have heard too many nasty stories even if all the right documentation was organised.




A funny story.

I was flying back from Harare (QANTAS) in 1994 through Jo'burg (stop-off only to pickup more passengers) and we had this really 'gay' Australian steward ponching around in our area.

Lucked out on that flight as the other stewardess was a 'mother hen' clucking around. Oh for those beautiful graceful ladies of Malaysian, Thai or Cathay Pacific flights.

In Jo'burg the Aussie Rugby team got on board to fly home from playing in South Africa and there were a few sitting around us including one sitting right beside the 'gay' steward (for take off and landing and during 'rest' parts of the flight).

With the team on board the steward's voice dropped several octaves, and became quite deep, he stopped swinging his hips and his wrists straigthened up.

It was quite funny, but still not believable.



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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: NitroX]
      #10025 - 25/02/04 04:22 AM

Mike, funny you should say that about no extra baggage allowance until you rack up some miles..... the paperwork they have just sent me said you get it straight away, but maybe that's just for SA residents...... I'll try to find out more.......


for those of you travelling out of JIA and don't want to wait around the departure lounge you can go to the Premier Club Lounge. (turn right as you come out of passport control, walk to the end of the lounge, up the escelator and turn left) They charge a few dollars and have comfortable seats, showers, free snacks, tea coffee and booze.

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: ChuckWagon]
      #10026 - 25/02/04 05:44 AM

A through ticket means you don't stop and do any hunting in RSA before going to Zim and back. So next time I will have to fly straight to Zim and then hunt in RSA after.

STUPID

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: AspenHill]
      #10031 - 25/02/04 06:39 AM

So it's ok to have a International lay over in Jo'burg or will you fly directly into zim from Amsterdam or elsewhere ?

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: AspenHill]
      #10039 - 25/02/04 08:03 AM

What about layovers? My flight from JFK gets in too late to catch the flight to Windhoek that afternoon, so I have to overnight in Jo'burg.

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #10049 - 25/02/04 09:01 AM

The Jo'burg airport has small sleeping rooms within the airport for layover passengers that don't have to clear customs. I didn't find this out my first trip until 14 hours into my 15 hour layover.

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: luv2safari]
      #10064 - 25/02/04 09:55 AM

In reply to:

Jo'burg airport has small sleeping rooms within the airport for layover passengers that don't have to clear customs.




Aah, very useful information.

Thanks.



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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: luv2safari]
      #10069 - 25/02/04 10:06 AM

L2S, are they charging you for the room? If so, how much. I should think that it would be a nominal one at that.

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: shakari]
      #10072 - 25/02/04 10:13 AM

Steve

Thanks also for the info on the Premier lounge and also the club.

If the extra baggage allowance is possible that would be great. As SAA is a partner airline (I think) with QANTAS I wonder if a QANTAS club membership would work as well.

10 kgs is a good extra amount if one is carrying hunting gear.



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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: 475Guy]
      #10075 - 25/02/04 10:22 AM

The last time I was there they were about $27.00 US...beats sleeping in the lobby area!!

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: luv2safari]
      #10090 - 25/02/04 11:53 AM

I agree and it's cheap. For the hassle you go through, it should be free.

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: 475Guy]
      #10095 - 25/02/04 12:19 PM

That airport is the worst cluster f..k I have even seen. Welcome to majority rule...My next visit will take me to Capetown...how is it there???

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: luv2safari]
      #10101 - 25/02/04 01:52 PM

Pseudo-Socialism at work. NOT!!!!!

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: 475Guy]
      #10107 - 25/02/04 02:58 PM

That's the whole problem...not which race, or color...it is the everyone gets their bite attitude, and everyone is doing more than just nibbling there at the Jo'burg airport.

Avoid it if possible, but don't let it stop you from going to RSA! I love the country and people...and the hunting!

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: luv2safari]
      #10108 - 25/02/04 03:08 PM

Nitro, you'd be one of first guys that I'd let know.

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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: 475Guy]
      #10201 - 26/02/04 04:27 PM

Talking about airports, not Africa this time. In Melbourne I was flying back to Adelaide having flown over for the day to pick up three firearms from a gunsmith.

I had told the airline (QANTAS) I would have three firearms on the return flight when buying the tickets and also when flying over.

Coming back they sprung yet another little bureaucratic idiocy that now you have to contact or email a specif person and get permission in writing before flying with a firearm.

Any way they weren't too bad about and the girl at the counter made a phone call or spoke to her supervisor and away we went. By the way the gun case was over weight but agin no excess charges just an overweight sticker to let the baggage handlers know handling this bag may get them a free holiday with workcover if they play their cards right.

After everything was organised the service counter girl said to me she had always wanted to try shooting as a sport! So I chatted to her about it for a couple of minutes but there were lots of other passengers waiting.

With hindsight I regret not giving the girl a business card to contact me later if she really wanted to try. I probably couldn't invited her to a shoot as I'm not in Melbourne much but maybe a local could have.

I think we really need to take up people like this when they express and interest. Having friends to our sports all over the place can't hurt us. Imagine if this girl with a simple job on the service counter became a shooter. Every shooter who used her counter might just have a simpler 'ride' in the future, not to mention 'goodwill' effects of her sport on her co-workers.

If we all recruited just one shooter per year, it would have a very large multiplier effect overtime. Even if many never took up the sport, the goodwill factor would also be positive.



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Re: Does Jo'burg airport suck? [Re: AspenHill]
      #10229 - 27/02/04 03:31 AM

Ann, I'm still checking this out, but as I understand it, if the first leg of your flight originated in the U.S. we fall under the piece rate, vs. weight limit, and this is supposed to be for all legs of the trip, including the return flight. Do you know anything about this. Perhaps Kathi could help us out here. I'd be interested to know what she has to say.

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