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Kalunga
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Browning 1885 Low Wall
      #98349 - 05/03/08 01:51 AM

Does any member know if the Browning 1885 Low Wall could be converted to a 7x57 or even better a 9,3x62 or 9,3x74R ?
There is a like-new rifle on sale here and I always wanted to get a 1885 changed to a classic useful cartridge like the ones mentioned above. I am looking for a High Wall since some time but this Low wall looks nice and slim.
I would be very thankful for any advice.

Kalunga

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Re: Browning 1885 Low Wall [Re: Kalunga]
      #98352 - 05/03/08 02:03 AM

If I recall correctly, Browning chambered the 1885 Low Wall in 243 Win at one time. The 7x57 might be safe (I certainly don't know), but I think it is reasonable to advise against a heavy-bullet cartridge like a 9.3. JM Browning must have thought there was a practical limit to the capability of the low wall, or he wouldn't have also designed the high wall.

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Re: Browning 1885 Low Wall [Re: Tatume]
      #98363 - 05/03/08 04:02 AM

I can't say about the Japanese made Brownings, but original Winchester Low-Walls would probably not be strong enough for such calibers as the 9.3s you list.
If it were me, I'd use a High-Wall or a Ruger instead.

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Re: Browning 1885 Low Wall [Re: szihn]
      #98364 - 05/03/08 04:28 AM

If I recall correctly, the low wall was originally modified from the original high wall action to make it easier to load smaller cartridges, such as the .25-20 SS, the .32-20. and the .44-40. I once had one barrelled to a wildcat cartridge using the .222 rimmed case necked up to .25 caliber, with the idea of duplicating the performance of the .25-20 SS with lead bullets.

I found that if I used jacketed bullets and heavier loads, extraction became difficult, because the action would give somewhat and then spring back, forcing the obturated cartridge case deeper into the chamber. This was an original low wall, but if the Browning replicas are no stronger I would emphatically recommend against using the low wall for a larger modern cartridge.

I put the low wall in the same class as the Stevens 44 and the Ballard as far as strength is concerned.

My personal favorite inexpensive single shot is the Ruger No. 3, which unfortunately is getting more and more expensive. It would accomodate any of the cartridges mentioned with ease and has the added advantage of a rimless extractor.

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Kalunga
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Re: Browning 1885 Low Wall [Re: xausa]
      #98383 - 05/03/08 08:11 AM

Many thanks for Your advice, Gentlemen ! I think I will wait until I get a decent priced High Wall and stay on the safe side. Until then, my .416 Rigby will handle foxes and roe deer as usual without complaints.

Kalunga

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Re: Browning 1885 Low Wall [Re: Kalunga]
      #98390 - 05/03/08 10:17 AM

Why not just buy a decent used Ruger #1? Dave

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Kalunga
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Re: Browning 1885 Low Wall [Re: dnovo]
      #98414 - 05/03/08 03:43 PM

Dave, I like the Ruger No.1 very much, I had three already but the ones we can buy here are not of the same quality than the rifles You can buy in the US. I am convinced that the importer in Germany made a deal with Ruger and is buying the poorest quality guns with the poorest quality wood to sell them for a high price to the stupid Germans. My very first rifle was a Ruger No. 1-S in .338 WM which I had buyed in New York State, and I have never seen this level of quality again on a Ruger No.1 in Germany. I am regretting that I sold this rifle but the caliber is just too much "high speed" for my kind of hunting so I sold it for a very good price.
I like the Brownings because of the very good quality and the exposed hammer, much more safety while carrying around and then J.M.Browning was a genius in my opinion. It`s just a matter of personal preference, I think both are very good hunting rifles.

Kalunga

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Re: Browning 1885 Low Wall [Re: Kalunga]
      #98422 - 05/03/08 06:33 PM

Kalunga,

The Japanese Browning Low Wall was chambered for the .243 Win and the .260 Rem., so I would assume the action is strong enough for a 7x57, which is operating at lower pressure.
Pressures of 9.3x62 and 9.3x74R are even lower. But I agree, sticky actions and extraction may be an issue.
A good gunsmith should know what can be done.

Fuhrmann

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Re: Browning 1885 Low Wall [Re: Kalunga]
      #98436 - 06/03/08 01:12 AM

Kalunga,

Your observations about Ruger quality in Germany have cleared up a mystery for me. Some time ago I made the suggestion to a German contributor to Gunboard.de that he consider a Ruger No. 1 as a stalking rifle, and was stunned when he replied in emphatic terms that he would not contaminate his gun case with such a rifle. I wrote this off to Teutonic rudeness and the younger generation (most of the contributors appeared to be 30 or under on this site), but now I understand the reaction somewhat better.

I have always regarded No. 1 Rugers as an anomaly. The actions are well made, the stocks fairly well designed, the iron sights are atrocious, and the barrel quality unreliable. For a long time it was rumoured that Ruger used Douglas factory seconds in the No. 1 rifles. There were also issues with the bedding and getting one to shoot could be a real problem.

I have heard less about that recently, and everyone I talk to seems to regard the No. 1 as a good product.

I own about 20 original Winchester single shots, most rebarrelled in varmint calibers back when you could buy a usable rifle or action for $25.00. The exposed hammer is a plus, but I also have several Sharps Borschardts, a truly hammerless (as opposed to concealed hammer) single shot, and I really enjoy them as well. I guess you could say that I'm a falling block fanatic.

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Re: Browning 1885 Low Wall [Re: xausa]
      #98515 - 06/03/08 04:10 PM

Since I have a Browning Low-wall in .260, I checked it out and came to the conclusion that a 9.3 would not work, so you should find a high-wall.
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Re: Browning 1885 Low Wall [Re: Arctic]
      #98565 - 07/03/08 04:51 AM

Thanks again for all the good advice !

Kalunga

"Always stand still and shoot at whatever animal is threatening You most is what I have found to be the best plan." W.D.M.Bell

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Re: Browning 1885 Low Wall [Re: Kalunga]
      #99259 - 15/03/08 10:20 AM

http://www.gunsstore.com

The above gun auction site has 3 pages of High and Low Walls. Of course you would have the issue of importing the gun home.

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