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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #98914 - 10/03/08 11:22 PM

The world record for a ten-shot group at 1000 yards was 4.2 inches in 2003. What I find most remarkable about the accomplishment was that Kyle Brown set the record with a 6 mm BR rifle. Although made from a special parent case, the 6 mm BR has the appearance of a 308 Win shortened to 1.5 inches and necked down. The whole loaded cartridge would drop into a 50 BMG case and rattle around like loose change in a coffee can. Take care, Tom

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: Tatume]
      #98923 - 11/03/08 01:04 AM

Hoppdoc - those look surprisingly like rock chuck videos I've seen before. Anything but a match bullet lacks the accuracy to dispatch humans at long range - 1,000 yards and beyond. I would be mightly surprised to learn of an explosive bullet that possessed that accuracy- mighty surprised. There was no explosion on those rockchucks, just the animals hide not being able to contain the shockwave tht accompanies the bullet. My Swift did the same thing to gophers at 50 yards. It takes a .300 mag or larger to do that to a rockchuck. The hide is tougher.
: I do not believe those were human targets - looked like large rodents to me.

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #98924 - 11/03/08 01:29 AM

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You need to review the rounds the 50 sniper gun shoots--it shoots military rounds with exploding bullets.

To be convinced go to--( be prepared, real gory stuff)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZIJH4wvVng

Look closely, cause those are body parts you are seeing!!
I apologize if the video offends anyone--




That video has been around a while and was debunked a long time ago...that come from a video on long rock chuck shooting from Dogbegone.com. If you watch this excerpt you will even see the same mountain from the flick you link to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppx-kDb1xi4

What you see is Rock chucks exploding, not people...

I suppose under the right circumstances the Mk.211 Mod 0 round might explode in a person. They say it is not suppose to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raufoss_Mk_211

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8733668854193756605

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: DoubleD]
      #98947 - 11/03/08 01:56 PM

That's where I saw it too.
: I suspect a .50 wouldn't do it, but a high expolsive 20 mm. might. The trouble? with us, is the long limbs and small central torsal, compared to a rock chuck's thick middle and short legs. The do blow nicely.
; About what the .220 swift did to the gophers - nothing but chunks.

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: DarylS]
      #98960 - 11/03/08 10:10 PM

Read last evening--Barrett does indeed offer a 416 model---very impressive ballistics..

Ripp

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: Tatume]
      #99024 - 12/03/08 11:47 AM

The 50 BMG is an incredible cartridge and is safe at a rifle range. However, that puppy will travel 4.5 miles and land with over 6000 ft/lbs energy. Let's put this way: you never ever what one to "get away".

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #99327 - 16/03/08 06:24 AM

if you need a hunting bullet www.copperheadcustomswaging.com makes 50 bmg in lead tip.

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: rbt50]
      #99330 - 16/03/08 07:36 AM

For those interested in Military variations-

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/mg/50_ammo.html

and

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/50.htm

The XM1022 is a designated 50 BMG antipersonnel round--

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #100531 - 27/03/08 09:42 PM

in wyoming it is illegal to use FMJ bullets on big game and i'm not aware of any softpoints available for that cartridge. besides if you're shooting big game at 1000 yds. you're missing the fun of hunting and turning wild animals into nothing more than targets.

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: rscott]
      #100799 - 30/03/08 04:32 AM

Who says you can't have a 50 in a conventional bolt style??

Don't think I wanna shoot the lightweight version though--






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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #100800 - 30/03/08 05:05 AM

whats the eye relief on that scope?

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #100803 - 30/03/08 05:21 AM

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Most of the rifles come in at weights that exceed the legal maximum for hunting rifles here in Idaho {16 pounds}.....




Effectively banning the 50 BMG cartirdge was exactly the intent of Idaho's G&F when they imposed this restriction. I for one, agree with their appraoch.

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: rscott]
      #100810 - 30/03/08 06:31 AM

whats the eye relief on that scope?

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #100815 - 30/03/08 07:15 AM

Quote:

whats the eye relief on that scope?

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Maybe so, but the AR50 my buddy owns that I have shot some has a scope mounted similarly and the recoil is not much due to the soupcan on the spitting end.

Muzzle blast, however, simply swallows the shooter and is more than unpleasant. It is downright dangerous to anyone standing anywhere near the thing to the sides and back.

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #101177 - 02/04/08 08:33 AM

Quote:

You need to review the rounds the 50 sniper gun shoots--it shoots military rounds with exploding bullets.

To be convinced go to--( be prepared, real gory stuff)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZIJH4wvVng

Look closely, cause those are body parts you are seeing!!
I apologize if the video offends anyone--




If this is what I think it is, didn't bother looking, its been throughly discredited as being a 50 used on people. They are shooting rockchucks with a 6mm of some kind according to the guy that claimed to have made the video.
I can assure everyone here that a 50 BMG round will NOT blow people into chunks. I KNOW having searched several dead men shot with them back in my younger days. Shots to the abdomen with GI ball will simply pull a loop or 2 of intestine out the exit holes. The one that sticks in my mind took 2 about 4" apart, one right through the belt buckle, one cut the belt. The range was a hell of a lot less than 1000 more like 75. They don't go anywhere after being shot but they are not dismembered.

Dan


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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: bonanza]
      #101180 - 02/04/08 08:44 AM

Quote:

The 50 BMG is an incredible cartridge and is safe at a rifle range. However, that puppy will travel 4.5 miles and land with over 6000 ft/lbs energy. Let's put this way: you never ever what one to "get away".




I know at least some military ranges use elevation limiters on the barrel to prevent excess elevation when shooting the 50 BMGs. The military effective range of the cartridge is 2000 yards (tracer burnout point) as you point out it is "effective" far beyond this.
While this cartridge will likely kill anything on the planet at 1000 or even 2000 yards with proper shot placement I don't see the point.

Dan


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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: Dphariss]
      #101183 - 02/04/08 09:07 AM

About 30 or so years ago when I was transferred from Ohio to Pittsburgh the guy that moved me was from an outfit in Pittsburgh. When he saw my guns he took extra care with them and said would I like to hunt with him. He belonged to a club that he called the thousand yard club. The requirement was your shot had to be at least 1000yds or you paid a penalty. If memory serves he used a 300H&H. It's been a long time ago. He said he used an old military rangefinder on a tripod and set up on a powerline right of way and was usually successful. I never took him up on his offer.

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: zimhunter]
      #102226 - 11/04/08 09:45 PM

The 50 BMG is a great hunting round !!!!

"JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR HUNTING"

Sadly Carlos isn't with us anymore.

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #102236 - 11/04/08 11:08 PM

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #102274 - 12/04/08 08:58 AM

Disgusting if the Canadian government indeed holds this perverse PC attitude.

War is not for the faint hearted, but when you are committed to a war you must eradicate your enemy before he acts similarly toward you.It is disressing to troops to "sensitize" them when their mission is to kill the enemy efficiently.How can they believe their soldiers will act appropriately in war conditions??

IDIOTS!!

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #102998 - 20/04/08 04:06 PM

Quote:

Disgusting if the Canadian government indeed holds this perverse PC attitude.

War is not for the faint hearted, but when you are committed to a war you must eradicate your enemy before he acts similarly toward you.It is disressing to troops to "sensitize" them when their mission is to kill the enemy efficiently.How can they believe their soldiers will act appropriately in war conditions??

IDIOTS!!




When the "Wolves" are not around the sheep don't much like the sheepdog. But when the Wolf shows up then they want protected. If the "people" showing disrespect for their military had someone jabbing them in the a** with a bayonet they would be praying these same men would arrive and save their sorry butts. Some of the half-wits in the US are just as bad or worse.
Dan

Kipling put it this way:

TOMMY

I went into a public-'ouse, to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up and sez, we serve no red coats here
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an'Tommy that, an' Tommy go away,
But its Thank you, Mister Atkins, when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O its Thank you Mr Atkins, when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me.
They sent me to the gallery or round the music- 'alls,
But when it comes to fighting, Lord! They'll shove me in the stalls.
For its Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' Tommy wait outside,
But it's, Special train for Atkins, when the trooper's on the tide
the troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopships on the tide
O its Special train for Atkins, when the troopers on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap.
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business, then paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' Tommy, 'ows your soul?
But its Thin red line of heroes, when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's Thin red line of heroes, when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you.
An' if sometimes our conduct isn't all your fancy paints,
Why single men in barricks, don't grow into plaster saints.
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' Tommy, fall be'ind,
But its please to walk in front sir, when theres trouble in the wind.
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
Oh its please to walk in front sir, when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an'schools, an'fires an'all,
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face,
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' Chuck him out, the brute,
But its Saviour of 'is country, when the guns begin to shoot.
An' its Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please,
An Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool--- you bet that Tommy sees.

Rudyard Kipling


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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: Dphariss]
      #102999 - 20/04/08 05:20 PM

i had a 50 you want to hunt with one,you got balls at 35lbs or more you have to be a horse to carry it to shoot it you need a tripod.mine went through a scope after 14 rounds soundrd like a babby rattle after i took it off.you will get pass throighs on elehhants and buffalos.and trucks,theres a reason it was designed for antiaircraft round.i can shoot a box of 470's maybe 12-15 bmg's.ands its ugly plain and simple but nice to say yea i had one

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: bwananelson]
      #103000 - 20/04/08 05:47 PM

Have any of you been in war or trained for it ,i was a paratrooper for the 82nd.you kill or be killed after you have a buddy killed near you you dont care you want to kill then all let god sort them out.you are sent to war to produce a body count the more the better.like that scene in that move when he was asked how can you kill women and children simple you dont lead them as much.every one there is a psssable enemy,you think they wear uniforms.those wars are gone.the modern camo is plain clothes.we should be there just mowing people down that will settle thing down.hit them hard fast with a goal of a total submisssion.thats what war is about not this police bullshit.these are soldiers not cops.lets just overrun the country and take what we want we are hated either way.the next country will think twice before taking us on.

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: bwananelson]
      #103007 - 20/04/08 10:15 PM

Some thoughts for those who detest the military and their role in history--




It is the
VETERAN
, not the
preacher,
who has
given us freedom of religion.

It is
the
VETERAN , not the
reporter,
who has given us freedom of the press.

It is
the
VETERAN , not the
poet,
who has given us freedom of speech.

It is
the
VETERAN , not the
campus organizer,
who has given us freedom to assemble.

It is
the
VETERAN , not the
lawyer,
who has given us the right to a fair trial.


It is
the
VETERAN , not the
politician,
Who has given us the right to vote.

It
is the
VETERAN
who
salutes the Flag,

It is
the
veteran

who serves
under the Flag,



ETERNAL
REST GRANT THEM O LORD, AND LET PERPETUAL LIGHT SHINE UPON
THEM.


God
Bless them all!!!

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Re: 50 BMG, A HUNTING ROUND?? [Re: bwananelson]
      #103016 - 21/04/08 12:51 AM

I am in absolute agreement.

Same here.

Armed officers were tasked to follow a suspect the day after the latest London bombs.

He enters the tube system with a rucksack on.

"Stop him" is the order from some silly bitch of a female police commander " I dident tell them to shoot him" says she. What did she think that they would do, ask him politly to put up his hands.

He is dead and turns out he isent a bomber but an illlegal Brazillian immigrant.

Many, many, months later we are still ripping the arse out of this. Blaming the officers, suspending them, blaming the police.
What a crock of shit.

Bottom line is this.
If he hadent sneaked into our country illegaly he would still be alive.

If he had been a bomber, then those guys that shot him would have been heros.

We have gone so stupidly soft. How do you wipe out terrorists ?. Kill one, let them gather for one of those huge funerals that they have (we all see them on TV) and then lob a 1000lb smart bomb into the middle of them.
If you don't just get terrorists you get their supporters and the bitches that whelp them. Good riddence.
Destroy Al,jazera (spelling?) and all mouthpeices for terrorists.

You don't stop this nonsense by just getting the activists, you have to make the whole business so unpleasent for the populus that they will never support or assist them. Exactly what we did in Germany in 44-45.
Why is Germany peacefull and a democratic economic sucess. Because they learnt that any other course of action would bring retribution to terrible to contemplate. Same for Japan.

Pull all of our troops out, all our civilians out and burn Afganistan, Palastine, Iraq and Iran down to bedrock.

But then I'm a dinosaur.

Regards


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