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zr2paul
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Once Killed...what is done with the animal?
      #9820 - 22/02/04 01:55 PM

I'm only 25 but I'm really interested and very new to African Safari Hunting and hope to take part in one in my life time. However I have always wondered what is done with the Elephant, Lion, Cape Buffalo, Rhino, etc once it has been shot and killed? I have never heard of anyone eating such animals but I would assume the animal does not go to waste. Any info would be much appreciated!

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Paul

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: zr2paul]
      #9825 - 22/02/04 03:37 PM

Let me asure you that in Africa nothing, but nothing goes to waste! Depending on the area hunted, the game belongs to the landowner, conservancy inhabitants or local tribes. Some of the game is used in camp to feed the clients and staff, some is taken to the local butchery and sold in the stores just as we slaughter and sell beef, pork and chicken, while in some areas the members of the local tribes help themselves to the meat. When an elephant is shot, within a few hours every bit of meat is on its way back to the local village. The locals just show up and butcher it themselves. I once had a tracker in Namibia ask if he could have the stomach from a Gemsbok I had just killed. He considered it a delicacy. I hope this puts your mind at ease.

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: zr2paul]
      #9843 - 23/02/04 01:20 AM

Paul

On my safari we recovered a kudu cow from a poachers snare. It was quite smelly. The outfitter aimed to use it as bait but the trackers asked for it for themselves.

No waste in nyama (meat) hungry Africa.



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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: zr2paul]
      #9849 - 23/02/04 02:04 AM

I was almost postive the meat wouldn't go to waste. I just wanted to know for sure. I like the fact that locals and tribes get the meat or it's sold...a good way to bring money into their economy. I'm the type of person who likes to make sure as little of an animal is wasted. We butcher our own big game animals (Moose and Deer) because we enjoy it and because we make sure we get every bit of meat on the animal as possible.

Has anyone tried the meat of any African Big Game animal (Elephant, Lion, Rhino etc)? If so, was it any good?

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: zr2paul]
      #9850 - 23/02/04 02:20 AM

I've eaten a lot of African game meat, and to tell you the truth, I enjoy it greatly-more than our deer, moose, elk, etc. The only game I didn't particularly care for was Ostrich, (which I think may have been in the freezer too long), Waterbuck, and Croc (tasted too fishy for my taste). I enjoyed Elephant, Buffalo Tongue, and Leopard, but my favorites are Impala liver with onions for breakfast, Eland filet, Buffalo tail soup, and Nyala filet served Zulu style. For a special treat, I don't think you can beat a young Warthog that's been slow roasted all day on a spit over an open fire. MMMMMMM MMMMMMM GOOD!

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #9861 - 23/02/04 03:47 AM

Damn, Mike, you've just made me hungrier than hell. I guess I'll just have tear myself from my PC and go make breakfast now.

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #9881 - 23/02/04 07:53 AM

Ostrich is very good if fresh. It is great marinated and grilled. The flesh is nice and red just like steak for those who have never tried it. Gator or crock is ok but I have always needled it. Sometimes you can find a butcher with a needling machine. This pokes about a zillion holes in the flesh and tenderizes it.Cabelas carry's hand needlers which would work at home. I like it best spicy and fried but it also is great blackend. Croc bites !
Next time on your ostrich try 2 parts olive oil, 1 part best grade (Kikoman natural low sodium...Green lid ! ) soy sauce, Pinch of sea salt. A few turns fresh ground black pepper and a few cloves of crushed garlic. Blend it and marinate the steaks before you grill em. I usually start this with 1/2 cup olive oil, 1/4 cup soy.

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: ChuckWagon]
      #9883 - 23/02/04 08:09 AM

Eat flatdog...... have you seen what they eat! Hell I'd rather eat jackal .....actually when I think about it, I don't know a single PH that's worth his salt who does eat the damn things...... but of course, we see what's inside them.

Eland is my favourite, and following close behind is Buffalo tongue and/or tail. Anything in between those two parts is tough as hell and best used for lion bait

Rhino's OK is it's cooked correctly, but the most important thing with all game meat is it's preparation...... sadly most of the true wilderness areas don't have coldrooms so you end up eating the meat when it's very fresh and therefore a bit tough.

But I guess the answer to the original question is that pretty much no protein ever goes to waste in Africa..... the only part of most animals I've never seen used is the shadow.

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Edited by shakari (23/02/04 08:42 AM)

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: shakari]
      #9891 - 23/02/04 10:49 AM

Most of the Gator we see is american and not the same criter at all. But I bet they eat some nasties too ! Heck don't you know us yanks eat any thing ? In New Orleans they eat over sized rats ( nutria ) mmmm mmmmm mmmm

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: ChuckWagon]
      #9909 - 23/02/04 05:04 PM

Croc is darn good fair....

Not all meat is used in Africa, thats too idealistic to believe, it depends on where its killed and how much is killed..Some is given back to Africa, the Lions, jackels, hyenas and vultures have to eat too and they can clean a Buffalo in a heartbeat...get real an old 15 year old trophy bull is pretty much bait of waste...

It always amazes how this question is presumed, justified or just plain lied about and how many believe this...it is unrealistic to be that naive....

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: atkinson6]
      #9918 - 23/02/04 06:02 PM

I like croc too.

Ray

I guess your comments depend on location. I imagine more remote locations with few hungry local villages and well fed staff may be different.

In the places I hunted in Zim and perhaps South Africa all meat was used.



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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: ChuckWagon]
      #9919 - 23/02/04 06:07 PM

In reply to:

Next time on your ostrich try 2 parts olive oil, 1 part best grade (Kikoman natural low sodiunm...Green lid ! ) soy sauce, Pinch of sea salt. A few turns fresh ground black pepper and a few cloves of crushed garlic. Blend it and marinate the steaks before you grill em.



I'm going to try that with emu.

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: atkinson6]
      #9922 - 23/02/04 06:15 PM


Nothing but nothing goes to waste.
There is very little game in Southern Africa that I havent tried or tasted.Yes even baboon.My favourite is Impala and Kudu but to tell you the truth all of our antelope species are not to bad.I had elephant biltong about a month ago and it went down lovely.

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: Bigfive]
      #9935 - 24/02/04 12:09 AM

Hey 5, if you eat baboon, why not flatdog?

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: NitroX]
      #9936 - 24/02/04 12:34 AM

Nitrox, when you do try that same recipe with some portabella mushrooms. I marinate the shrooms for about 10 minutes. When you put them on the grill do not put the underside of them down on the grill. This will do two things. It will stop them fom coming apart and it will hold the marinade like a cup as they cook. If your grill needs to be good n hot. Grill them for 2 minutes then turn them 90 degrees to get a nice cross hatch grill mark. Another two mintes then flip them allowing the excess marinade to come out. I would NOT use the same marinade on the emu and the shrooms together as that would be just a bit much. The shrooms make a nice topping for a steak. When you bring them in slice them in strips and lay then on the plate or better yet right on top on a nice fillet

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: ChuckWagon]
      #9949 - 24/02/04 07:16 AM

Nitro,
The probelm in the remotest areas is the locals get a lot of meat in a short time and they make a lot of biltong, using gut lung meat the whole works, but after a while they lose interrest, get fat and lazy..the indigenous of Africa only live from one day to the next and after awhile it is very hard to get them to take the meat..then they starve a while before we return..Oh well!

As to the word "waste", I and others have a problem with that word, is an old bull carcass returned to Africa and her animals "waste", I think not as he will feed many of Africas animals, Lions and her cubs, hyenas and litter, jackles, wild dogs, vultures....for the information of some we are not the only living species on this planet..This is one of the great lessons in life that I learned from our Afrikaner brothers...

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: atkinson6]
      #9952 - 24/02/04 08:12 AM

As my dad used to say " even the worms gotta eat "

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: atkinson6]
      #9957 - 24/02/04 10:01 AM

Ray

True enough anything left behind feeds the vultures, jackals, hyanea etc.

Your comment regarding living from day to day.

I have an Australian friend who lived in Zimbabwe (or Rhodesia) during and aftert the Bush War. After the blacks took over government the government TV station ran a campaign and competition to find the best indigineous farmer and gave the yearly winner an award. They found a winner one year. Let's call him "Mr Mpofu". He had grown an outstanding subsistence crop of maize and whatever they grow. Enough to feed his family for at least two years if not longer. The ability to sell the excess, buy things he needed, perhaps more tools. He had worked very hard and diligently and even more worked smart and made use of his resources wisely.

The TV programme made a big show of how black farmers were just as good as white commercial farmers and how they could do the same. Industrious and productive.

The presenter of the show interviewed Mr Mpofu and congratulated him on his success and abilities. They crowed about the new age of black farming.

With the large crop from the current season they asked Mr Mpofu about his grand production plans for the following season.

"Oh No! I do not need to work next year. I have enough food for two years."

Oops.

The grand future of black subsistence farming in the "New" Zimbabwe.



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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: NitroX]
      #10007 - 24/02/04 07:34 PM

So bloody true,

Here in SA the goverment take land from white owners and pay them the market price for it.Then they give it to a "previously diadvantaged" community(blacks) with a load of cash and stock.then they become farmers.Then they screw it up and the white farmer buys his land back from the community(not the goverment)at half the price the goverment gave him and he is on his way again.So sometimes there is a littlebit of justice in the air.

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: Bigfive]
      #114784 - 19/09/08 01:34 AM

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So bloody true,

Here in SA the goverment take land from white owners and pay them the market price for it.Then they give it to a "previously diadvantaged" community(blacks) with a load of cash and stock.then they become farmers.Then they screw it up and the white farmer buys his land back from the community(not the goverment)at half the price the goverment gave him and he is on his way again.So sometimes there is a littlebit of justice in the air.



I wish You were right but I doubt. Since 2004, the situation has dramatically evolved. For what I know, the whites can't buy any land, let alone buy back their own properties.

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: Bigfive]
      #114785 - 19/09/08 01:35 AM

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So bloody true,

Here in SA the goverment take land from white owners and pay them the market price for it.Then they give it to a "previously diadvantaged" community(blacks) with a load of cash and stock.then they become farmers.Then they screw it up and the white farmer buys his land back from the community(not the goverment)at half the price the goverment gave him and he is on his way again.So sometimes there is a littlebit of justice in the air.



Dantri
I wish You were right but I doubt. Since 2004, the situation has dramatically evolved. For what I know, the whites can't buy any land, let alone buy back their own properties.

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: ChuckWagon]
      #114798 - 19/09/08 03:29 AM

Even before i started my hunt in Africa i was taken to a classy resturant in JoBerg and treated to Ostrich steaks.Man they were absolutely fantastic.Franklins are also good but guinea fowl i did not like.At another hotel we had eland steaks and they were also good.

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: iqbal]
      #114838 - 19/09/08 01:28 PM

I have eaten impala, kudu, cape buff, elephant, zebra, bushbuck, and my favorites giraffe, and wildebeast. My most favorite is guinea fowl.

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: iqbal]
      #114839 - 19/09/08 01:29 PM

The eland fillet is fantastic! I enjoyed inpala mince too. It was browned with spicy chutney, onions and peppers. I ate zebra and impala liver with the trackers. It was mild and quite delicious. The homemade sausage is good too. When the skinners are through there is nothing left of the gut pile but stomach contents. Nothing is wasted or discarded.

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Re: Once Killed...what is done with the animal? [Re: bigmaxx]
      #115199 - 23/09/08 06:28 AM

My wife likes peanut butter and Kudu sandwiches.

Cape Buffalo backstrap tastes like Africa.

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