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alaskan
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375 H&H vs. 9.3x62
      #97045 - 19/02/08 02:19 PM

I am going to have a gun made for my wife. She doesn't like alot of recoil. We like the gun to shoot heavier bullets (286 to 320 grains). With a 300 grain in the 375, I could down load it to 2350 or get a 9.3x62 with its 286 or 320 grain bullets at about the same speed. Any thoughts? Also, what is the availability of the 9.3x62 ammo in Africa? Is it as available as the 375 H&H? Thanks

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: alaskan]
      #97056 - 20/02/08 01:50 AM

I have owned and used my old SAKO .375 for many years and like it very much, but the 9.3x62 is a very fine cartridge and with top loads/bullets in each I don't think you would see much difference in performance in the field.

From a recoil standpoint, sounds like you are avoiding a muzzle brake. If you added a brake, either would be easy to shoot from a shoulder standpoint, not so easy from an ears standpoint. Without a brake, on the surface of it, the 9.3 might be attractive in regards to lighter recoil, but I am not so sure about that. You have to choose the rifle carefully. In general, I am guessing that 9.3's will be somewhat lighter {most I have handled were} than many .375's and that difference may make for tougher shooting from the 9.3, tho in theory it develops less recoil. A good example is some Husqvarna 9.3x62's that weigh in the 6.5 lb range. You would know the difference between those and a 10 lb .375 for sure. I had two 8x57 Husky's that developed felt recoil that was much more severe than that generated by my .375. Stock design had a lot to do with it, also. Anyway, I suspect that were those two guns rebarelled to x62 and shot with heavy loads, the recoil would have just plain nasty.

Both are great cartridges for all North American game. Recoil tolerance and just plain subjective "likes" might be the deciding factors for you.

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: 9.3x57]
      #97083 - 20/02/08 07:57 AM

what will be the game she is after.if it one of the big 5 will the 9.3x62 meet the minimum i think the 9,3x74 squeeks by but i am no expert on the minimum caliber needed.if its plains game why not go lighter with a premium bullet.look at connie brooks from barnes she may top out at 5'2" BUT SHE SHOOTS A 338 AND A 470 NE.A GOOD RECOIL PAD ,A MERCURY REDUCER,A BREAK,AND A GOOD SET OF EAR PLUGS.AND A STOCK THAT FITS HER.

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: bwananelson]
      #97115 - 20/02/08 05:06 PM

on european game you will not see much difference in performance - if any.......but on african game there will be seen a performance-plus with the .375īs (you will get a little more speed using the 300 grainers in the .375 over the 285-grainers used in the 9,3 (x62) - the momentum will be already greater using the .375 on heavy-constructed game like wildebeest/buffalo.....)

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: escard]
      #97141 - 21/02/08 12:11 AM

I shot a lot with the 9,3x62 and the 375 H&H Mag
My experience is that the 9,3 x 62 With 286 grs bullett is a litle bit quicker and felt harder than the 375 H&H Mag with 300 grs. The 375 is a litle bit slower but heavy comaparing with 9,3x62
I use maximum load in both calibers.

They are both excellent caliber for big game hunting on the northern hemisphere. I know that the 9,3x62 can kill a buffalo, and some states in Africa has the 9,3 as theyr minimum caliber.

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: escard]
      #97142 - 21/02/08 12:13 AM

I have been happy with my two light 9.3x62s with Woodleighs in 286 and 320grns, with the 300grn Swift A Frames a great big game soft.

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: ozhunter]
      #97156 - 21/02/08 03:28 AM

If you are going to "load down" you might look at the 35 Whelen or even the 338-06.
They are not as powerful as the 9.3, but they are not all that far behind.
Just a thought................

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: alaskan]
      #97210 - 21/02/08 03:00 PM

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I am going to have a gun made for my wife. She doesn't like alot of recoil. We like the gun to shoot heavier bullets (286 to 320 grains). With a 300 grain in the 375, I could down load it to 2350 or get a 9.3x62 with its 286 or 320 grain bullets at about the same speed. Any thoughts? Also, what is the availability of the 9.3x62 ammo in Africa? Is it as available as the 375 H&H? Thanks



Alaskan

I used my .375 H&H with 300 gr projectiles loaded to about 2350 fps in Zimbabwe and South Africa on cape buffalo and various plains game. It killed the cape buffalo just fine.

The reason for the load was with the powder I had this was where it was most accurate so I just used it like that.

I prefer the .375 myself and also it is legal in more countries with less chance of 'dispute'. A 9.3mm is often said to be legal but often fails to meet the actual criteria. Probably 98% not a problem but why get hit for a bribe if it is the 2%, unless you really want to get a 9.3x62.

If you do really want to get a 9.3x62 go for it. I don't have one but it is a great bolt action round and one everyone should have for medium game.

As for buying loaded ammo I always have used my own handloads. I remember seeing some ammo in a gunshop in Windhoek.

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: NitroX]
      #97211 - 21/02/08 03:41 PM

If recoil is a consideration, I think this is an easy answer. Go with the 9.3X62. I have two 62s and have owned four 375s (still own one) - my two favorite calibers. My Heym 62 weighs 8lbs ready to go and recoil is noticeably less than any of my 375s. My experience would indicate little difference in performance on game between the 286gr 9.3 and the 300gr 375.

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: Antlers]
      #97225 - 21/02/08 10:14 PM

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If recoil is a consideration, I think this is an easy answer. Go with the 9.3X62. I have two 62s and have owned four 375s (still own one) - my two favorite calibers. My Heym 62 weighs 8lbs ready to go and recoil is noticeably less than any of my 375s. My experience would indicate little difference in performance on game between the 286gr 9.3 and the 300gr 375.


; This was the late, Fin Aagard's findings as well.
: As to the 35 Whelen - with top-end loads with good powder, it is superior to many of the 'favourite' small-mediums in around .33 cal. 2,600fps with 250's and 2,300fps with 300's is pretty good stuff, if good bullets are used for the purpose. I suspect perhaps Woodleigh might have some good answers for the .358's. That Whelen pretty much matches the .350 Rigby magnum, doesn't it. Of course, the smaller the bore and higher the speeds, the requirement for better and better projectiles becomes more necessary. Today, there are good, premium quality projectiles in about every calibre.

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: DarylS]
      #97340 - 23/02/08 11:33 AM

Has anyone tried the woodleigh 320 grain bullets in their 9.3x62? If so, what kind of velocity did you get.

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: alaskan]
      #97915 - 29/02/08 05:03 AM

has anyone shot a 6.5lb 9.3x62? what's the recoil like?

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: gathumper]
      #97939 - 29/02/08 11:07 AM

got myself a custom 9.3 x 62 that would weigh bang on 7lbs and I dont have an issue with when 286gr are used.

Off the bench, after about 40 shots it can become a little tiresome

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: pablo_mauser_66]
      #97953 - 29/02/08 01:35 PM

No .320's but I've got some swaged 300gr. Horandy's loaded up for my 9.3x57, though.
: I got tired of waiting for a die from Lee that I'd have to modify, so made my own. It takes little more pressure on the press handle than normal FL sizing. It's all in the reduction ring inside the die - it's shape and finish.
; A .375 Throating reamer has the perfect angle for running up into a .222 RCBS FL die (top cut off) to produce a perfect swage. Mine reduce .375's to .367" in one pass and the bullets are perfectly straight. Had I cut it off a bit higher, they would have come out perfectly at .366". Since my rifle has a .370" groove diameter, I really don't care what size they are up to about .369" - they're still accurate.
: If like me, Woodleighs are about impossible to buy for you, swaging .375's is a good way to go. The 300gr. Interbonds swage just as easily. Trouble is, 300gr. is a bit heavy for the 57mm case - might get 2,000fps even - maybe.

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: alaskan]
      #97968 - 29/02/08 03:43 PM

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Has anyone tried the woodleigh 320 grain bullets in their 9.3x62? If so, what kind of velocity did you get.


Have used the Woodleigh solids in 320grn on one Buffalo ans Eland and found them great with straight line penetration even after going through brush.
MV was around 2220fps.
We did recover one solid which was found way down in the stomach in perfect condition. The rest zipped on through.


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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: ozhunter]
      #97972 - 29/02/08 05:31 PM

Now THAT is a lovely Eland.

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: DarylS]
      #98102 - 02/03/08 12:09 PM

Great Eland.

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: Bill_Cooley]
      #98109 - 02/03/08 12:50 PM

That really is a fabulous eland. In my opinion, they are the most beautiful 4-footed critter on God's green earth. I never shot one when over there, but I ate some. Taste as good as they look.

Great picture, too, by the way!!

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: 9.3x57]
      #98137 - 02/03/08 11:47 PM

Iv'e never shot one either, but Jaco and I sureley chased them from hell and back for a full 5 days last month

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: Bramble]
      #107736 - 20/06/08 05:51 AM

Ozhunter, precious Eland, big picture, I was delighted.

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: ovny]
      #107737 - 20/06/08 06:23 AM

I use my 9,3x62 for every and anything for 10 years now - my R93 weighs 2.8 kg ~ 6.2 pounds (without scope) and felt recoil on the range with 293gr RWS factory TUG's going ~ 2400 fps is stout - not so in the field.

Back in 06 I have shot a charging Cape buffalo with it - it took 1 286 gr Northfork FN and 2 300 gr Bridgers FN (along with 1 300gr Woodleigh from my PH's .375 H&H) - charge began from 13 paces and was over a couple of seconds later at 10 paces distance.



On that same trip I also took this eland - again with 300 gr Bridgers FN at 180 meters - eland made another 80 meters and died.

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Re: 375 H&H vs. 9.3x62 [Re: 93mouse]
      #107747 - 20/06/08 10:48 AM

Thanks for the great pictures guys.

Yes, I have tried Woodleigh 320 gr RN in my Simson 9.3X62. I got 2200 fps with 556 gr of AR 2208 (Varget). Accuracy is good & it is a very mild load. I am leaving it there as there is no need to increase it to 2300 fps. I found the point of impact at 100 meters was 8 inches lower than the Barnes TSX & Nosler 250 grs. It was 6 inches lower than the 286 Lapua megas.

One day I hope to own a 375 H&H in a nice old Mauser. But until then I will be confident with my 9.3X62 for any buffalo that I might hunt in Australia or Africa.

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